Talk:TV on the Radio
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Gerard Smith: Bass player for TV on the Radio, and one of the finest governors of Western Australia in the late 1800s. --Jeffauxier 01:01, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Avant-garde
to call their music 'avant-garde' might be a little exaggerated
- How so? Seems fair to me.LilDice 15:34, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
- I would similarly argue that that's a pretty fair description of their sound, excepting that 'avant-garde' somewhat implies limited appeal, which TV on the Radio certainly doesn't have. - Ennuified 18:42, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Visions in Sound Fan Link
Actually WP:EL certainly does apply, it's a fansite. It doesn't need to be listed here. LilDice 02:25, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm afraid I disagree. There is nowhere within that those guidelines that it is stated that Fan sites cannot be included. The only reason that I would not consider their inclusion is if they contained large amounts of advertising or were irrelevant. Neither of those are present in this case. The rational for the creation of WIKI - amongst a number of things was to allow people to gain more knowledge and a greater understanding of a particular topic. Because WIKI is part of an a larger interactive media - relevant, external links have always been part of its very fabric. fan sites have always been part - and indeed a very important part - of this network.
To exclude this one would require revision of nearly every "band" or singer inclusion in WIKI. For example the David bowie section contains links to 6 fan sites, The Rolling stones 4, etc, etc, etc. To remove these one on the basis that it is also a fan site would require a complete shift in thinking about what WIKI is and isn't.
However, your action have been responsible for a lively discussion although i would ask infuture when removing an item form WIKI that you follow guidlines and explain why. It would have prevent the wast of WIKIs servers that has occured. But anyway - have a good day :) --Wolfit 02:44, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
- With all due respect please observe the following: "Due to the rising profile of Wikipedia and the amount of extra traffic it can bring a site, there is a great temptation to use Wikipedia to advertise or promote links. This includes both commercial and non-commercial sites. You should avoid linking to a website that you own, maintain or represent, even if the guidelines otherwise imply that it should be linked. If the link is to a relevant and informative site that should otherwise be included, please consider mentioning it on the talk page and let neutral and independent Wikipedia editors decide whether to add it. This is in line with the conflict of interests guidelines.".
Also, #1 Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a Featured article.
That is why I am removing your link. Please do not readd it. Thanks. LilDice 04:59, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Then its lucky that I don't own the relevant link - nor the many others that you have deleted. It has to be said that the webmaster of the site concerned was concerned about deletion of her site form her. For various reasons she has found that their are certain sections of society that seem somewhat irritated about the success of what is a non all white alternative band. I have to say that your present action most certainly verges on vandalism and as such i will be chasing the matter up with a moderator.
We can sit here all day playing roll back on this article but that just seems silly. Especially form someone who earlier today made a post on the very website that they have just deleted. Very Odd.
I am not rewinding it again. lease leave it alone.
In addition qoute from the same as you:
What to link
There are several things which should be considered when adding an external link.
* Is it accessible to the reader? * Is it proper in the context of the article (useful, tasteful, informative, factual, etc.)? * Is it a functional link, and likely to continue being a functional link?
Each link should be considered on its merits, using the following guidelines. As the number of external links in an article grows longer, assessment should become stricter.
[edit] What should be linked
1. Articles about any organization, person, web site, or other entity should link to the official site if any. 2. An article about a book, a musical score, or some other media should link to a site hosting a copy of the work if none of the "Links normally to be avoided" criteria apply. 3. Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues, amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks) or other reasons. 4. Sites with other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article, such as reviews and interviews.
[edit] Links to be considered
1. For albums, movies, books, and other creative works, links to professional reviews. 2. A web directory category, when deemed appropriate by those contributing to the article, with preference to open directories. 3. Very large pages should be considered on a case-by-case basis. Worldwide, many use Wikipedia with a low-speed connection. Unusually large pages should be annotated as such.
If this is deleted again, I will file a complaint of vandalism. I will also look closely at copywrite factors conected with other matters. I have attempted to be civil - this has not worked it seems. --Wolfit 06:17, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
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- You're more than welcome to file a complaint of Vandalism. You can tell by my edit history I am no vandal. Yes I did make a post to your dead message board on the site, so what? As for the success of a non-white band? Obviously I am a fan of the band, so I don't need you accusing me of racism. The simple fact is you can't just make a half-cocked fansite then REQUIRE it to be linked from the wikipedia article. LilDice 15:34, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Very civil and an opjective comment LilDice
[edit] EL Mediation
Wolfit, I've saved you the trouble and created a mediation case for this dispute Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/12-31 TV on The Radio Irrelevant EL. LilDice 15:48, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Punkcasts
Since it was I who originally created the EL section on this page [1] I'm a little miffed to find my links to the punkcasts have been subsequently removed. I took some pains to document the band with video in their early days. I would hope that at least PUNKCAST#383 might be deemed worthy of inclusion - it's an interview where Dave, Tunde & Kyp discuss the band's formation and working methods. Wwwhatsup 08:03, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] External Links
Since nobody has objected I've re-instituted the Punkcasts. I've added player information as per WP:EL guidelines.
While I'm at it I've also checked, and added player and date info, for the other rich media links. The Roxwell 'artist commentary' is actually quite informative. The CBC goes to a nasty bit of Flash but it does work.
I also re-ordered the links. I've bumped up the myspace and fansite to the top, and made the rest chronological. The official site seems to be label oriented. The myspace, which thankfully seems to have escaped the deletionists, is the band. I think the fansite is a valid entry - it includes links to further interviews, video clips, etc. Spelling could be better :)
Dave did swear off his blog[[2]] after the Karen O bedroom demo affair, and it doesn't relate absolutely to the band, so I guess it's fair not to list that. Wwwhatsup 19:26, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Origin of name
I find it hard to believe the (unsourced) assertion that the band got their name from Tommy Vance. I think it's a pisstake? Any comments? Wwwhatsup 20:34, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
- I haven't seen the band say it anywhere, but I haven't read every interview either. I'll keep an eye out for it. I think it might be valid, but that's because I think I already had heard that before reading this entry. Ennuified 18:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Copyvio removed
The following paragraph, added to the article on August 25, 2006 by 89.172.170.115, is copied verbatim from Rolling Stone (see the link below). It would be nice if someone could re-word it and add the information back to the article without violating copyright.
Bowie had been following TV on the Radio since 2003, when Sitek sold Bowie's doorman a painting and passed along some of the band's recordings. After surprising the group with an adulatory phone call, Bowie kept in touch with the band members, advising them on everything from how to deal with record executives to what to do with "Dry Drunk Emperor," a Bush-bashing single that they recorded in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. (They released the track online, per Bowie's suggestion.) "They have a strong link with the great body of American poetry, especially Beat poetry," Bowie says. "The sampling, multitracking and mashing identifies them as the spawn of a techno-industrial society. I love the new record. I play it about three times a week, which is, like, saturation level for me."
http://www.tvontheradio.com/press/RS%2010%20artists%20to%20watch.jpg
Thanks. Tesseran 21:40, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Notes
What's up with the mashed layout on the notes? Wwwhatsup 01:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
