Talk:Type 23 frigate

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[edit] Vertical Launch Seawolf (VLS)

I think it is important to stress the vertical launch nature of the surface-to-air missile system---it should be referred to as "Vertical Launch Seawolf (VLS)". Although it is a variant (perhaps derivative is better term) of the (conventional) Seawolf missile system it is a rather significant variant that was designed for Type 23 frigates and first fitted on HMS Norfolk(F230). Obviously there are common components within the sytem but there also are enormous differences---don't try and fire a conventional (un-boosted) Seawolf missile from a VLS system. It may be that, if the missile system was an after-thought, conventional Seawolf couldn't easily by assimilated into the existing design?

In addition I believe "Seawolf" not "Sea Wolf" is correct. I think it was generally known as "VL Seawolf" by the development team and in the B.Ae. documentation of the time. However, I suppose with such a long history it is quite possible earlier conventional (non-VL) versions were known as "Sea Wolf" and it later on it became known as "VL Seawolf". It appears from a quick survey of some sources (i.e. Naval Technology websites, HMS Norfolk Commissioning Book, and contemporary B.Ae. blurb) that they mostly refer to it as "VL Seawolf", but you can always find the odd "Sea Wolf" thrown in. Unfortunately, the R.N. Type 23 web page consistently uses "Vertical Launch Sea Wolf". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ratuk (talk • contribs) 19:57, July 18, 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV

User:144.138.25.208 made a number of edits to the article yesterday, twice adding the phrase;

HMS Westminster,Northumberland and Richmond are presently the most advanced anti submarine frigates in the world.

I reverted this the first time and left a friendly message on User talk:144.138.25.208 asking them to consider the NPOV and directing them to the guidelines. The same user has now edited this article again under a similar IP User:144.138.25.150. I reverted a similar edit 3 times on the article Type 45 destroyer which changed a sentence from;

the Type 45 will be one of the most advanced and powerful class of air defence warships in the world.

to read;

the Type 45 will be the most advanced and powerful class of air defence warships in the world.

I therefore warned them that persistant edits not conforming to the NPOV may be considered vandalism. In my view, Wikipedia is not a place for personal opinions about whether or not a ship class is the most or one of the most advanced designs in the world. Without substantial support from primary sources, the former can never be justified. I do not wish to get caught up in a pointless revert war, therefore I have not reverrted the article again. That's not why I contribute to Wikipedia, but I would appreciate thoughts from other editors on the matter. Emoscopes ^Talk 12:12, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SEAWOLF ON TYPE 23

I don't believe the comments on relying on accompanying RFAs for VL Seawolf protection are correct. The early design studies I have seen (in Brown 'Rebuilding the RN' and Freedman 'British Destroyers') have VL Seawolf but no 4.5" gun, added to the design after the Falklands. There may be some confusion with some of the early designs which had more limited hanger and aircraft maintenance facilities, planning to use those on the accompanying RFAs accompanying. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.110.109.210 (talk • contribs) 09:34, March 2, 2007 (UTC)