Talk:Umayyad
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Hmmm! I think the images are a bit out of topic and I placed one myself. I'll handle this later, unless someone does something before. --zelidar 21:10, 2005 Apr 9 (UTC)
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[edit] in general
This could be a lot worse but it is filled with minor errors and has more Shi'ite pov than it should (eg the canard about 'Umayyah). The general layout is poor and I can see no reason for listing Banu Umayya companions and successors. Since when has the tribal affiliations of either been of any interest? I have made no changes. I am planting this here to see if I get any comments then in a few months I will start actual editing. Kleinecke 16:18, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Banu
well, al other tribes are called Banu x, so i thought i whould be better if it followed the same principle..hmmmm....
--Striver 14:07, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Map of the empire
I think it would benefit the article greatly. Ksenon 18:21, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] the fantastic four
This page mentions: four rightly guided Caliphs (Abu Bakr, Omar, Usman, Ali)
The History of Islam page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_islam) mentions: the regim of Caliphate of Muhammad's Companions (Abubakar,Umar,Usman and Ali).
I almost missed the similarity. Is one of these "translations" (who the four are, and their names) more often used?
The most conventional transliteration for these names would be: Abu-Bakr, 'Umar, 'Uthman and 'Ali. The hyphen in Abu-Bakr is optional. I am going to change the article to use these. Kleinecke 16:08, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Muawiya/Muwawiya/Muawiyah
Are all these names three different people or is the author of this really bad at proofreading?
- I'm no expert but I'm guessing that they are the same person. All three have the same pronounciation: Moo-wha-ee-yah
[edit] rename
{{rename|Banu Umayyah}} (striking old request, removes from category Patstuarttalk|edits 00:26, 26 December 2006 (UTC))
see Banu Quraish to see how all the other sub-clans are named. --Striver 17:50, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
No objections? --Striver 02:45, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Umayyad is more popular to the English reader. --Islamic 14:43, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, that is true. But that could be solved by having a redirect, so everyione does find its way here, and explain the etymology in a section of its own. Don't you agree that its better to name it after a tranlisteration, so it follows the precedens of the other tribes? --Striver 16:22, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
A redirect from one name to the other would be best. But which name is fundamental? I believe the importance of the Umayyads is as a dynasty rather than as a "tribe" (they were at best a family) and dynasties are not generally called Banu anything in English. So I say redirect Banu Umayyad to this article. Kleinecke 16:05, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] History of Iran
There is an entire list about the history of Iran in this article, and i don't see an special relation for that privilege. I have deleted it.
-Fco
[edit] expansion
Have expanded the history section, largely relying on G.R. Hawting, The first dynasty of Islam, 2nd ed. (London, 2000), and removed the expand tag. Comments and corrections most welcome!
I've concentrated mostly on political and military history; a section on culture is still a desideratum --Javits2000 18:18, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
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