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Contents 1 Archive Menu Added 2 Reversion for racial commentary 3 More racial garbage and sloppy editing in general 4 NPOV 5 Churches 6 External Links 7 Differences between UPCI churches

[edit] Archive Menu Added

I took the liberty of adding a nice little archive menu.

[edit] Reversion for racial commentary

A gentle reminder to those of you who may have concerns of race. Racial issues are legitimate, and may figure in to the history of an organization. However, if you cannot frame those concerns and issues in a way that does not sound neutral, or reasonable, you are in violation of the NPOV of the wikipedia. I for one, am well aware of some of the historical concerns of the UPCI, but those roots should not be phrased so as to give a newcomer to this page an immediately negative picture of the UPCI. The UPCI is an organization, like so many others, with a unique history, and record of many things both good and bad. Again, it is ok to include those historical interests in the wikipedia, and even on this page. BUT, you can't state them with such obviously biased language. I've reverted all changes from the 22nd of August onward. I am considering the previous racially biased changes to be vandalism, and I will act accordingly in the future. Firstdivider 03:56, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More racial garbage and sloppy editing in general

Two things: First please stop adding racial commentary to this page. References to Jim Crow are totally inappropriate. Second, I've noticed that many of the edits to this page are juvenile. In particular, the comment discussing the "evils of television" is probably inappropriate on any page in the wikipedia. Please think before you edit. Firstdivider 02:10, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

This article is little more than a church pamphlet. With the constant suppression of discussions of race and any controversies involving the UPCI, this violates the Wiki NPOV rule concerning religious bias. To characterize any deviation from the UPCI party line as "vandalism" is POV. I intend to flag it POV. Therefore 22:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll personally own up to the edits keeping some of the racial discussion from this page. The edits adding racial concerns to this page have been flagrantly bad. Much of the racial discussion was inserted randomly into the text, and was also badly written. I am well aware that the UPCI has had a checkered past when it comes to certain racial issues. Unfortunately, I don't have that information, nor a reliable source for it. If someone adds a thoughtful, sourced discussion of some of the past racial problems within the UPCI, I have no objection to that.

Remember that this page is open for anyone to see, and that the UPCI isn't some inanimate object. It is an organization filled with people who will be represented by this article. I believe that the wikipedia should seek to fairly recognize that organization with balanced discussion. To that end, inclusion of controversial or unflattering information is fine, but please check the quality of your writing, and make sure you identify opposing viewpoints.

I added a "Controversies within the UPCI" section to the page. Please discuss your opposing viewpoints in that section.

Thanks Firstdivider 22:09, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Churches

Please don't add your church to the UPCI page. Every religion has numerous places where people gather, but this article is not the place. Please keep your additions and discussions to the organization.

[edit] External Links

I am removing below External Links Except UPCI Website.

• PCminister Web-based training program authorized by UPCI
• Rick Ross page on UPCI
• Support group for those leaving the UPCI

Reason: I don't think those links are worthy to be placed. The Major reason is the Geniuiness of information Provided by these website. Specially the Rick Ross Page on UPCI. There is no reffrence record or Proof to most of the Document.

Links in External Section should provide geniuine sources and other points of reference related to the topic. But the above links Fail to see how these are usefell in educating people about the organization.

So please don't make an attempt to add those links again. It will be a waste of time for you. Pastor Linu

"So please don't make an attempt to add those links again. It will be a waste of time for you." You are implying that you'll engage in an edit war rather than abide by policy regarding whether these links will exist in the article? The fact that you don't agree with the content in these links has nothing to do with whether or not these links belong in the article. These links are added in order to add a balanced perspective to the article as the article s overwhelmingly reading like a tract rather than a Wiki article.-Psychohistorian 22:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Differences between UPCI churches

The problem I see with this site is that not all UPC churches hold to the same standards of Doctrine (not on Godhead). I have personally talked to many from within the UPC church and rarely do I get the same answers from each of them. The majority I've talked to claim that a person doesn't need to speak in tongues to be saved as this site proclaims. I been reading where a lot of UPCI churches are removing the "dress standards." I guess my concern is that is that not all members of the UPCI are being correctly represented.