Talk:University of New South Wales

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Contents 1 Group of Eight 2 A "Campus" section? 3 Major Edit 4 University logo 5 Copyright Violation 6 Motto translation 7 Name technicality 8 Clarity 9 Ten faculties to nine faculties

[edit] Group of Eight

In addition to the article's general faults (overly long, overly specific information), I find this section especially unclear. Could the "Group of Eight" be briefly summarized on this page so viewers unfamiliar with the term need not click on the link? Also, why is the Times Higher Ed Supplment ranking cited for a second time, especially since it's not the most recent version?

Rando, 129.170.90.193 07:31, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

That is the whole purpose of links. So as not to unnecessarily repeat information. Xtra 08:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

It's not actually that long if the plethora of lists were removed. Surely someone from the uni would be able to edit this to make it more of an article, rather then a simple catalogue of lists.Nebuchanezzar 12:03, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

i dont see anything wrong with that particular section, im assuming it has been fixed since then. banno kun 3 April 2006

The page is fine.

I don't think the group of eight section is necessary. Already mentioned and contains outdated and irrelevent information.

[edit] A "Campus" section?

Perhaps a Campus section would be useful, especially with the references to "lower campus" and "upper campus", which an unfamiliar reader would not understand? --Sumple (Talk) 00:47, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Added some stuff, but it needs to be worked on. Nebuchanezzar 13:20, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Major Edit

I plan on re-writing several key parts of this article with a much more in depth look at the actual campus of UNSW (as the comment above states), as well as a better structure. Any suggestions, or helpers? Nebuchanezzar 12:21, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I will certainly help! Witty lama 13:03, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Once the holidays begin, I will start on this effort. Check out My Sandbox for how things are progressing. Witty lama 08:55, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] University logo

The current image used in the university logo is somewhat inaccurate to what UNSW seems to use. https://my.unsw.edu.au/unsw/Logo.html has a nice set of logos which I feel would be better to use over the current one on this page. Any thoughts?Nebuchanezzar 12:46, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

We will have to get both the crest (which is already there) and the UNSW (in their special font) up. This will come under logo policy in this context. Witty lama 05:12, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Can we please ask the University for the crest in its raw format (i.e. SVG or Illustrator) so that we can do a better job scaling it ourselves? Our userbox Template:User_UNSW looks a bit blurry right now. --  Netsnipe  ^(Talk)  09:36, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

All of their logos are available at the above weblink. If what we need is not there then they are unlikely to give us a different version. We'll have to make do with what's available - which isn't bad if you ask me! Witty lama 11:31, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

So do any of you guys have suggestions on how improve our Userbox? A different colour scheme perhaps? Current and Previous. Cheers,  Netsnipe  ^(Talk)  13:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

On that note, I'm not sure that the current userbox, with the scaled down crest, is actually allowed. As far as I can tell, Fair Use images (such as logos) can ONLY be used on the page that is explicitly about that subject. Therefore we cannot use the crest to identify ourselves with the uni. This is why userboxes do not have the Acutal logo of companies but approximations of them. Can someone remove the crest from the userbox ASAP? Witty lama 13:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

We might need to seek clarification from the school office as https://my.unsw.edu.au/unsw/BrandGuidelines.html seems to endorse our use of the school's brand.

“

All forms of marketing and communications (e.g. printed or electronic collateral) which are produced by a UNSW employee, student, contractor or client must adopt the visual identity as per the Brand Guidelines. The only exception made will be for student produced items which are not approved by a UNSW office or department. Students however should be encouraged to utilise the new identity.

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--  Netsnipe  ^(Talk)  17:08, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

True enough, but I think that the copyright laws which pertain to WP supercede the above. We've uploaded their logo under the tag of "fair use". To use it in a userbox is in violation of that tag. If the uni gave us specific permission to use their logo then it would be ok. But this will not happen as I have personally talked to the marketing director of the uni and explained the image tagging system of WP to her - she was especially concerned about the misuse of the logo. I explained the constrrains of the fair use tag and she was happy with this. Witty lama 11:41, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright Violation

Guys, I'm pretty sure that the first and second sections of this article are a directo copyright violation. I haven't put up the notice yet, but I don't really think there's much choice in this case. The article is copied word for word out of a book, with no credit given. Nebuchanezzar 09:31, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

No worries, I am gradually re-writing both parts--Unswranger 02:22, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Motto translation

Hello all,

The article as it stands translates UNSW's 'motto' as: 'Knowledge by Hand and Mind'. In fact, the 'Knowledge' bit of this phrase ('Scientia') is part of a charge on the shield, not part of the motto proper. The motto is actually the shorter, 'Manu et Mente', 'By Hand and Mind'. This distinction is reinforced when one looks at the actual grant of arms, Argent on a Cross Gules a Lion passant guardant between four Mullets of eight points Or a Chief Sable charged with an open Book proper thereon the word SCIENTIA in letters also Sable which mentioned the 'Scientia' but actually omits reference to a scroll and motto. According to [1] the 'Manu et Mente' motto was adopted by the University when from its predecessor, the Sydney Technical College. I therefore think that the translation of the motto that appears in the article should be the shorter, 'By Hand and Mind'.--138.130.104.226 13:42, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Good point. 'Knowledge' shouldn't appear.210.23.145.230 03:11, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name technicality

Currently the article calls UNSW "the University of New South Wales", ie. suggesting that "the" is not in the University's actual name. However, section 5 of the University of New South Wales Act 1989 states:

The University is a body corporate under the name of the University of New South Wales.

Unless someone objects I think this should be adjusted - it's only minor but it was raised on the University of Sydney article. --ajdlinux 04:00, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

More specifically, the issue was raised here. --ajdlinux 04:01, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeh, I think it should be adjusted so that body text refers to the university's name with a "the". enochlau (talk) 04:32, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, if you look at the Act, it's ambiguous as to whether "the" is part of the name, because it's not in quotes and "the" is in lower case. However, if you go to the university home page, they include "the" as part of their name. enochlau (talk) 04:34, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, you're right - in the USyd Act "The" is capitalised. It's sorta ambiguous. --ajdlinux 02:44, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm adding the "the" in as according to a certificate on my wall, it's "THE UNIVERSITY OF NEW SOUTH WALES", which I think is enough proof. --ajdlinux 23:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clarity

The stabilising techniques of the 1980s provided a firm base for the energetic corporatism and campus enhancements

What exactly does this refer to? Needs clarifying.Osakadan 02:16, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Ah, it refers to synergistic delivery of stakeholder-orientated value-adding while maintaining core competencies. --Sumple (Talk) 05:10, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ten faculties to nine faculties

I wish to summarise my recent changes to the UNSW article. Firstly, as you may or may not know, UNSW has gone from having ten faculties to having nine faculties. And before you think about crying foul and saying "that's not true Just James, this webpage: About UNSW says you're wrong Just James", let me just say that the UNSW homepages have yet to be updated. How do I know that? My dad is the senior manager of Human Resourses at UNSW. He has been intimately involved in the merging of the Australian Graduate School of Management with the Faculty of Commerce and Economics to form the new Faculty of Business. So these are the changes I have made to Wikipedia:

• AGSM faculty has been deleted from the UNSW article.
• The Faculty of Commerce and Economics has been moved to the UNSW Faculty of Business.
• The UNSW Faculty of Business now provides a link to the AGSM article.
• The Faculty of Business section of the UNSW article now provides a link to the AGSM article.

If you are concerned that the removal of the AGSM section of the UNSW article has reduced the content of the article too much, you can provided a synopsis of the AGSM within the Faculty of Business section of the UNSW article. But there isn't any point to doing this because we don't do that for all the other schools within each faculty. Remember, the AGSM is now a school not a faculty.--Just James 00:10, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I have provided a summary of the merger within the Faculty of Business section.--Just James 00:25, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

For more information, please see what was written by other users on the Wikipedia articles for AGSM and the UNSW Faculty of Business.--Just James 00:37, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Aha!, please see the AGSM's external website, which states that "AGSM offers a full suite of MBA and Executive Programs and is part of the Faculty of Business at The University of New South Wales".--Just James 00:43, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

The Faculty of Business website states its full title as "Faculty of Business incorporating The Australian Graduate School of Management". Do I have enough evidence yet?--Just James 00:45, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Go ahead, it's probably the correct option. enochlau (talk) 01:50, 17 March 2007 (UTC)