Talk:Uranian
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Any connection with "Uranus"/"your anus"? Or is that an entirely irrelevant homo-nym? —Ashley Y 20:09, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, perhaps that's the reason it didn't stick! My question is: How could the term have "already gained currency" before Ulirch coined "urning", as the article states, if the Brits started using it "perhaps as early as the 1860s" and Ulrichs wrote "urning" in 1862 and published in 1864? ntennis 23:43, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- The origin seems to be Plato's Symposium, specifically the discussion of Aphrodite Ourania vs. Aphrodite Pandemos. Haiduc 04:22, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
- Here's what one website has to say: "[Ulrichs] coined the term 'Urning' (Uranian) for such a person. This was a reference to Uranian (Heavenly) Eros who governs principled male love, whereas the Pandernian (Vulgar) Eros governs heterosexual or purely licentious relations." (This, I think, is ironically the source of our modern dichotomy "Platonic" vs sexual love). Ulrichs himself acknowledged Plato's Symposium as his source. However, this article as it stands suggests that some folks in Britain arrived at the term "Uranian" (meaning homosexual?) prior to Ulrichs, but unfortunately this claim was not sourced by the anonymous editor who added it. I find it perplexing, because the phrase "perhaps as early as the 1860s" suggests that there is no direct evidence for the British use of the term until after the 1860s. Yet Ulrichs published the term "Urning", defined as male-male love, in 1864, and was using it even earlier. So I suggest that unless a source can be found that we credit the invention of the term back to Ulrichs. ntennis 13:27, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
- Not my specialty, no objection. Haiduc 17:50, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
- OK now done. I'm happy to be corrected should a source be found. ntennis 04:43, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Kaylor's claim (in the quotation that was added) seems to accept as obvious that Uranian was not an uncommon word in English in relation to Uranus and Uranian Aphrodite. It can be found as early as Shelley's "Milton's Spirit" (a fragment, first published in Rossetti's edition of the Complete Poetical Works of Percy Bysshe Shelley (1870):
I dreamed that Milton's spirit rose, and took
From life's green tree his Uranian lute;
And from his touch sweet thunder flowed, and shook
All human things built in contempt of man,--
And sanguine thrones and impious altars quaked,
Prisons and citadels ...
(Welland_R, 7:11, 23 December 2006)
[edit] Pronunciation
How is this pronounced?
Is it pronounced like earning? or oorning? (oo like in cool) or uhrning? --Josh W 03:50, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
It should be pronounced in exactly the same way it would for something relating to the planet Uranus: "Yuranian" (see OED). (Welland_R, 6:12, 24 December 2006)
