Talk:Urban decay
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[edit] Problems
Free trade causes urban decay? I have never heard this argument. If anyone can find any sources which can back up such an assertion, make it known. Until then, it's gone. Seriously, though, this article requires major work. I do not consider myself qualified to re-write it, but at the very least I think I could figure out how to best reorganize the section-breakdown of the article. If you have any suggestions, please post them. -Max
I would say that the aesthetic side of the issue should be addressed, some individuals find the decay to be exciting and beautiful, as opposed to an unsightly blemish -ratc
[edit] expansion
Okay i reckon the european bit is as big as it should be - we need more american stuff - br The stuff about french cities is very useful - it is true that generally speaking in the vast majority of european cities it is the suburbs and not the historical cores that have deacayed (esp in france and italy) although the UK is quite different. Writing and actually managing to source this wont be easy though. Thoughts? - br This has been up for expansion for ages now. Any ideas anyone? Seems to do the job... some pictures maybe? -br
[edit] france
Hi there, I am French... I feel it is right to mention the French problem.
However I also feel it falls into other considerations : unlike (I guess) US or other more "liberal" countries, those suburbs are part of the French welfare system, and enjoy benefits that I guess do not exist to the same extent in the US : those projects are usually controlled by State organisations, and intended to bring housing to poor families. That means rents are close to nothing, families get the welfare money (if you have no job revenues, it will allow you to survive, but not more), and enjoy REAL FREE medical care and FREE education like anybody in France, including higher education (almost free university, around US$ 800 a year). State hospitals provides patients with the best care in France and everybody really gets the same service. However, there are usually fewer physicians in those neighboorhoods. Regarding education, state school within those neighborhoods suffer from the same problems as the US : unmotivated teachers usually doing their best to "famous" schools, no control on the kids, and sometimes school violence.
Some kind of free investment areas and incentives have also been created to attract some level of trade and business in few of those places, without much positive results.
In other words, though high level of welfare and subsidies that you get in France, it has been "easy" to create what is called "urban decay" here.
So I feel it would be interesting to compare U.S. and other countries situation, how "urban decay" has been created, in which environment, solutions found, etc...
Hello 'french person'! I wouldnt agree - Urban Decay of surburban estates replaced inner city slums in both the UK and France, its certainly not caused by the fact these people have decent social welfare, if they did'nt they'd just be even worse off. The cause is simply a concentration of poverty in one place - like the projects in the inner cities of America. The only proven solution so far has been mixed developments with affodable rented next to and within private sector - germany, the netherlands and the Uk lead on this, its a very european solution though. - Err this may be beyond you and me, such a detailed analysis of course and effect would require a really well well resarched and academically sourced study. - br
OK, true... "French person"
[edit] misc
1st sentence 'and frogs legs'?!?! - grafitee, changed
[edit] Break down by county
It seems like it would be appropriate for this article to be broken down into sections by county, US/UK/Cananda/other EU countries etc.--167.80.244.204 17:02, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Links to add?
futurebird 00:53, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Gentrification is a "remedy"? What gentrified drug was that author smoking? All it does it push poor people somewhere else so they can "decay" another area. Hulme is filtering into Moss Side and Rusholme. East Londoners are being pushed East by The City and South/West by the impending 2012 Olympics.
A lot of the remedy section and some of the overview seem fairly partisan on the issue, even if the author expresses ideas I agree with. The wholly negative look at freeways for their effect on urban areas is maybe harder to defended a neutral point-of-view, but it's still a little slanted to look at projects taken under the banner of urban renewal perpetrated by the federal government and Robert Moses types as wholly negative in their impact to urban areas. Also, the whole stuff about gentrification and new urbanism being the solution... that could come out of Kunsler's books, and he certainly has his critics. At least qualify that a little.
I forgot how to log on to wikipedia, and don't really use it much, so someone else can fix all this.
68.209.119.35 15:28, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
