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Contents 1 User:UserBox 2 Judo is "controversial" and/or "divisive"?!? 3 Next Test 4 Precedents 5 User:UBX 6 Userbox directories looking for a home 7 Petition to stop the Userbox Migration

[edit] User:UserBox

Has anyone seen this page? I think we need to implement a solution. you take a look at User talk:Scepia where hate has been generated over "ownership" of content that no one has ownership of. Can we move all of them to UserBox's userspace? It puts them in the User Name space, and no one has ownership. Can we do something like this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mckaysalisbury (talk • contribs).

No and no. We've talked about this before, and the answer is no. The idea was to decentraize this, and nobody owns anything. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 22:39, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm not sure, but I think you misunderstood. User:UserBox makes for a nice place to store stuff, that emphasizes lack of ownership. I referenced User talk:Scepia, because on that page, he has been flamed with people who think that he is "stealing" ownership. Scepia has moved userboxes to his space, as per wikipedia policy, and it has generated a lot of ill feelings. I think something should be done, and I think the User:UserBox solution does that. It isn't decentralized, and I can see how that might be a disadvantage, but I'm not sure. Can you point me to where this discussion occured about no decentralization? McKay 20:30, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

See #The user "UserBox". -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 21:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

See User:UBX for another version of this approach that was created by an admin with a bot. Rfrisbie 16:27, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

• UBX subpages Rfrisbie 17:18, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:Userboxes/Sports: Examples of userfied UBX boxes in Wikipedia space directory. Rfrisbie 17:27, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Judo is "controversial" and/or "divisive"?!?

"All controversial and divisive userboxes, including those currently in Wikipedia:Userboxes will be migrated out of template space into userspace or an appropriate subpage, such as a corresponding WikiProject."

Scratching me head here guys... what's so disturbing about Judo? --Mal 18:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Just because it doesn't fall under T1 doesn't mean it belongs in templatespace. A TFD would most likely result in a userfy decision. Some people might see it as unencyclopedic. Although, being good at Judo could provide some first-hand encyclopedic knowledge. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 23:33, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to reply RG. A pretty obvious reason really, now that I rememmber all the hassle regarding userboxes while back. I was just momentarily bedazzled and confuddled when I went to look for the explaination - it was scant, and the creator of the template (me) wasn't informed of the change. As a matter of fact, it came on the tail of my nice wee animated GIF, that I had uploaded for the userbox, having been deleted. I was about to investigate, then I noticed the box itself had gone soon after! Boy I could've crushed a grape that day, I can tell ya!

Anyway, what I did find irritating was the lack of edit history after the move .. thus I can't find the history (or name of) the animated Gif which had been deleted, to find out why it had been deleted. I had wondered if I included a source reference when I uploaded the image. If you're an admin, and you've got a spare five mins, I'd be mightily grateful if you could investigate for me. In any case, cheers. :) --Mal 20:09, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Next Test

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:MiraLuka/Userboxes/User onemanonewoman is at MFD. The userfied box is {{User:UBX/onemanonewoman}}. The difference between this and other times that userfied boxes have been up for deletion is that this one has several recommendations of delete! I also think that the deletion of this box would basically be a rejection of TGS/GUS/UBM and all the work that has been done here. The rejection of UBM is basically calling for the Userbox Wars to restart. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 18:44, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, closed as keep (it must have been per WP:SNOW). Only three days were given though, so we might want to watch WP:DRV for the next couple days just in case. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 23:31, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Precedents

I've stated a page with all the TFD/MFD/DRV decisions involving userfied userboxes that I can find/remember at User:Royalguard11/userboxes/precedents. If anyone finds anything, or if I've missed anything, feel free to add to it. I know that there are a few TFD cases that had results of defer to MFD, but I can't remember months/days. This should make it easier to refer to past decisions and precedents, and it will make them easier to find. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 23:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm thinking hard, but I'm not sure if I can recall any additional. I'll check my contributions, maybe I'll find something. You're doing a real good job Roayalguard, serious props :D Edit: Before I forget it, I recall some deletion nominations for userboxes at TfD, but all of them got closed (default keep) since they were faulty nominations and the nominators pointed to MfD. CharonX/talk 03:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:UBX

Am I the only one who finds it curious that MetsBot (talk • contribs) and DyceBot (talk • contribs) are busily migrating userboxes to UBX (talk • contribs) (current listing)? Is this just flying under the radar? Is it because Metsbot's daddy is Mets501 (talk • contribs), an admin? Maybe I just missed the memo. This certainly looks like a missed opportunity for a rousing round of wikidrama. Could someone clue me in? I'm so out of touch, I might as well herd my herd over to UBX and retire from the boxen wrangling business. ;-) Rfrisbie 16:17, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm, odd. No idea either. Still, as long as no admin takes er... rash actions against that user, I approve. In any case, I'll use a wait-and-see approach before I do anything. CharonX/talk 21:36, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I've also been wondering about that, and have assumed Mets was unaware that this was tried before. I'm keeping my fingers crossed and hoping nothing happens. —Ashley Y 07:39, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't really care as long as nothings get mass deleted. Mets is a BAG member and an admin, so I trust that he knows what he's doing. I think I'll keep my userbox archvie for the moment though. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 21:28, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

As usual, there seems to be one set of rules for admins and something else for the rest of us. I really am ready to migrate out all of the boxes at User:Rfrisbie/Userbox and all of the directories at User:Rfrisbie/Userboxes. Any takers? Rfrisbie 22:35, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Mets is really good to work with and his bot is pretty efficient. You could contact him directly. --NThurston 22:50, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll probably give it a go. Rfrisbie 22:58, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks NThurston :-). Anyway, Rfrisbie, I would recommend against moving all the userboxes out of your userspace and updating transclusions, as that would require thousands and thousands of edits, but if you really think it's necessary then I would do it (you should also read User:UBX first so you are clear on the use of that user domain). —METS501 (talk) 23:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Mets501, I'll take you up on the offer, reluctant as it may be, to migrate the boxes at User:Rfrisbie/Userbox. Rfrisbie 02:13, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Mets501! All of these boxes (plus many others) now can be found at User:UBX. :-) Rfrisbie 21:26, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Of course admins get to do things the rest of us don't. Look at the mess surrounding List of Internet phenomena for more examples. I'm about to give up on Wikipedia permanently because admins can get away with stuff that gets regular users blocked. -- Jay Maynard 22:51, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Whoa! Hold it a minute with the harsh words for admins. :-) This has erupted in mass confusion and controversy, while all I have been trying to do is satisfy all parties. Please forgive me for the confusion, which I think many of you are caught up in. I have explained what User:UBX is for fully on the user page (User:UBX). Thanks again. —METS501 (talk) 23:38, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Userbox directories looking for a home

I have decided the time is ripe for me to divest myself from hosting userboxes and userbox directories. If anyone would like to host User:Rfrisbie/Userboxes and its accompanying subpages, please let me know. Rfrisbie 02:17, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd happily host them at User:UBX, if you want, but I think fixing the transclusions would just been tons of extra unnecessary edits, unless you are using your m:right to vanish or something of that sort. —METS501 (talk) 02:20, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Feel free to make the moves. Fixing tons of transclusions is up to you. I can only assume it would be far easier for a bot to do such things than how I did it. I'm not claiming a right to vanish, just the right to divest myself of the userboxes and directories. Rfrisbie 02:31, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

So you don't mind if userboxes which already transclude your subpages continue to (or really, they'd be transcluding a redirect)? I will start the moves in a couple of days. —METS501 (talk) 03:28, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't quite follow the question, so here's what I prefer. All userboxes and directories will be moved from User:Rfrisbie. All redirects at User:Rfrisbie created by these moves will be bypassed. All subsequently empty redirects at User:Rfrisbie will be deleted. I believe this is the general process you have followed with the userbox migrations you have made to date. Whatever timetable works for you is fine with me. Thanks. Rfrisbie 03:42, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, it's 16,679 edits though, so it will take a LONG time, assuming you're still sure you want it done :-). —METS501 (talk) 14:24, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I know. They didn't walk over there on their own. >;-o) Since time is an illusion, I'm in no hurry. Thanks again. :-) Rfrisbie 15:47, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry you feel the need to get out Rfrisbie. I know that you did just a ton of work with this from WP:TGS. You definitely have all our thanks for that. Good luck in the future though! -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 21:15, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. The main reason I got into this little activity was I felt too many users were being mistreated by too many admins. This uneasy truce seems to have held well enough. The addition of admins like yourself and Mets501 willing to champion and protect boxes is a good sign. The common sense addition of a proxy user site is the golden opportunity I've been looking for to bequith my legacy and move on. This place is just too darn annoying to stick around forever. Rfrisbie 00:23, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Ah, the good old times... well, they were not good... Anyway, take a good breater mate, it really helps to clean one's mind (did the same a while ago) - but don't think you can escape the lure of wikipedia - sooner or later you'll be back :D Still, in the meantime, enjoy your break. We'll (well, mainly Royalguard and the rest of the crew, me being the usual lazy git I am) hold the fort. CharonX/talk 04:38, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, my "wikibreak" is a bit of a busman's holiday. I'm still playing by the continuation rule and trying to tie up as many loose ends as I can. But for me, the load has lightened considerably. I didn't say I quite or retired, but I will be a bit more picky on how I get involved. I definitely won't get involved in any more epics like this one. :-) Rfrisbie 15:43, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Mets501! All of these directories now can be found at User:UBX/Userboxes. :-) Rfrisbie 21:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Petition to stop the Userbox Migration

Does anyone else disagree with the userbox migration? I find it very unnecessary seeing as putting {{User ....}} is easier than {{User:User/lala/lala/Userbox}}. This is just a stupid idea. -23_PatPeter*∞ 02:13, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Please don't. We've been over this a million times before. Get over it, it's not going to change. Just because some people disagree with this, it's not going to stop. You don't like it? Many other people don't either. Want to protest? Then be one of the userbox purists that refuses to use userfied boxes and be over it. You are not going to change anything by basically spitting in our hard working faces. -Royalguard11(Talk·Review Me!) 02:26, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I know this is a tough area, but please, Royalguard, try to stay civil. By just mentioning the fact of typing, I don't think that this user fully understands why the migration is taking place. —METS501 (talk) 02:44, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Then the solution to that is obvious. Don't complain unless you know the story behind it first. -Royalguard11(Talk·Review Me!) 03:45, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I wonder if I would be considered to "know the story behind it".... That aside, I think the "solution" is to not bite the newbies. Oh and by the way: Wikipedia:Consensus can change - so saying that no discussion is allowed because it's "been discussed before" is simply inaccurate, to say the least. Note, nowhere in these comments am I commenting on the current, and recent actions of userfication, merely on the questionable civility and wikiquette I've been witnessing. - jc37 11:01, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I apologize then if I've been too harsh. I've just goten a little sick of everyone coming here going "oh, this sucks, it's inconvenient, ect". Although people are allowed to express their opinions, this isn't the complaints department. This isn't the place for everyone to come and yell at us or tell us what we've worked hard on is stupid. If you want to change consensus, then ask others at a more prominent place. WP:VP is a good place to start, telling us we're stupid is not. I'm not sure if anyone knows the "full story" behind this anymore (I don't even know the full extent of it, but I know quite a bit of it). But it does help if you know the basics of why (reading the page is a good start). When someone comes here and says "I think we should propose an end to the userbox standoff" then that's a good place to start. "This is just a stupid idea" isn't. -Royalguard11(Talk·Review Me!) 02:18, 9 March 2007 (UTC)