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Comments	No references. Renata 17:56, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

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Vilnius
Location in Lithuania and Europe
Coordinates : 52°31′07″N, 13°24′30″E	Time zone : UTC+1/SummerUTC+2
Coat of arms	Grand Coat of arms
Basic information
Area	402  km² City
Population	553,904 (2005)
	???? Urban Area
Density	????/km²
Elevation	??34 - 115 m
Government
Country	Lithuania
Subdivisions	21 Subdivisions
Mayor	Artūras Zuokas
Governing Parties	Liberal and Centre Union
Website	www.vilnius.lt

Contents 1 Further article development 2 Images which will be used 3 List of good info sites 4 Question: Vilnius vs Vilnius city municipality 5 Historical Names

[edit] Further article development

It is time to improve this article. M.K. 23:03, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

For progress and active participation see Wikipedia:WikiProject Lithuania/General sandbox (talk also)

I suppose the content ouline could be something like this:

• History → already there, just maybe shortern & refine, add citations.
• Geography and climate
• Demographics
• Law and goverment → explain municipality, sister cities, institutions of central gov located in Vilnius, etc.
• Economy and infrastructure
  • Economy
  • Transportation (public, rails, airports, streets, highways)
  • Media
  • Health
  • Utilities (optional)
• Education
• Culture
  • Parks and museums
  • Architecture and arts → include art festivals
  • Religion
  • Tourism and sites of interest
  • Nightlife
  • Sport
• Footnotes, references, see also, etc.

Objections? I used Boston, Belgrade and Vancouver for inspiration. Renata 23:40, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, Media? V. Tower; LRT other stations what else? BTW, I think we need an image of Vilnius in infobox as Paris, Berlin M.K. 10:16, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Check the articles on featured cities at WP:FA#Geography and places and see what they have that is missing here.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  19:25, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

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I made some sort of pattern for further development of the article. M.K. 13:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Looking better already :) Am having some sort of weird writer's block that will hopefully go away soon. When it does, would like to separate religion into sub-sections: Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Orthodox, Islamic, and other - there must be Buddhists and pagans too. Religious tolerance is a strong point of the city so IMO deserves extra treatment. Novickas 14:48, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I hope you will recover soon. Some Šližikai could help or šimtas gramų :) Btw, good suggestion to split religion into separate sections. M.K. 16:19, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't know about the Šližikai, they might make her sleep, the šimtas gramų might be better. Dr. Dan 18:10, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Dose calibration has been performed by Lithuanian relatives, with the determination that 50 grams makes the Lithuanian language flow more freely, 100 grams induces nesamone. No analagous data with regard to English-language production. Novickas 18:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Lol, I must have spent too much time in the East under communism, because 50 grams would only "prime the pump". Dr. Dan 19:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Renata, is this infobox, which is present in article, can have additional images? M.K. 16:28, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Not at the moment. It's easy to fix, just that where to put the map and COA? You know, to avoid image clutter. Renata 18:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Just made some sketch much info needed also some more lined to. M.K. 23:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

No, no, no :) It mixes two different things: municipality with Vilnius. Vilnius as such has no political power. Zuokas is mayor of municipality, not Vilnius. Vilnius also has no area defined: only municipality. I guess I need to write a nice section on the whole city/city municipality mess... Renata 02:51, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes yes it is just a sketch :) I had to fill lines with something to avoid empty spaces, plus I was never good in municipality affairs. M.K. 10:00, 13 December 2006 (UTC)P.S. some numbers are wrong in infobox too.

The new infobox is very nice, I'd like to see it in the article ASAP.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  22:05, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images which will be used

	for infobox?		Synagogue

they seem not as good as other alternatives, especially in the terms of colour reproduction (see Vilnius Old Town, Šnipiškės, Antakalnis, Žirmūnai etc.) Iulius 10:57, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

yup, your images are the best, please produce more! M.K. 12:36, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

so there they are Iulius 12:53, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Superb castle hill shot!!!!! BTW, do you participating in miestai.net? M.K. 12:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

No. More than that :D Iulius 13:12, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

So this means your are one of masterminds of miestai.net :) M.K. 18:31, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

No I am not related to it in any way.Iulius 18:54, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

A, I see. M.K. 17:31, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

The image of downtown Vilnius at [1] would IMO be a good candidate for infobox, except that it's low-res. Maybe someone could try to reproduce that shot? Novickas 18:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

We have winter now in Vilnius, besides it is raining... Having in mind the impressive focal length such image requires, the task seems too impossible. Iulius 10:06, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of good info sites

A list of sites for this article (Novickas 17:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC))

• Lots of great stuff

Yup M.K. 17:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

• http://www.inyourpocket.com/lithuania/vilnius/en/ Could the In Your Pocket guide go into External links? I don't have any affiliation, just found the guide very useful and it's also free to access on the web. Seaweasel

[edit] Question: Vilnius vs Vilnius city municipality

This comes up so often... And it needs to be addressed now. For a long time I have insisted that city and city municipality articles would be two different things. However, I start doubting it's usefulness because of the confusion and the fact that in reality those two are not that different. I don't really know how to properly explain the difference... So, what do ya think? Should Abc city municipality simply redirect to Abc? LT Wikipedia did just that. Renata 10:10, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with this proposal, at least with regard to Vilnius; if the only difference between the two is the town of Grigiškės, population 11,000 (about 2% of the total), and "a few rural areas", this discrepancy could be noted in the Geography section. Novickas 17:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I really do not know that is better in this situation. I also thinking, maybe we need some sort of General sandbox in WP:LITH, there we can discuss and have a article sketch instead experimenting on real article? The same general sandbox we can use for other articles when big contributor team is involved. M.K. 17:31, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Sandbox sounds like a good idea. But don't know enough about them to create it. Novickas 17:55, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

My problem with it, is that it's too close to the lead. The importance of Vilnius being the historical and present capital of Lithuania is paramount. Its other functions can be explained in detail, lower down in the article. Or if it's not too much trouble to do so, in seperate articles. In any case, it's much better now than it was previously. Dr. Dan 18:03, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Lithuania/General sandbox our experiments with this article should go here. M.K. 18:31, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Historical Names

Shouldn't the historical names of the city be in the article itself?--Hhielscher 01:40, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

They should. It's a masterpiece of propaganda to use the historical name Wilno as a Polish name for Vilnius, introduced only in 1920. Xx236 14:21, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree, but it was discussed in the archives and several users who are activly maintaining the article find names in other languages apparently offending.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  20:14, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

This issue seems to have stabilized in the Kaunas entry, shall we copy that? Novickas 22:58, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

That's perfectly acceptable - see also WP:NCGN which supports such solution.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  00:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I believe that any historical article should inform about the changes of the names or institutions, because it's a part of history. I have added the Latin name of the Vilnius University. The name Vilnius didn't dominate during hundreds years, so the article misinforms. The history of Wrocław by Davies and Moorhouse includes many names of the city, how can the truth be offending? Xx236 07:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Another good example is Lviv: the article exhibits, besides the current Ukrainian name, its historical names in German, Polish and Russian, Tsf 13:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Those Polish editors insisting upon this "academic necessity" can lead the lead the way by adding all the non-Polish toponyms to Polish cities and towns on English WP. Dr. Dan 13:55, 11 March 2007 (UTC)