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Contents 1 Cyfarthfa High School 2 Warning user 3 Calvert High School (Tiffin, Ohio) 4 UK BOINC Team deletion 5 drv 6 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=TL_Osborn 7 Irish Hill 8 Automated message to bot owners 9 Blunger 10 Deletion review 11 Viadeo and Viaduc 12 My RfA 13 mayor picture 14 Digital Classicist 15 Award 16 Evil Laugh AfD review 17 Ted Allbeury 18 Melaque 19 Sparks Mexico material 20 D vs ProD 21 Michael Pollino page deletion 22 Veronica Yurach Artist 23 Survey Invitation 24 Question 25 Your RfB 26 Don't leave 27 Could you possibly take a quick look? 28 AfD Review of EGullet 29 Stuart R. Ross/Smurfs 30 Stuart R. Ross/Smurfs/Link 31 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Template User:Blade Runner 32 Stuart R. Ross/Smurfs/User Page 33 Stuart R. Ross/Smurfs/User Page 34 User Calton 35 Reply 36 County library cooperatives 37 Re:Albert Pujols 38 AfD/6°Bacon 38.1 Twelve angry editors 39 Hitachi Foundation article 40 NGOSS page 41 Copyvio deletion

[edit] Cyfarthfa High School

Hi, sorry but the lead para is a straight lift from the source I gave, the motto is lifted from the website etc TerriersFan 17:10, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

• Generally we just prune out copyvio stuff, unless the whole article is a copyvio, which didn't seem to be the case here. --W.marsh 17:11, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
  • I agree but there will be nothing left - the whole lead para has to go, the History paras are from [here with just the lines combined etc - better to start again. TerriersFan 17:15, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and deleted it. --W.marsh 17:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. TerriersFan 19:51, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Warning user

Please do not remove {{hangon}} tags, as you did at Raditz. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Power level (Dragon Ball) 19:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

• Uh it's not considered vandalism. the hangon template is only for objecting to speedy deletions and has no place on the article in question. The article is at AfD now so you need to comment there if you want to avoid deletion of the article. It is considered rude to use template messages to "warn" established users, especially when you're using those messages incorrectly. --W.marsh 19:41, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Calvert High School (Tiffin, Ohio)

Hi there, just curious, but what defines "asserts importance"? Honest question - what part of Calvert High School (Tiffin, Ohio) asserts the importance of the article? Just wanted to know so I know what to look for when marking things for speedy delete. Thanks. -Seinfreak37 20:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

• The state championships, if nothing else. Schools are not included in WP:CSD criteria A7 though in the first place. --W.marsh 20:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

• Ok, so schools are a special case, it appears. Thanks for the clarification, wasn't sure if a school was considered a "group." So even if a school article is created that does not assert importance, it doesn't qualify for A7? -Seinfreak37 20:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

• Not really... although you might ask at WP:SCHOOLS. In the past, deleting schools even at AfD has been controversial, though that has been relaxed a bit. But still, speedy deletion doesn't generally apply, unless it meets another criteria (like being a copyvio or attack page). --W.marsh 20:39, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks for the comments. I appreciate your not smacking my hand, I'm trying to help keep things relatively clean whenever I can and I'm not trying to overstep any bounds. Cheers. -Seinfreak37 20:41, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] UK BOINC Team deletion

Hi,

I entered my first WIKI entry, entitled "UK BOINC Team", which you've deleted citing something such as "it is an article about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or website that does not assert the importance or significance of the subject."

Forgive me.....I am still learning the "in's" and "out's" of this so called all-encompassing "Encyclopedia".

Question: How can a group of 870 odd people from the United Kingdom, who have joined together to assist the BOINC community in a worthwhile cause.... how is that NOT "significant"?

And how can you "object" when the likes of meaningless "celebrities" somehow get pages and pages of utter drivel submitted???

I take no offence at the deletion, but need to understand the why's and how-fores, so I don't waste my time compiling other relevant and worthwhile entries.....only for tehm to be deleted without due cause.

regards

Tim —The preceding unsigned comment was added by UBT - Timbo (talk • contribs) 18:28, 17 February 2007 (UTC).

• Well it needs to assert importance. Also, there needs to be coverage by sources independent of the group, see WP:ORG and WP:N for the relevent guidelines. It's generally advised that you don't write about groups and companies you're personally involved with, see WP:AUTO. --W.marsh 18:32, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] drv

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Christopher_Lotito. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review.

• I was just closing the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christopher Lotito, which was a unanimous decision to delete. So it's already been to a "vote". You can challenge a deletion at WP:DRV. --W.marsh 14:47, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=TL_Osborn

How do I verify I have permission from the copyright holder to release the content. Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ZboxingNun (talk • contribs).

• Well you could have an e-mail sent to me from an address listed on their webpage, releasing it under the GFDL (see Wikipedia:Copyright). But it would really be best just to write the article in your own words. --W.marsh 00:33, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Irish Hill

I would like to discuss why you deleted the Irish Hill saying. It is part of Irish Hill's history and use to hang on signs throughout the neighborhood. Email me at ddettli210@gmail.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.147.152.188 (talk) 17:22, 21 February 2007 (UTC).

• If it's an official motto or something to that effect, it could be included. But that was not the context the article mentioned it in... articles need to mantain a certain formal tone. For example, the article on the US Army wouldn't say "The army will make your kids Army Strong".. it would say that "the army's new slogan is 'We make them Army Strong'". I guess it's a non-obvious point, but it's still important.--W.marsh 17:52, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Automated message to bot owners

As a result of discussion on the village pump and mailing list, bots are now allowed to edit up to 15 times per minute. The following is the new text regarding bot edit rates from Wikipedia:Bot Policy:

Until new bots are accepted they should wait 30-60 seconds between edits, so as to not clog the recent changes list and user watchlists. After being accepted and a bureaucrat has marked them as a bot, they can edit at a much faster pace. Bots doing non-urgent tasks should edit approximately once every ten seconds, while bots who would benefit from faster editing may edit approximately once every every four seconds.

Also, to eliminate the need to spam the bot talk pages, please add Wikipedia:Bot owners' noticeboard to your watchlist. Future messages which affect bot owners will be posted there. Thank you. --Mets501 05:14, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blunger

Hi, You placed an orphan tag on the article blunger some time ago. I have made two links to it... don't know how many it needs before the tag can be removed? regardsTeapotgeorge 22:13, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

• really just 1 or more links. I've removed the tag. Thanks. --W.marsh 22:15, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion review

An editor has asked for a deletion review of World Trade Center in film and media. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. I was creator of this subarticle and primary maintainer of the main WTC article, but not notified when this was put up for AFD. See my reasons on the DR page as to why we need this page restored. Regards. --Aude (talk) 08:20, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Viadeo and Viaduc

Hello

You have deleted my articles about Viadeo and Viaduc.

This is getting very tedious - this the fourth time these articles have been deleted.

Once for 'spam', once for not being 'notable' when we have one million members in Europe and 600k in China - we are second only to Linked'in in members Worldwide. Once for 'copyright violation' because I wrote the same text on another site and now you claim this is blatant marketing!!!

I have tried very hard to avoid any marketing statements and the entry is factual! There are no words like 'excellent' 'leading' 'wonderful' 'cheap'.

I honestly fail to see why you class our entry as marketing when the entries of our competitors are left alone:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecademy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XING http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linkedin

I have tried to accomodate the views of your colleagues but this is getting ridiculous.

I am merely trying to define the network (as a social business network - which is very notable), to state how many users we have, what the charging basis is and to state how many members we have! The information in my posts was factual and verifiable! Surely you cannot consider that as marketing!

If you have comments as to how the article should be rewritten (or perhaps you would like to rewrite it!) then please contact me at pcunninghamAT viadeoteam.com!

But this is really getting very annoying!

Kind regards

Peter Cunningham—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.236.135.147 (talk • contribs).

• As it says at the top of this talk page, I need a direct link to the deleted article to be able to respond. There is no deleted article at Viadeo and Viaduc. Anyway, it's advised you not write about yourself or your own company, precisely because it is highly likely to come off as advertising. --W.marsh 15:41, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

My request for adminship has closed successfully (79/0/1), so it appears that I am now an administrator. Thanks very much for your vote of confidence. If there's anything I can ever do to help, please don't hesitate to let me know. IrishGuy ^talk 01:23, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] mayor picture

yes, please give me a call - I work in the Mayor's Office - 574-1906

thx,

Scott —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scotika (talk • contribs) 15:37, 27 February 2007 (UTC).

I've submitted the mayor's picture. It's titled: Jerrry_e_abramson_mayor.jpg Can you post this on the mayor's page? thx!

Scott Render

• Sure, you can view the updated page at Jerry E. Abramson. --W.marsh 19:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Digital Classicist

Hi I happened to come across this page Digital Classicist . My thoughts were, it's an advert. But as a classicist I don't want to be mean to them (though I've never heard of them). You deleted the very similar Digital Medievalist . But I was wondering if you think there's any way 'digital classicist' could be rewritten, to be better? Maybe to discuss the concept rather than the one site or something? Hope you can helpMerkinsmum 20:52, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

• Well it looks like you're on the right track at Talk:Digital Classicist/Temp. But it needs to be fleshed out a bit more to be a useful article, and I would suggest citing some references. --W.marsh 21:07, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

As the file is currently tagged as copyvio (which issue has been resolved), could we at least remove that rather embarrassing block and work on editing the actual page content, do you think? I'll encourage the community to help with editing and adding citations when the page is visible again. Gabrielbodard 16:52, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

It looks like that's already been done. --W.marsh 22:47, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Award

Wow, thanks so very much. I don't know what to say, other than thank you and it's really nice to be appreciated. I would be interested in becoming an admin eventually, but I have a lot to learn about the various administrative processes and protocols first. Thanks for your faith in me! --Butseriouslyfolks 20:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Evil Laugh AfD review

I would like to ask you to take another look at the Evil laugh page and the AfD review. None of the people who voted to keep it indicated any reason to keep it which is in line with any policy that I can see on Wikipedia. Most of them argued that it should be kept because everyone knows what it is. However, the people who voted to delete it did reference several reasons it should go. I would have to say that there was a consensus. Valid reasons to delete + no argument which meets Wikipedia's sourcing guidelines to keep would equal delete consensus in my view. Slavlin 22:13, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

• I think I generally agree with you, but it's tough to overturn consensus in an AfD. Perhaps I should have here though. Unfortunately it's been over 3 months since the AfD and it really wouldn't be a good idea for me to just delete the article now. So you have two options, taking this to WP:DRV or start a new AfD. I think it would be best just to start a new AfD. Sorry I can't be more helpful at this point. --W.marsh 23:55, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ted Allbeury

Whoops! I didn't think of that, which was dumb of me.

I'll re-do it sometime. He deserves a mention.

All the best,

Dick

Sparks in Mexico 14:31, 3 March 2007 (UTC)== Sparks Mexico material ==

[edit] Melaque

Hi

Looks like you deleted one of my additions RE: Melaque, Jalisco ... and possibly San Patricio which is the same community. First of all, that material is from my web site. I'm new here and am unsure how to claim the material as mine. The fotos permission is easy enough but for text material - I must be missing it.

Also it seems the whole 'area' of Melaque and San Patricio seem to have gone away. That's rather harsh for one possible copyright problem.

Anyway ... please delete anything that seems I'm promoting my site ... but hope I can contribute to the areas that I live; Barra de Navidad, Melaque, San Patricio and a few other local communities in our area.

I would have left a link but they seem to have disappeared

http://sparks-mexico.com/

Thanks Scott Parks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sparksmex (talk • contribs) 14:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Sparks Mexico material

Hi

Looks like you deleted one of my additions RE: Melaque, Jalisco ... and possibly San Patricio which is the same community. First of all, that material is from my web site. I'm new here and am unsure how to claim the material as mine. The fotos permission is easy enough but for text material - I must be missing it.

Also it seems the whole 'area' of Melaque and San Patricio seem to have gone away. Thats rather harsh for one possible copywrite problem.

Anyway ... please delete anything that seems I'm promoting my site ... but hope I can contribute to the areas that I live; Barra de Navidad, Melaque, San Patricio and a few other local communities in our area.

http://sparks-mexico.com/

Thanks Scott Parks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sparksmex (talk • contribs) 14:33, 3 March 2007 (UTC).

• Well see the notice on your talk page for how to release the copyright. But it's really best to just write articles for Wikipedia in your own words, rather than dump text in from other sites. Format it correctly, add categories, etc. Just find a decent article on a similar town/community and use that as your model. I'm afraid writing a good Wikipedia article takes a bit of time, but it will lead to an article that no one wants to delete. --W.marsh 15:12, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] D vs ProD

I was nominating the article (I have actually just done about 8 of them) via speedy criteria #7 (i believe, the one about notability) -- they're all nominated due to non-notable vaporware (unreferenced)... should I go back and sub prod ? if so, what's the best way to be sure i'm using the right deletion method? thanks! /Blaxthos 19:24, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

• Honestly, these are somewhat fleshed out articles (some moreso than others) that have been around for a while, and while they might meet the letter of criteria #7, people have put time into these articles and I personally prefer PROD or AfD. But it's up to you... another admin might speedy delete these articles. --W.marsh 19:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, only two remain (the rest were deleted so quickly that I wondered if I had just forgotten to click "submit" after "preview").  ;-) I just don't want to go the wrong way -- people get touchy and territorial regarding deletion requests. It's my opinion, however, that the investment of the editors is less important than the actual inclusion criteria... ie it sucks that a bunch of people worked on an article, however that doesn't trump the fact that it's on a non-notable (non-existant in most cases) subject. Thanks for the help! /Blaxthos 20:06, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Michael Pollino page deletion

I got this

it is an article about a band, singer, musician, or musical ensemble that does not assert the importance or significance of the subject.

Michael Pollino is an important staple to the Austrlian Black Metal community. Could you tell me why it was deleted and what we can do to add to itso it won't be deleted again? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ashrodz (talk • contribs) 19:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC).

• Establish that claim of importance with a reference to something published or a prominent website (like allmusic guide) confirming it. See WP:CITE or just mention the source at the bottom of the article, create a section called "references". --W.marsh 19:54, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Veronica Yurach Artist

Hello

I really am not here to complain about you recently deleting an article I had put up Veronica Yurach Artist I am going to put the article back up, but change the title to Veronica Yurach Aboriginal Artist. If you have any other suggestions I would very much appreciate any feed back you can give me or advice.

Uvak38 00:55, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey Invitation

Hi there, I am a research student from the National University of Singapore and I wish to invite you to do an online survey about Wikipedia. To compensate you for your time, I am offering a reward of USD$10, either to you or as a donation to the Wikimedia Foundation. For more information, please go to the research home page. Thank you. --WikiInquirer 01:58, 4 March 2007 (UTC)^{talk to me}

[edit] Question

Hello!

I just noticed that you deleted my entry for "Preferred Hotel Group". After reading your reasons, I was wondering how companies that are listed on the following page are allowed to have their pages up and running:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hospitality_companies_of_the_United_States

Furthermore I was able to find the following pages, which should be deleted as well for the same reasons:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starwood_Hotels_%26_Resorts_Worldwide

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriott_International

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holiday_Inn

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outrigger_Hotels_%26_Resorts

I'm looking forward for your reply.

Peter —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Peter0211 (talk • contribs) 07:03, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

• Well for starters, the article seems to be copied directly from [1], an official webpage. Even if the copyright was released under the GFDL (which Wikipedia requires) promotional material by definition exists to promote and advertise, and really isn't suitable for Wikipedia. This doesn't mean the topic (the hotel group) can't have an article, it just needs a better article than the one that was created. Try to inform rather than advertise. --W.marsh 07:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your RfB

You do realize, that if you ever get nominated again or request again, that admins will notice that and take that into account when evaluating your ability to become a bureaucrat. This may come back to bite you in the butt if it has not already. Cbrown1023 talk 15:30, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

• Do you honestly think I'd ever run again? --W.marsh 15:30, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Don't leave

I just saw your comment in the RFA talk page I'm being stalked by the Essjay fan club. Can I just leave in peace? --W.marsh 16:23, 4 March 2007 (UTC). I understand you are upset over the result of the RFB, but just don't leave the project over it. We already lost Essjay, which is bad enough. Just take a short wikibreak, and do some article writing for a bit. Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 16:34, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

• I don't want to leave I just want to leave this drama... the people who are defending Essjay are now antagonizing me in some misguided idea that I'm anti-Essjay or whatever, or that it even matters. I just want to stop that. --W.marsh 16:39, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Could you possibly take a quick look?

At Eliot Tokar. Any attempts to makes the article more neutral and concise are just undone. They are hard to work with I also doubt he is noteworthy. Because these editors are proving impossible to work with, I'm on the verge of nominating it for AfD. It needs someone to have a look, who can be firm with eds who are 'fans' of the subject and possibly even are the subject:) I thought you might be someone who could be firm with them, or you might know someone who can.Merkinsmum 17:03, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD Review of EGullet

Wnissen has asked for a deletion review of EGullet. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. I'm not a founder or especially a fan of eGullet.org, but they deserve an entry. Thanks for your consideration. Wnissen 05:54, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Wait, crap, did I do this wrong? Was I supposed to contact you first before asking for an AfD review? If I was, I'm sorry. I've done a fair amount of editing, but never been involved with anything administrative like a deletion. Wnissen 16:03, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

No, you aren't required to. And when it's several months in the past there's usually not much I can do anyway... so just recreating the article or doing DRV is the way to go. --W.marsh 16:06, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stuart R. Ross/Smurfs

It's been brought to my attention that a biographical page on me and my history with the Smurfs is apparently up for deletion. I read the comments and I frankly don't know what to do or how to support the information that appeared in the article without your assistance. I tried to find the article (which no longer appears), but do to my lack of experience as a Wikepedian, I couldn't locate it. Suffice to say there is a multitude of historically verifiable third party information on the undersigned to support the statements that I remember having appeared in the article. Perhaps you can suggest some guidance on this subject.

Thanks,

Stuart R. Ross —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stuartross1 (talk • contribs) 23:20, 13 March 2007 (UTC).

• See the note at the top of this page... "If you are here to complain about a deletion (or other action), you must link to the article/action in question. I do not have time to play detective and find out what you're talking about, as it's often not very clear unless you provide a link." Sorry, I need a link to the page you're talking about. --W.marsh 23:21, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stuart R. Ross/Smurfs/Link

I read and understood the "link" instruction. However, the article has been deleted per the following: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Stuart_R._Ross

This may appear to be a dumb question, but are deleted articles archived? If so, where and how can they be accessed. If not, isn't all this Wikipedian procedure for possible resurrection of the deleted article for not? And should the latter be the case, doesn't this preemptive deletion process cry out for reform? In any event, I trust the above link will help. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stuartross1 (talk • contribs) 02:10, 14 March 2007 (UTC).

• Yes, admins (like me) can view deleted articles and undelete them if needed. I can make it available in your user space (i.e. it wouldn't be an article, but a user subpage of yours). From there you could work on adding sources to move it back into the article namespace. --W.marsh 02:26, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Template User:Blade Runner

Hi, you appear to have blindly closed this nomination without actually reading it. But, I've gone ahead and listed it at WP:TFD as you suggest. Won't surprise me in the least if it gets referred back to WP:AFD. Round and round I must go, it seems. This place is drowning in bureaucracy... – Qxz 04:11, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

• You don't really need AFD for that stuff... PROD or better yet CSD works. --W.marsh 12:59, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stuart R. Ross/Smurfs/User Page

Thanks. That would be a very good first step. Will you create the page or do I have to do something to start the process?

• It should be at User:Stuartross1/ross. Note that it can be deleted if you move it back to the article namespace without improving the article (e.g. adding references). --W.marsh 21:06, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stuart R. Ross/Smurfs/User Page

Tks for posting but didn't need the warning. In any event, I'll start and perhaps even finish what surely must be a blind and torturous process. Pity there aren't specific markers on the content or thresholds for reposting the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stuartross1 (talk • contribs) 18:55, 18 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] User Calton

Hi W.marsh, thanks for your input and assistance. Fyi, admin changes were reverted. Again. Thanks. Telogen 01:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I protected Jeanne Marie Spicuzza. I wrote in my protecction summary that all edits in the last ten days were adding and removing tags, which turns out not to be true, because you made a couple improvements to it in between. Maybe you can talk some sense into these guys. Then again, maybe you don't care. I certainly don't. I added it to WP:LAME. :-) Grandmasterka 01:22, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

• I don't care that much... and if it's even possible to talk sense into the combatants at this point, I'm sure I'm not the one to do it. Amusing WP:LAME description though, and protection was a good idea too. --W.marsh 01:26, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Jesus, couple of tag removals makes me that unreasonable? Especially considering I (and Telogen) actually used the talk page... Milto LOL pia 02:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

I accept your apology but decline the word "admirable" :) I was being a little annoying, you got a little annoyed.... no harm done and no hard feelings. —Celithemis 02:07, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] County library cooperatives

Re Brandon Library. Nothing personal, but I don't think the county or other small regional cooperatives differ very much. There are so many articles on notable libraries that are needed much more. DGG 00:07, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

• But the existence of an article on a regional library system doesn't prevent people from writing articles on bigger ones... --W.marsh 00:24, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Albert Pujols

I'd have to disagree with removing the tag. The article is nearly 25KB in length, but it only has 11 references. This is a BLP article, and I think that notice is appropriate in this situation. Besides, if I were to add {{fact}} tags to every unsourced statement, it'd fill up the article. Nishkid64 01:03, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

• Well you're wrong... 11 references is not an unreferenced article. If there are BLP issues (claims you think are untrue), point them out and I will try to fix them. There's no policy that even says an article must have inline citations, let alone more than 11 of them because the article is over 25k. But if there are claims you think are dubious, then we can start talking about the need for references. --W.marsh 01:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
  • The note says "This article does not adequately cite its references or sources." I believe that this article does not adequately cite its sources. All the references come from the introduction, the personal and accomplishments section. There are no references whatsoever in the main body of the article. I find that inadequate, and that's why I added the tag. Nishkid64 14:36, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
    • For the time being, I'll try to work on inline citations. Nishkid64 14:37, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
      • We don't add references just for the fun of it... we add them because a claim actually needs a citation for whatever reason, e.g. an editor isn't sure if a claim is true, or would like to know where it came from for further reading. That is what not being adequately referenced means... you haven't indicated you have a problem with any of the claims, you just want more references for appearances sake. Just saying "uhh add more references to this article, even though I don't need them for any particular reason" isn't very helpful. I appreciate any help to actually improve the article though. --W.marsh 14:43, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
        • There's a lot of parts of the article I can easily say I have a problem with. Whatever, I'm not going to push it anymore, so I'll just help with the references, and hopefully we can work together on bringing this to GA for the time being. Nishkid64 21:39, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD/6°Bacon

You probably want to edit your comment here to begin with “Keep.” —SlamDiego 13:49, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

• And here I thought AfD wasn't a vote... hopefully we'll get a rare closer who reads more than the bolded words. --W.marsh 14:03, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
  • 'Twould be nice, but why count on it? —SlamDiego 14:07, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Twelve angry editors

Another thought: Let's say that we have an editor who has presumed that an article should be deleted, making a cursory reading of some other comments, each of which supports his or her presumption. Without a “Keep” to grab his attention, he or she might just throw in a “Yeah, this article should go.” But a lone “Keep” might get him or her to read, and be presuaded by the argument; and the surprise might cause him to apply similar reasoning to other articles in future. —SlamDiego 04:07, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hitachi Foundation article

A while back, you nominated a page I created on The Hitachi Foundation for deletion, citing that it did not cite its sources and was copy and pasted from The Hitachi Foundation's website. You suggested recreating it from scratch. I have done that and included numerous outside sources, and will be posting for DRV soon. As I am working with a mentor to get the hang of this Wikipedia thing, I posted it on a sub page first for people to look at and review. I would really like for you to take a minute and look it over and see what you think of the new article. Your insights would be very valuable. Thanks so much! I hope you see that I was creating this article in good faith. Julieatrci 20:36, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

• It looks fine, except you might consider using the standard reference system as explained at WP:FN#How_to_use. You don't really need to go to DRV, you can just move the article back into the main namespace, using the "move" tab. --W.marsh 20:40, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NGOSS page

I'm inquiring to understand why the NGOSS page was deleted. I edited the page that was originally posted to correct and enhance the material. My company is a member of the TeleManagement Forum (www.tmforum.org) and an active participant in their NGOSS initiative. I can certainly check with the TMF and receive assurance from them that posting a page on wikipedia explaining NGOSS is ok.

Regards, Cliff

• If someone with an e-mail address from their webpage can e-mail me with permission to release under the GFDL (see Wikipedia:Copyrights, I will undelete it. But it's really best to just write articles in your own words. --W.marsh 16:48, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copyvio deletion

Hey man, thanks for taking care of the copyvio problem at William H. Hardy, however I had a non-copyvio version under the William H. Hardy/Temp location, per the copyvio template. Is there any way to recover the non-copyvio version and use it as the main article? /Blaxthos 16:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

• Done. --W.marsh 16:59, 24 March 2007 (UTC)