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[edit] Link FA

Are you sure you aren't mistaking the emu emu vandalism Mindspillage removed for an effect of Link FA?--Gmaxwell 05:41, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

• Yes, that must have been it. —Wahoofive (talk) 14:46, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Time Signature

I did alot of editing on this page but my changes seem to have disappeared! Are they being kept for some other use or should I retype them in?--GClef 17:56, 13 September 2005

Click on the History tab at the top of the page to see if somebody changed them back. I don't see your screen name there at all; are you logging in when you do edits? —Wahoofive (talk) 17:35, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

No - I didn't realise I needed to; I'm relatively new at this. Should I get a proper username - i.e., one in blue, as opposed to red? But (two minutes later), upon checking, I see that someone did in fact remove that whole section. I shall take the opportunity to ask you, W'five, should I put that information under Compound Metre, or is it better on the Time Signature page, in which case might you restore it? I'm reverting to my FClef name, which I prefer.?--FClef 22:25, 13 September 2005

Not being sure which edits you mean, I can't tell whether I like them. This edit added quite a bit about compound time signatures, which is still there. Yes, I encourage you to log in when you edit. This allows you to keep a Watchlist and makes it easier for others to contact you -- as you are contacting me -- and determine which edits are yours, plus it automates signatures -- I never have to type my username but can just type ~~~~. For more information see Wikipedia:Why create an account?. —Wahoofive (talk) 23:57, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. My changes ARE still there! (sweet mystery of life: they were gorn yesterday) I have created an account. But I can't understand why my name is still in red and yours is in blue. What is the significans of the symbols you type before your tildes when signing out (the bit about the mdash)? How do I join wikipedian Musicians and is it necessary? Any other steps I should take? Many thanks for guidance. —FClef 16:13, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

1. When you click on my screen name, you get to my user page, which I created. Yours is red just because it's empty. Click on your red name and you can put something there; then it will be blue (or purple).
2. If you add the text [[Category:Wikipedian musicians|FClef]] somewhere on your user page, you'll show up in the category. It's strictly optional.
3. Normally when you sign with the four tildes, it just puts your screen name and the date. I've customized my signature to add the mdash and the talk link. This is also optional; you can do it via the "Preferences" link at the top. See Wikipedia:Preferences. —Wahoofive (talk) 16:30, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Capitalization

Must've mixed up the left and right columns when reviewing history. Fixed. ¦ Reisio 16:07, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fake color articles

Because of the complexity of the vote at the above AfD, I have attempted to break down the individual votes on the AfD talk page. If I have misunderstood your vote with respect to any of these, please correct it. Cheers! -- BDAbramson ^talk 12:55, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] back off

Don't accuse me of writing shit that i didn't- I always sign my name when I write comment. This article is not spam anyway to respond to your post- what, are you in with the deletionist crowd or something? Moreover, don't write my username at all unless you are addressing me. 19:15, 21 September 2005 (UTC)tparker393

[edit] Love the Lists of Songs proposal

Thank you!!! Thank you!!! Thank you!!! I have a new wiki-hero!!! :) Xoloz 04:36, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Glad you like it! —Wahoofive (talk) 05:01, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

• I'll go and digest that proposal. Your proposal would take care of a number of lists I consider to be unencyclopedic. But I'm afraid it would also kill List of songs with nonsense lyrics. It probably needs some perfecting to get wide-spread support, but it's a good start. - Mgm|^(talk) 07:41, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Color AfD's

Hi. The mass of colors we voted on before has been undeleted and relisted as individual AfD's. Cheers! -- BDAbramson ^talk 01:11, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Do You Feel Like We Do

Wahoofive,

I have expanded the article considerably and added references so that it is now longer a stub. I would be grateful if you could have a look at it. Capitalistroadster 10:42, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

• Nice job. —Wahoofive (talk) 15:25, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)

Hi. You left a neutral comment at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages) recently. Could I impose on you to update that to support or oppose as you see fit, just to make sure your intentions are not misinterpreted? Thanks. --RoySmith 00:07, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Saying farewell

Wahoo,

I guess you're not aware that I've been enduring an RfA that has gone hideously wrong - indeed it's turned into an abusive, highly personal trial. In five days, it has turned me from a loyal, hard-working Wikipedian into an enemy. I'm so disgusted with the process that I'm walking out (with the two excerpts, regrettably, since I arranged the copyright, and the owner has readily agreed to withdraw permission). It's all very sad and unexpected.

I do wish you, RobertG et al the best in making the musical part of WP as good as possible.

Tony 21:01, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Czech hip hop

Hi, Ive just found that you were categorizing Czech hip hop, so why Hip hop, Czech? Because than it is in Hip hop by nationality under H!:(

I have no idea what you're talking about. —Wahoofive (talk) 21:10, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Ok, don´t worry. Ill do it.

[edit] WikiProject Tunings, Temperaments, and Scales

Would you be interested in joining my proposed WikiProject, WikiProject Tunings, Temperaments, and Scales? —Keenan Pepper 05:55, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

I've watchlisted it for now. —Wahoofive (talk) 06:26, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit]  ? deletion

Could someone please take a look at article Pádraig. This article seems to be nothing more than a self advertisement by a young person who is not yet sufficiently know to have an article done about him. Is it suitable for Wikipedia or should it be deleted. If kept it may result in a flood of similar pages from millions of people? NB: I live in the area concerned and have never heard of him. 86.2.136.146 13:10, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Authentic performance

I see you have deleted the reference to Dolmetsch's book in the "books" section. I thought this book represented a landmark in the movement for authentic performance in the 20th century. I'm curious as to why you deleted it? Bluewave 08:31, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tedernst removal of red-links from dab pages

Examples as requested - here for your consideration; what bothers me as much as the actions are a) the stated like for the "be bold - revert - discuss" paradigm (see the current thread) which I think is kind of childish and b) the edit note "if noteable, write the article!" brandished like some accusation of _how DARE you dirty up this page with your trash_.

• Cabal (disambiguation) (consider this and this)
• Abraham Lincoln High School (consider this)
• The Four Seasons (consider this)

Enough of this digging, though; I feel kind of dirty and childish myself doing this detective work. User:Ceyockey 05:03, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Disambig mess

Thanks for creating a huge mess out of disambiguation. It will take a lot of work to get disambiguation pages back to something useful again. Bensaccount 17:56, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

If I only knew what this was about.... —Wahoofive (talk) 21:56, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lists discussion

Hi, can you tell me you thoughts on the comment I made on the poll? Thanks Arniep 23:47, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Swung note again

Hyacinth has redirected everything back to his pet article. On the principle of working for the good of the encyclopedia, and lacking any show of interest at the pump, I've decided to try working with him on this, although I still don't think it's the right place for the main article on swing rhythms and metres. See Talk:Swing rhythm#Here we go again.

You might also like to have a look at the history of the common time entry. Here I really don't know what he's playing at! Andrewa 20:12, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, agree that there's a point at which we just need to cut our losses and work on things that give better value than edit wars. I just thought you might like a heads-up as you agreed that the main article should be somewhere else other than at swung note.

Hmmm, following your comment I had another look at the common time thing and I can't follow my earlier comment either! All I know is I followed the link from swung note and got to a completely inappropriate place. But as it stands, agree, the current redir is worse. I'll fix it! Andrewa 01:34, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Aha! Part of the problem is, where do I wikilink common time to? The redirect isn't adequate; There are so many redirects to time signatures that it's impractical to mention them all in the first paragraph or TOC. I've ended up with [[Time signature#Notational variations in simple time|common time]], which is a bit ugly, ends up here and doesn't really have the information. The alternative is [[Musical terminology#C|common time]], which ends up here and has the information but is even uglier. Andrewa 01:48, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Homeschooling project

Hello, My name Master Scott Hall (you can call me Scott). I am relatively new contributing to Wikipedia, though I have been a user of it for some time. I am currently soliciting for interest in a Wikiproject that I have proposed on the subject of homeschooling. Before finding Wikipedia, my wife and I were seriously considering, but not quite convinced, to home educate our children.

After discovering the depth, scope, and long-term goals of Wikipedia, as well as the individuals driving it, I am convinced that WP has the potential to revolutionize homeschooling. I am also convinced that home education is the right choice for my family. I have, however, been somewhat discouraged by the oversight of home education in most of the education related projects on WP. There are many potential reasons for this discrepency, but I have resolved to try to do something about it.

Although I personally have very limited experience in building complex Wikiprojects, -templates, -portals, etc., I am confident that the right team can be assembled to tackle these issues. I have notice that you seem to have taken the Homeschooling article "under your wing", at least in terms of NPOV. This kind of focus is crucial to the success of this project. I would like to invite you to join this effort to make Wikipedia the resource for the home education of our children. If you are interested, please visits the temporary project page I have set up. Thank you --Master Scott Hall 17:46, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Missing license

I just noticed that your Image:Gregorian chant.gif lacks a license. Can I ask you to add one? Algae 21:03, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fixed link in your comment

Reading through your comments on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation, I found a link (WP:D#Multi-stub pages) which used an anchor which no longer exists (the section was renamed). I took the liberty of fixing it. I decided to tell you this because I think, in general, editing other people's comments is a breach of etiquette, but I thought this useful enough to break the rule (WP:IAR). I hope you don't mind. Hairy Dude 07:54, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

For your convenience, here is a link to the relevant section. Hairy Dude 07:57, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks —Wahoofive (talk) 16:01, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image Tagging Image:Common time signatures.png

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Thanks for uploading Image:Common time signatures.png. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the media on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.

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If you have uploaded other media, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Shyam ^(T/C) 10:58, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merging Chord (music) and Chord symbol

Hi,

I'm about to merge Chord (music) and Chord symbol and would appreciate yout thoughts (on the former's talk page). Edits to a draft version can be made here. Thanks Andeggs 07:45, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Holdrian comma

I cited Holder himself, who certainly discusses it. Ozan Yarman, a Turkish musicologist, tells me it is called that in Turkish music theory. Gene Ward Smith 18:39, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Authentic performance terminology

Hello Wahoofive,

There's a query for you at the Talk page of authentic performance.

Yours truly, Opus33 03:40, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Bass clef.gif listed for deletion

[edit] Image:Tenor clef.gif listed for deletion

[edit] Past AfD nomination of Intercounty Baseball League

Just noticed this past AfD and I fully support the decision to keep this article. Anyone familiar with Canadian baseball knows that the IBL is a serious men's baseball league with a long history (since 1919) that has produced several members of Major League Baseball, AAA baseball, AA baseball and A baseball, while also featuring former MLB players and former Negro Leagues players of the past. To delete it would have been a travesty. Additionally, several former IBL players have been inducted into the Canadian Baseball Hall of Fame & Museum in St. Marys, Ontario. Barry Wells 16:50, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Further to the above AfD nomination, I'd like to add that the IBL has had numerous former MLB players in the league, including Fergie Jenkins (who's the only player to have been inducted into the National Baseball Hall of Fame and the Canadian Baseball Hall of Fame), Frank Colman, Denny McLain, Dave Rozema, Paul Spoljaric, Rob Butler, Oscar Judd, Tim Burgess, Mike Kilkenny and several outstanding former Negro Leagues players.

Additionally, many many players have been paid to play (albeit under the table), the league has many corporate sponsors, fans, competent, paid umpires, an official media guy, statistician, record books, commissioner and local TV contracts. It is serious baseball, with most parks (all but one, I believe) charging admission. The 1948 London Majors not only won the Intercounty title, but also the Ontario title, the Canadian title and the Can-Am title. Drinking beer while playing is not permitted, as one user frivously suggested. Many former IBL players have also gone on to baseball scholarships at U.S. universities, pro careers with MLB organizations or AAA ball, AA ball or A ball. The London Majors play at Labatt Park, the undisputed (to date) world's oldest baseball grounds in continuous use since 1877 (a heritage site under the Ontario Heritage Act) -- a park which won the prestigious Beam Clay Award as the best natural grass baseball park in North America in 1989-90. Barry Wells 19:13, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Disambiguation Talk Request

This is a form message being sent to all WikiProject Disambiguation participants. I recently left a proposed banner idea on the WikiProject Disambiguation talk page and I would appreciate any input you could provide. Before it can be approved or denied, I would prefer a lot of feedback from multiple participants in the project. So if you have the time please join in the discussion to help improve the WikiProject. Keep up the good work in link repair and thanks for your time. Nehrams2020 21:46, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AFD discussion on a list of songs

• List of English songs whose title includes nonsense words (AfD discussion)

You contributed to the discussion when this subject came up at Wikipedia talk:Centralized discussion/Lists of songs. Please contribute to the AFD discussion. Uncle G 15:24, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Melisma

I was wikilinking "dead-end" pages, where we try to further things along, and noticed that the Melisma article refers to "Melisma first appeared in written form...", but didn't see any mention of it in Musical notation. There really isn't a tag for "some of this info might be included in ..." material. I meant to clarify that on the talk page, but I guess I forgot. Sorry, Askari Mark (Talk) 22:51, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Interval (music) and Diminished seventh

Yes, Wahoofive. These articles are marred by poor treatment of basic terminology, along with other flaws. With the diminished 7th, I myself am less concerned with how the chord is derived than with the underlying classification of both the interval and the chord. In a nutshell, the problem is this. We know quite well what a diatonic scale is in the context of Greek-based theory of tetrachords and scales; and the term works well and uncontroversially enough when we speak of the music of the Renaissance being founded on the diatonic scale. But in accounting for the period when the harmonic minor (in particular) grew to be important in western music, the term diatonic grows less certain in meaning. According to a usage that evolved in 19C, especially in Britain, the term diatonic came to mean proper to the notes of a major scale, or of some form of a minor scale. This usage can be discerned quite clearly in Percy Scholes' original Oxford Companion to Music, and in the very influential pedagogical writings of the late-19C theorist Ebenezer Prout. In Britain and the other Commonwealth countries, especially in pedagogy as opposed to musicology, this usage is still dominant. And it makes good sense. After all, the system of the Common Practice Period is essentially a system of major scales and melodic and harmonic minor scales, so it's useful to have a term that refers to scales, notes, intervals, embellishments, and harmonic resources that fit most naturally into that basic system: diatonic. And then chromatic is available for reference to the expanded resources arising from adding notes that do not belong to those scales. In fact, it is when we revert to the supposedly more rigorous and supposedly earlier understanding of the term diatonic that confusions, ambiguities, and infelicities emerge. These are now ubiquitous, and can be found throughout the Wikipedia music articles, very many current textbooks, and very many current dictionaries – both general and musical. Even the New Grove is a little muddled. (Setting aside the harmonic minor, consider, as a side complication, how the ascending form of the melodic minor scale is to be classified: some say it is diatonic, some say it is not. And there are varying grounds for the opinions in question.) So you see? The area is riddled with complexities and entrenched allegiances to accustomed practices. The problem may be insoluble for Wikipedia, as a matter of practicality. We'll see. [I'll now post this at Talk:Interval (music) too, I think.] –Noetica 01:38, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your note in reply, Wahoofive. Let's continue the discussion, if there is more to say, at Talk:Interval (music). –Noetica 04:10, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Glad to see the Dim7 article being expanded. I ran out of steam.--Roivas 16:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

BTW, I don't think the "hidden root" theory was originated by Piston (not that you claimed that or anything). I'm pretty sure that Rimsky-Korsakov was the first explain it this way. I'm relying on old memories, here...but I'll be sure to keep an eye out for a good citation so I can edit that into the article.--Roivas 18:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Just so you know the background behind this weird debate.

Two things sparked it:

I removed this piece of nonsense from the article in Interval (Music):

"Diatonic intervals are all those whose notes can both be found in at least one major or harmonic minor scale"

and this from the Diminished Seventh article:

"A diminished seventh interval is one of three musical intervals that span seven diatonic scale degrees."--Roivas 17:14, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

In answer to your note at my page, Wahoofive: yes. See my extended comments at Talk:Diatonic scale. –Noetica 06:19, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Homeschooling and making friends

Yes, I know you _can_ make friends outside school, but the problem I see is not of numbers, but of quality. Of the hundreds of acquaitances you do at school, you meet the persons who can be very good friends of yours, and you live side by side with them more than half of your day, nearly every day. Of those friends you keep in touch with few when you grow up and life diverges your paths, but that doesn't mean you didn't need them back then. I will buy mi children toys, even knowing that in a couple of years they won't play with them anymore: They need them now.

In any case I would let my children to decide if they actually can do with more or less friends. And the only way they can decide is not denying them the option.

I can understand that in places where the practice is common, homeschooling parents would make their children meet. It's a way to eliminate the problem of which I'm talking.

And of course, if the education system of the area is so bad, I can understand the practice. Although sending your children to school doesn't impede you of teaching them whatever you feel they should have been thaugth and haven't.

In any case, I do believe, without knowing a word of psychology or sociology, that the fact that younger and younger children try tabacco, for example, is fault of schooling (of the social tension school imposes on children). --euyyn 00:25, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New article Diatonic and chromatic

Great work, Wahoofive! I have now done quite a lot within the structure you set up. Let's confine open discussion to Talk:Diatonic and chromatic from now on. I'll put a note to that effect at the other articles' talk pages. This is going to require considerable patience and forbearance, we can be sure! There are a number of other common terms in music that cause problems here at Wikipedia, but by my assessment at least we are attacking the worst of them. – Noetica^♬Talk 10:11, 26 March 2007 (UTC)