Talk:Waikato

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Someone proficient at "dab" may like to note in the standard manner that "Waikato" is a river, a tribe or subtribe, a dialect, part of the names of two territorial authority districts and one regional council and probably a number of other statutory bodies, and the name of at least one chief prominent in the 19th century (currently linked to this article at "Maori language"). I don't know whether any of those need separate pages. I see "Waikato River" has one; and I wouldn't propose to merge it with this. Robin Patterson 00:47, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Waikato the region is by far the most common use of the word Waikato, so following convention it should be kept at Waikato.

Not sure about that. The most common use is probably in the weather forecasts and they use it to refer to a smaller area than the Region. Nurg 08:03, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

OK - (hmmmm, I forgot the rugby team...) Robin Patterson 07:41, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The councils aren't named just "Waikato" but have Waikato in their name so there is no need to disambiguate them. And as they are in the Waikato I don't see why they can't be mentioned in this article.

OK Robin Patterson 07:41, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The chief can have his own article with link to it from this article. I'm not aware of a Waikato dialect, I did a quick search and couldn't find anything about a dialect called Waikato. I'm not sure about Waikato tribe, how does it differ from Tainui? -- Popsracer 11:48, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

My 1894 grammar book includes "Waikato" in its list of 7 dialects. The Reed Pocket dictionary map shows a "Waikato" tribe. Robin Patterson 07:41, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I was rather hoping to distinguish Waikato Region from Waikato District, so that we will end up with a separate article for each local government unit.

They are quite different entities so that's perfectly fine. Nurg 08:03, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I imagine people will want to put facts and figures in these geographical articles and it helps to have the extent of the area well defined. We already have joint articles for territorial authorities that share the name of their main town ("Auckland", "Whangarei", "Gisborne"). That's mainly because people often don't make the distinction between a city and its local government unit, so it's almost as confusing to separate them as it is to keep them in one article.

Actually I've been thinking it might be better to use "X District" for all the districts that don't share an article with their main town. So you'd have "Mackenzie District", "Waikato District" and "Kapiti Coast District", but "Gore", "Waimate" (and "Marlborough" because it's a region as well as a district).

If we did this we could have a page for "Waikato" and a page for "Waikato District". How would that strike you?

Yes, not forgetting "South Waikato District". But I've already distinguished Porirua from its city council and have more to add to each page. So be warned - remember the 32kB limit! Robin Patterson 07:41, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

It would be a lot of work, but it's better done before most of the pages get fleshed out. I could dedicate a night to it (and create stubs for the territorial authorities that haven't got them). I've found a free source for boundary maps so we can have maps on each article too.

Maybe we should discuss this all on the project page Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand places and come up with an agreed list of territorial authority/regional article names, and then go forth and conquer.

Ben Arnold 23:29, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

In principle I agree with most of what Ben says (as usual). Robin Patterson 07:41, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I did a little work on this article and found myself referring to "true Waikato". I see absolutely no problem with anyone creating an article on the traditional Waikato area (in addition to Waikato Region and Waikato District articles) being, I suggest, the area south of Auckland Region, south and west of Hauraki Plains, west of Kaimais and Mamakus and north of Central Plateau and King Country, regardless of whether this trad Waikato has any current official status or agreed precise boundaries. Similarly there will one day be an article on King Country, an historically significant area. The only issue will be that this existing article will probably have to be renamed Waikato Region, leaving "Waikato" for the trad area. Nurg 08:03, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] "Mooloo"

I'm getting fed up with having to continually revert assertions by a couple of anons that the term "Mooloo" started thanks to a variation of the "Ole ole" soccer chant being used for the Waikato Rugby team. Since the soccer chant started after the 1982 World Cup in Spain, and the word Mooloo's been around for at least 50 years, I find this patently ridiculous. if anyone has information to the contrary, though, I'd be happy to listen. I'd also be happy if others would keep an eye on this problem on the page... Grutness...wha? 07:18, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Territorial authorities

Some wikiholic really should give this article a list of the districts that are wholly or partly in the region. I think there are ten. It was annoying to come here expecting to get a quick link to one and not find it. Robin Patterson 05:43, 9 February 2006 (UTC)