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[edit] Redskins license plates
I noticed that Virginia issues license plates boosting the Washington Redskins. I've uploaded my own Redskins plate to Wikipedia. Would it be appropriate for inclusion in the article? A link to it is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Redskinsplate.jpg
Thanks for your feedback in advance. Jamehec 03:06, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Verification on name
"In 1933, George Preston Marshall, the owner of the team, which was then located in Boston, renamed it the Boston Redskins in honor of the head coach, William "Lone Star" Dietz, an American Indian."
Can someone verify this? I think that has been debunked, but I'm not sure. I thought I remembered hearing that he either wasn't American Indian or that that wasn't the reason the team was named what it was named.
I'm pretty sure that should be deleted.
- From the entry on Redskin:
- The name "Redskins" would later be used for a NFL football team. The team was originally known as the Boston Braves, but changed to the Boston Redskins when they left Braves field for Fenway Park. The name "Redskins" was chosen to honor the team's coach, William "Lone Star" Dietz, whose mother was Sioux. In 1937 the team moved to Washington, D.C. and became the Washington Redskins. In the decades following the move to Washington, the team's owner George Preston Marshall was a controversial figure who refused to allow black players onto his team until 1962. (Source: Redskins Book, Washingtonpost.com.)
How exactly does one use a page link as citing something, when it has absolutely no mention of said thing whatsoever? The link citing Dietz's Sioux history or lack thereof, has nothing at all about it. I find this stuff on here on different pages quite regularly.
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- My guess is that the blog on that link once had something about it, but if it's still there, it's hidden somewhere. However, I also think that the alleged connection of "Redskins" to Dietz is retrofitting by historians, either purposefully, or possibly ignorant of the fact that the team was initially named for the Boston Braves. Thus, I have downplayed that unsourced and possible spurious theory about Dietz. It's also worth noting that Marshall obviously had racist tendencies, having been the last NFL owner to hire a black player, so he would have had no qualms at all about calling a team "Redskins". I also realize that he was a product of his times, when "redskin" was a fairly widely-used insult. I suspect this retrofitting might even be deliberate, as Marshall has been dead for over 35 years. They can't use him as an excuse for why they keep this nickname, so they have this convenient other theory. It might have some basis in fact (teams featuring Native American players and coaches were sometimes called "Indians"), but at the moment the evidence is not there, at least not in the article. Wahkeenah 20:04, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Not to be forgotten?
I added all the Redskin "Not To Be Forgotten" uniform numbers and dates of play (check - they should be accurate) as well as quite a few of the players. How about some old-time fans (ca. 1970's) adding to that? JamesMadison 08:58, 10 August 2005 (UTC) I think that's a really good idea.
[edit] Improvement drive
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[edit] Obsolescence of "redskin" as racial slur
Old text said the term is obsolete as a slur. There was no support for this. I checked several dictionaries. Only one said the term is "obsoltete," and another said "old fashioned." Others made no mention of this alleged obsolescence. All of them said this term is either offensive or obscene. Furthermore, old text said the term "redskin" now means simply a member of the Washington professional football team. Of all the dictionaries I checked, not a single one made a mention of the trademark used by the Washington team. Therefore I removed this text. Massysett 20:03, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
- I have heard many arguments that the football team and the city that hosts it do regard the term as a positive connotation and not a negative one. However, that does not make it "obsolete". - Tεxτurε 20:21, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
No, you misunderstand. It's not obsolete as a slur, it's obsolete as a word. When have you ever heard anyone call a Native American a "redskin"? It's as obsolete as "darkie" for an African-American. That doesn't make it any less of a racial slur, it's just not used anymore. Wahkeenah 01:01, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
- What kind of obsolescence are you talking about? Heck, there's an article about the Society for the Prevention of Calling Sleeping Car Porters "George" even though it hasn't been in use for decades. The word still exists and has a history. You can't expect the groups affected to forget the history. What if a team was named "darkie"? Do you think that would be ignored? - Tεxτurε 15:45, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
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- I didn't know that "George" group still existed. I say again, the only time you ever heard the term "Redskin" nowadays is in reference to the football team, not to Native Americans. Wahkeenah 18:29, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
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- I don't think anyone is saying that the term "Redskin" isn't offensive, or that it should be ignored. But I think that this is a separate issue from the word's contemporary usage, and I think Wahkeenah is right that the term is a pretty obsolete or archaic one. john k 19:49, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] 1982 NFC Championship Game
Sunday's game (35-7) made me think...
Somebody, probably somebody with more knowledge than me (and a better keyboard than I have access to right now) should add something about that ´82 NFC championship game where the Hogs started calling out the plays during the snap count ("Randy White, we're running at you!"). Seriously, is there a better Skins game that any of you remember? That's about the baddest football story I have ever heard of. That's an important part of Skins history.
- Well, Dick Butkus' spitting on the ball just before the opposing center snapped it is right up there in the "baddest" list. Unfortunately, the Bears of that era were also bad, and not in a good way. Wahkeenah 02:44, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Fan Chant!
This is Alakzam! As you can see, I displayed what the Redskins like to do during Gary Glitter's Rock and Roll (Part Two). From watching the Redskins play at home, that's what I heard. I'll understand if you find this unsuitable.
- Suitability isn't relevant, but notability is, and probably better than half the professional sports venues in the USA have fans augmenting the chant this way. It's certainly not a Redskins tradition. VT hawkeyetalk to me 07:09, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
- Let me just chime in to note I've only noticed it at the last two home games, so it seems to fall short of a tradition J1729 13:32, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Marching Band vs. Baltimore
I removed much of the information comparing the Skins' band with the Baltimore one. There was some mistaken information about the history of the Baltimore band. The Ravens didn't revive the band; it existed continuously. The Redskins band may predate the Colts franchise, but the Colts band predates the Colts franchise. It's an interesting history -- see http://www.ravensband.org/history.html . But it probably belongs on a Baltimore page, hon. J1729 18:29, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
- Never-the-less, the Redskins' Band predates the Ravens/Colts' band by 10 years. I don't know what you deleted, but it seems worth making a comparison of some sort. --72.73.25.176 01:38, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The Rivalry
I have started an article on the Cowboys-Redskins rivalry. Please help me make it the most detailed site on the web of this amazing rivalry. And lets see if we can put something in this article as well about it. I'm kinda new on Wikipedia, but I'm a diehard Skins fan! Jwalte04 16:59, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Duplicated history
Much of the information in the history section also appears in a separate article, History of the Washington Redskins. Either the separate article should be merged, or else the history section here should be mostly removed and replaced by a "see also" or "main article" link. I'm not sure which is the preferred style for NFL team articles, so I'm not taking any action for now. Dsreyn 19:32, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] uniform
I thought that Redskins wear their golden jersey at home and the white jesrsey away. Elfalem 23:02, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
The Redskins never had a golden jersey in their history. However they did have golden pants. Game day jersies in the NFL are determined by the home team. For instance, if the Redskins were playing the 49ers in San Fransisco, and the 49ers chose to wear their Cardinal Red jersies, the Redskins would wear their White jersies. If the 49ers choose to wear their White jersies, the Redskins would wear their Burgundy jersies.
The Washington Redskins are one of the few teams that predominanty wear their white jersies at home due in part of their head coach, Joe Gibbs. This was not always the case. In recent times, before Joe Gibb's return, the Redskins have played in their burgundy jersies at home during the Schottenheimer and Spurrier era.
Perhaps someone should add that the Texans also often wear white at home? ChemWeapon 05:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
It should be added that only three teams wear white at home: the skins, and those two detestable teams from texas.
- Actually, the Texans traditionally are one of those teams that only wear their white jerseys at home during the first half of the season. So far in 2006, they only wore white for their home games against PHI (Sep 10), WAS (Sep 24), and MIA (Oct 1). They wore their alternate red jerseys against JAX (Oct 22), and blue against BUF (Nov 19). If they continue with their short tradition, they will wear blue in their last 3 home games (of course, I am writing this before their game against TEN kicks off in a few hours). Zzyzx11 (Talk) 09:23, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Newark Tornadoes Reference
Most sources I can find don't reference Marshall in relation to the Tornadoes. Infact, a cursory Google search mostly led back to Wikipedia (or Wikipedia entries repurposed on other sites). This is the best I could find so far, but I don't think it's good enough: http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nfl/wasbos/bosskins.html --72.73.25.176 02:04, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Riggins-- then-longest run from scrimmage in Super Bowl history (43 yards).
Larry Csonka had a 49-yard run in Super Bowl VII
Tom Matte had a 58-yard run in Super Bowl III 65tosspowertrap 20:40, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Vandalism needs removing
5 seperate edits of vandalisim, plus 2 edits that look like attempts to correct the problem. Is there anyway to revert to a prior version (7 back) without having to undo each seperately? Darkson 16:04, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I believe that can be done from the history page. Let me take a shot. JaderVason 23:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
You're a bit late, it's already been done. ;) Darkson 01:15, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
I fixed some other ones. I think they are all fixed now. A single reversion to a reliable version would have been easier. Wahkeenah 02:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] 1987-88 Season
Is it appropriate to mention in the article that the Washington Redskins were the only team during the 1987 players' strike not to have a single team member cross the picket line? After all, the 2000 movie "the Replacements" was loosely based on the Redskins. Signof4, 12 January 2007
[edit] May I Present...
Tell me what you think... List of Washington Redskins players - Jwalte04 02:02, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
