Talk:Weyerhaeuser
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[edit] NPOV
I added an NPOV tag due to the already-mentioned "Weyerhaeuser & Indigenous Resistance" section at the bottom. Tyro the Kinky Kitty 18:20, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- I've put another NPOV tag on the article, for the criticism section, mainly the environmental parts. It only gives one POV. The only part of a sentence (somewhat) presenting another POV is "Weyerhaeuser has made many claims that their operations are “green". It then leads into the counterargument. Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 21:51, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] new facts need to be sourced
I removed this paragraph to the talk page until it can be cleaned up, sourced and made NPOV.
- Frederick Edward Weyerhaueser was a member of the 1896 Skull and Bones society of Yale University. It is believed that as secretary of state, he appointed his future nephew in law, Henry J. Anslinger to power within what it now known as the DEA. Anslinger immediately began talking about the "ill effects" of Marijuana as the medicinal drug as we know it as today. He was using smear tactics crossed with yellow journalism to frighten the public of the Marijuana plant (often using racism to strengthen their fear) - and make marijuana (and essentially hemp fiber), which is 7 times as recyclable as wood pulp fiber, illegal.
Here are my clean-up suggestions
- line starting with "it is believed" needs to include reliable sources
- smear tactics and yellow journalism needs to be referenced someplace, we can't assume that everyone knows these things, even if they're true, a link to info in print journalism, another sourced Wikipedia article or more NPOV language needs to be used here. I am not denying the yellow journalism and racial angle, just saying that if you're going to put it in an article where it's already a stretch, topic-wise, you should make sure it's supported
- "the medicinal drug as we know it today" is not encyclopedic in tone. While some people believe this to be true about marijuana, many do not.
- please keep hemp activism in hemp articles or other articles where it is relevant, this is an article about the Weyerhauser company , not even about logging, lumber or paper making.
In short, while I agree with a lot of what you are saying, this is an article that is already needing clean-up. If you have cited sources that are critical of Weyerhauser, please add them to the criticism section. Jessamyn (talk) 14:04, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
I added the part about the gun control and it is all factual.My computer skills are limited and I could not figure out the citation page but my source is an article from the WSJ at http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=113443 Please do not erase my edit,the facts are as stated.Saltforkgunman 02:26, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- Factual is not the same as WP:NPOV. This needs to be cleaned up. -Jcbarr 02:31, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
O.K.I removed some of the more egregious facts and the 1 instance of sarcasm and added some more of the managers comments.Can someone tell me how to cite this segment,I can't figure it out.Saltforkgunman 06:53, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
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- Definitely improved. Thanks. I added the citation above as an external link as well. -Jcbarr 14:20, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] significance and citation questioned
I removed this section to the talk page until it can be cleaned up and edited down. The entry is just way too long and one activity at a small plant in Oklahoma that has no far-reaching effects on any of the dozens of other plants or the thousands of other employees seems to push the boundaries of significance. The sourcve also comes from a cut and pasted post on a message board, not an actual news article. ReporterSteven 10:05, 11 April 2006
- On October 1, 2004, the company sent gun and drug sniffing dogs into the parking lot of their Valliant, Oklahoma plant looking for drugs in cars in response to an employee drug overdose. They found no drugs, but the dogs alerted on 12 cars with guns in them. The company then ordered the employees to open their cars for a hand search and rifles, shotguns, and handguns were found. The 12 employees were immediately suspended.
Two days later, the company fired all twelve employees, including a shift supervisor of 23 years with an exemplary record. Jimmy 'Red' Wyatt and all the others said that they were never told of the policy change, extending the company gun ban to the parking lot, which had occurred in 2002.
The plant manager, Mr. Nebel said that firing the men was difficult but he felt safer with all the guns out of the parking lot. Mr. Nebel stated that all the employees had been warned of the policy change.
Several of the fired men have filed a civil suit against Weyerhaeuser for wrongful termination, with Tulsa attorney Larry Johnson representing them. Mr.Johnson, a longtime Second Amendment lawyer said that this was an injustice that must be addressed. [1]
[edit] POV Issue
"Weyerhaeuser & Indigenous Resistance" is hardly NPOV and needs to be changed to reflect a completely neutral stance. I'll begin work on the section ASAP, any help would be appreciated. --Sycron 04:03, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Citations Issue
As what has become normal with this entry, comments are being made with no citations. They include the following that need citations under the "Weyerhaeuser & Ignoring Environmental Concerns" heading. ReporterSteven 12:03, 20 April 2006
- Unlike the other leading businesses, Weyerhaeuser ignores evolving demands from its customers and refuses to respond to the crisis facing the world’s forests.
- Weyerhaeuser has made many claims that their operations are “green” however facts tell a different story. More than 128,000 square kilometers (50,000 mile²) of Canadian public lands lay open to Weyerhaeuser’s environmentally destructive practices. Weyerhaeuser logs on lands as ecologically varied as the temperate rainforests of the Canadian Coat on Vancouver Island, to pine forests in the interior of British Columbia, to the slow-growing boreal forest stretching across Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Ontario, and to the maritime forests of New Brunswick.
- However, Weyerhaeuser has not honoured the commitment; its new “variable retention” cutting on the B.C. coast is often indistinguishable from clear-cuts.
- In addition, Weyerhaeuser's Kenora, Ontario mill, has been heavily criticized as a toxic pulp and paper mill that is poisoning the people of Grassy Narrows. Band members suffer from toxic levels of mercury released by Weyerhaeuser's mill. For decades, the company's Dryden, Ontario paper mill dumped the poison into the English River, where it accumulated in fish and groundwater.
- Since the 1990s, increasing demand from Weyerhaeuser mills have driven accelerated cutting in the forests of Grassy Narrows. If adopted, Abitibi's new harvest plan would permit accelerated cutting through 2024 and cause incalculable damage to the forest and the people of Grassy Narrows.
[edit] Gun control
I have reverted the article to include the facts about gun control.Thankyou for contributing,Reporter.Saltforkgunman 01:21, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- I wonder if the disagreement on this section is due to the title - "Weyerhaeuser and Gun Control". What they allow on their property to protect their employees and customers isn't exactly the same as what folks normally think of as "gun control" on a more global scale. Could we compromise on something like "Lawsuit over gun rights on Weyerhaeuser property"? -Jcbarr 05:00, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
This kind of shit is the reason that I rarely come to Wikipedia any more.To answer the nonsense posted by the reporter,Way too long? The entry is as long as it takes to get the pertinent facts in the article.Significance?The actions of the company in the heart of gun owning Oklahoma reflect the policies of the company as a whole and are intrusive into peoples rights.This incident prompted a state Senate Bill to restrict employers from infringing on the rights of employees to have a gun for lawful self-defense to and from woRK.The citation comes from a cut and pasted NEWS ARTICLE on a message board because the original article is no longer in the archives of the news.
Iappreciate your help,Jcbarr.Saltforkgunman 18:05, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Different tone needed - cite sources of criticism
Who are the critics of Weyerhauser that make these claims? Please provide sources and indicate what organizations are responsible for these claims. This is not a neatral encyclopedia article as it is written. --Metzenberg 04:16, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
I have once again reverted the article to include the sourced facts about the corporate policies of this company.Reporter Steven, you are either a Weyerhaeuser employee or an idiot.Please do not mess with this article any more, as you are contributing nothing.Saltforkgunman 02:39, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
I have read indiginous resistance and have removed the copy edit tag.I have removed the sentance that 'weyerhaeuser does not have the right to turn the Grassy Narrows into paper.'Saltforkgunman 18:19, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't know much about the 'indiginous resistance' in Canada , but have attempted to cite sources for that section.Saltforkgunman 18:55, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Insults are not necessary -- but clear citations are. I removed the entire resistance section. If you insist on putting it back, find proper citations for it. Otherwise, you clearly need to review the citations section. This is not a place to write drivel opinions to launch some agenda. State facts and prove it. ReporterSteven 01:06, 05 February 2007
O.K., Steve, I can work with you on this.I am not really concerned about the 'resistance' section, as I know nothing about events in remote Canada.I do, however, know about events in Oklahoma that pertain to the RKBA.The actions of the paper mill in McCurtain County are well known to a lot of people, having prompted an Oklahome State Senate Bill to stop this kind of thing from happening again.The lawsuit that spun off from that is still ongoing, I believe.
You are correct that the section detailing the destruction of the tribal lands in Canada do not have citeable sources, and I am not going to go hunting for them.The section was emotional and POV.
The GUNS are factual and provable.Saltforkgunman 14:37, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Then prove this to us by giving a source. This article has had a POV article for much too long... something should be done. A deletion of all POV sections may be in order... м info 03:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Relevence to the Company Operations
The "Criticisms" discussions of environment, resistance, and guns seem to me to be relatively unimportant in overall understanding of the firm. They may be important in a discussion of "current events" (well, longstanding events) but they seem to occupy quite a few column inches. Indeed, two of those issues deal with environment and together take more space than a description of the company operations. WTH does the company do? Why has its stock really increased over the past year? Do the posters here understand a company of this size is engaged in many many arguments at a time, why not list (all) the significant ones? (I consider the gun issue totally unimportant to this company.) 131.191.29.223 03:57, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Why is next to nothing cited in this entire entry!?!?! Only then can problems with tone be addressed, we don't know who we're refuting. 131.191.29.223 03:57, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
