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Hi there folks. I'm slowly working my way through the articles on vocal topics, and I've wandered into this one. I think it's generally ok, but there is a fair amount of stuff that I can't find info on in the literature. Questions:

Predisposition to ability: Is there research on this youngest child thing, or is it just something that someone here came up with? (i.e., original research)
Whistle or Flageolet register: I've never heard of this whole E6 controversy. As I understand it, whistle/flageolet is just an artifact of register naming conventions: It's a distinction without a difference. Again, what is the source for all this?
Register use in contemporary recordings and Differences in tone: I don't want to sound anti-information here, but why do we have these sections? We don't have it for "chest voice" or "head voice." I realize that the whistle register is rarer and so I can understand a mention of where it might be heard, but isn't that why we have the category "whistle register singers?" I say we just mention a few prominent names and link to that category. No need to duplicate information.

George 21:12, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Queen of the Night Aria

I think the mention of the Queen of the Night aria should be removed. The note is inded an F6, but from what I've read, opera singers are trained to sing these notes in their head voices. Whistle voice is looked down upon in opera because it can sound too airy. Any other insight? 69.160.116.44 04:47, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

In my experience of the Magic Flute, the whistle register has always been used to produce some of the notes C6 and above in "Der Hölle Rache" (my experience admittedly only consisting of a dozen or so recordings and live performances, in addition to Florence Foster Jenkins's legendary solo recording). Most sopranos who sing the Queen have very light voices and are further trained (like all classical singers) to minimize the timbral difference across registers. For this reason to transition to whistle register may be less obvious in opera singers than it is in pop singers, but it is most assuredly there. You can hear the difference quite clearly in some singers; if I recall, it's fairly noticable in Lucia Popp's performance with Klemperer (though I may be thinking of Gruberova with Haitink - sorry). In any case, I certainly think the reference should stay.

George 07:57, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

In response to the first comment, whistle range is not only not looked down upon, but indeed necessary for any coloratura soprano. Without these notes, she will find herself without gigs and unable to sing much of the repetoire. Properly sung whistle range (actually called the flageolet register, whistle range is a misnomer) would not be an airy sound at all but rather have a very pure sounding clear ring to it. Mention of the Queen of the Night's vengence aria is extremely appropriate because it is likely the most well known aria which employs the flageolet register. theoperagoddess 7:38, 29 November 2005

Thanks for your insight. I wasn't aware that was a proper way to perform these notes. Thanks. 69.160.116.44 05:54, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vocal fry

I realized after posting that last message that the term 'vocal fry' might be unfamiliar jargon to alot of people and so I'll quickly cover it because it relates to Mariah Carey's ability to hit that A2. The singing instrument has membranes that envelope the primary vocal folds or 'true folds'. They don't make noise but the good thing about them is they resonate sympathethically to a frequency harmonically related to what you get from your true folds (this is typically an octave lower but you can go beyond that at the cost of sounding less like a voice and more like a motor especially if your throat, face and pharynx are not relaxed). So when it is said that Mariah can sing some arbitrary low note that could either mean she does it with her true folds (doubtfull) or else some function or the false folds resonating well enough to drown out the higher note. To hear a good example of the technique you could listen to Queesryche's Geoff Tate (a true virtuouso), or just about any good death metal singer, or even Tibetan monk chanting. I would also have anyone reading this consider notions of "humanly impossible" notes or sounds or whatever. It's true that the vocal cords are able to stretch so far but in the realm of acoustic sound amplification the fundamental tone is only a fraction of the sonic experience and often times doesn't even translate to the audience under certain circumstances. It's good to think of any parody you've seen of a female opera singer belting out an insanely high pitch note and breaking glass. Those notes need to be a non-whistle vocalization to generate a tone that will resonate clearly enough to break glass but it goes to demonstrate how much freedom there really is in the realm of un-inhibited singing.

Has Sarah McLachlan really hit a note in the whistle register on a recorded song? If so, which one? I can't seem to recall any, but I can't say that I've heard her whole collection. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 18:59, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Olivia Newton-John

In which recording did she hit a note in the whistle register? I'm worried that this article is based on apocrypha. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 18:45, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Olivia Newton-John

Since the only requirement for admission into the "whistle register club" is being able to hit an E6 or higher in vocal pitch, many more people technically qualify than you may think. There is a song (the name escapes me) where Olivia is on a floating dock on a moat. In that song, she hits a very high soprano pitch. I have never heard Kelly Clarkson hit such a note, but didn't delete the information because I HAVE heard Ashanti pitch everything but a true glass breaker, but a lot of people who haven't would think she has no business on the list. I just think its important for people to realize just how high the pitch is, because Amel Larrieux (although she is a GREAT soprano), barely cuts the mark. I was tempted to delete her from the list. Jill Scott hits it high in her song Gimme, but not high enough to qualify (although she probably could if pushed). I couldn't verify the info on Tireh or Artimius Hollins (the latter entries keep being added in a way that suggests a falsehood, firstly he can hit a brief C8# (after I added the info on the RUMORED C8 for Minnie, Mariah and Adam. Then after the section on Differences was added and melisma was attributed to Mariah and staccato to Terry Ellis, all of the sudden the entry returns, stating:

In 2005, a male recording artist Tireh age 21 assumed the title for not only possessing the highest vocal range (5.4 octaves), vocal note (C8) and octave count of any artist in the history of music both male and female, but also having the ability to clearly speak in the A7 key which has never been done in history.Finally, Artimius Hollins of Atlanta, Georgia uses the whistle register often in live venues. He is known for F7 and C8. After hearing him, he usesmelisma andstaccato to soar into his upper-octave range.

that is pure crap for a start. He claims to have a 7 octave range, not 5.4.

and he never had a world record at all. If you can speak clearly on an A7, trust me when I say you could go a LOT higher. And so would Mariah, Adam, and Rachelle. According to Guinness, the records are still with Mariah and Adam. Also, suddenly Artimius uses melisma and staccato. While not impossible, these are fairly opposite methods of voice production. Melisma requires multiple pitches in a single word, while staccato require a light, short, distinct sound on each note (in other words, you must perfect and separately execute each pitch). Finally, in an earlier post he is known for a brief C8#. rigghhtt....????....

Sorry, I'm getting of my soapbox :-)

Antares33712 21:28, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

I remember there was such an Olivia Newton-John music video (sitting in a small boat, camera on a higher angle; willow in the foreground ... I guess). I cannot remember the title of that sing and any other thing about that song. -- Toytoy 14:38, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kelly Clarkson

Kelly Clarkson hit a whistle note on American Idol during the first season. I don't recall the song or episode - I simply remember seeing it. Hopefully someone has more information about this.

--Acero2310 21:33, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

I never heard Kelly Clarkson pitch a whistle registered high note, but this claim of G7# and brief c8# by Artimius of Atlanta needs investigation. Adam Lopez of Brisbane, Austrailia hit A7 for some talk show (the note and surrounding talk is somehwere on the 'Net) and both he and Mariah have records for highest pitch in voice. Since only rumors exist of Minnie Riperton, Mariah Carey, and Adam Lopez (no confirmed proof) hitting a C8 (and we know them as leaders of the pack in this register), can we really trust this information.

Kelly Clarkson hit a whistle note during Natural Woman on American Idol. Here's and mp3: http://rapidshare.de/files/7866697/Kelly_Clarkson_-_Natural_Woman.mp3.html

Just as a heads up - I've just downloaded the mp3, and I'll make a proper comment as soon as I get a chance. Thanks for your contribution. George 00:24, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, the note is supposed to be an F#6, but Kelly got an E6 before slipping up. But she managed to hold the F#6, which means she can touch the lower part of the whistle register.

Well, but even if that was a fluke, you have to admit her high range (the C5 - G5) is very good.

[edit] New edit

I disagree with this new edit. This isn't Mariah's article, it's about the whistle register. I think we should revert this edit. Oh and by the way, thanks Acero2310 for helping me prove my point! Antares33712 21:44, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I reverted the edit. Sorry, but if edits to the article must not gut the rest of it. The previous edit actually created two sections on the greatest singers in this register (ok, ok, POV), but the result was a sharp slant toward Mariah. Then after hanging in the section was the end sentence of the original third section (now inside the new Mariah section where it doesn't belong. If we are to add sections for Minnie and Mariah, why stop there. Surely, we could contrast them with say Ashanti, so has the ability and doesn't use it, OR Shanice, who hasn't achieved mainstream fame despite having the ability. Or even the overlooked Tamar Braxton or Rachelle Farrell. If we are going to treat this article fairly, then that means discussing the whistle register as it applies and as a singer applies to it. We can't promote any one singer out (and YES! I LOVE MARIAH, SO DON'T EVEN THINK I EVER DON'T). I've playued her new CD non-stop since I first bought it two weeks ago. Maybe we could add a new category for singers who can access the register? There we could boast more about their individual abilities. But I feel that this article should be an intellectual one to discuss the register, not anyone's individual abilities in it (except where that info relates directly into discussing the register) Antares33712 22:07, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Adam Lopez controversy

Please visit Talk:Adam Lopez and Wikipedia:Reference desk#Adam Lopez for more information. Thank you! -- Toytoy 14:10, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed ?

Would you please state in a couple of sentences what, exactly about the article you're disputing, so readers will know which part you consider factually inaccurate? Thanks Quill 21:54, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Only the info on Adam Lopez. His article, Adam Lopez, states that he has the record for hitting a C#8 (but he hit an E8 on the show)? Why isn't the record for the E8 he hit. Then a link is provided to verify the record, but Guinness only says a record for male vocal for a D7. A blunt discrepancy Antares33712 22:54, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

just to add to the adam thing, you have to professionally record a demo and has a witness from guiness for it to be verified. seeing as how he did it for an interview, it isn't credited. the guiness site hasn't been updated in a very long time either. but i seen the show, and he is verified as having the new C#8 record.

[edit] Artimius Hollins

I don't claim to be a know-it-all, but who is Artimius Hollins? If he is authentic, kindly click on the red link and create an article about him. The information that keeps being added about him seems dubious and designed to make him stick out against the current hoopla in the article itself. For example, after we started talking about MAriah's melisma and Terry's staccato, this guys uses melisma and staccato (they are fairly opposite musical vehicles). C8 rare and Minine reverred for her F#7? Mariah's highest note G#7. Well he uses F7, G7 and brief C8. If this guys is real, why is it so difficult to add a bio page about (discuss his accomplishments) and most importantly add him to the whistle register singer category and PROVIDE links so we can hear his singing (especially the high notes). I know Jesse Powell goes high, and Adam Lopez is fairly well known amongst whistle register enthusiasts, and I've hear of a guy named Tireh, but this guy? Dubious....that's my thought.

Antares33712 18:00, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] RfC

A RfC has been requested. Could the parties involved clearly and briefly explain their positions? Thanks. Dan100 (Talk) 22:28, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Breaking glass

The article currently states, "Though it is true that a properly pitched whistle register tone can shatter glass, it has until recently only been demonstrated with the aid of electronic amplification. The television show Mythbusters successfully recorded Jaime Vendera shattering a crystal goblet using his unamplified voice." This seems to me to be implying that this is the first time (or the first time on television) that this has been demonstrated, unamplified. This is not true. It was demonstrated in the late 70s or, more likely, the first half of the 80s on a t.v. show in England, almost certainly on the BBC. Obviously my memory is more than a little hazy here. Anyway, could we please consider rewording that paragraph, or are people unwilling to accept such an uncited recollection? --Yamla 20:45, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

"Hi there. I was just browsing and came across the article on Whistle register. I see that on the talk page you commented (some time ago) about a programme in the 70s/80s where someone demonstrated the "shatter a glass by singing" thing. I wonder: could you be thinking of Think of a Number (or perhaps its sequel Think Again), a children's maths and science programme presented by Johnny Ball on the BBC? The dates are right. And I think I saw the same thing :) Telsa (talk) 17:15, 26 April 2006 (UTC)"

Telsa is almost certainly correct, I am sure this is the show I was thinking about. --Yamla 17:23, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

RedWordSmith modified the page today to read, "... a properly pitched whistle register tone can shatter glass when amplified." I'm presuming this is because, at least on MythBusters, the glass shattering happened with a note that was not in the whistle register. For this reason, I'm adding a note to the page stating that the unamplified human voice can shatter glass. --Yamla 14:37, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Why is Julie Andrews Credited for singing in the whistle register to break a crystal wine glass on Victor/Victoria when that note is Bb5? I dont doubt she can sing that high but still alot of ppl can sing Bb5. 67.181.94.96 12:47, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

The MythBusters episode seems to suggest that it is not a note in the whistle register that breaks glass, and the very phrasing of this segment of the article seems to confirm this. If this is the case, then how is whistle register famous for being used to break glass? Seems to me that it is alleged to break glass but it is in fact a lower note that actually accomplishes this. -Lvthn13 09:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

it's probable the Bb5 is whistle register. The segment saying it is only notes over E6 is utterly erroneous.--I'll bring the food 04:02, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Maybe so, I'm not a music expert, I just note what appears to be a logical contradiction in the article. One way or another, this ought to be addressed and corrected. However, in the MythBusters episode in question, one of the hosts, who presumably cannot sing in whistle register, managed to produce the correct pitch for shattering glass, he simply failed to sing powerfully enough to completely break the glass. -Lvthn13 20:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Whistle Register or Mariah Carey?

While Ms. Carey is the most famous modern example of a person able to sing in this range, the article seems to contain *way* too much information about her and her songs, with several references somewhat redundant.

We may want to consider scaling back the mentions of Mariah Carey. Just my opinion.

Mariah hits a C3 in both "My All" and "I Don't Wanna Cry". Since A2 is two whole steps lower and we all know a singer rarely uses the absolute TOP or BOTTOM note professionally, I believe this.

However, Mariah has been known to over exploit her vocal range. The note at the end of "My All" was a B2, not and A2. She has hit A2 onstage, not in the song.

IT is my beleif that Mariah may use her range a-hell-of-a-lot but this is because she can. If you were a singer able to sing in the seventh octave and then jump down to base notes....you would do it just cause you can. If you've got it flaunt it and whenever our girl Mariah uses her encredible whistle she uses it well like Minnie and Shanice. We refferance her becasue she's one of the best.

[edit] THE WIDEST VOCAL RANGE SO FAR: GEORGIA BROWN

Have you heard of Georgia Brown? According to 2005 Guinness Book of World Records, the pop star from Brazil is credited to have the widest vocal range (male or female), from G2 to G10. The book said that Georgia possesses a 9 octave range surpassing that of a standard piano keyboard. Her range was measured using a piano, and a Hammond. The G10 though is not a note but rather a frequency which of course cannot be sung at all. It's way beyond any musical value. I wonder if there's anyone out there who's got an audio sample of Georgia Brown's range.

I can find the following: www.rankbrasil.com.br/2004/georgia/default.asp - it's not Guinness, but it's apparently a similar Brazilian institution. It doesn't say 9 octaves - it says 8 - but my Portugese is almost non-existent. Can someone out there help?

George 20:44, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

...Mariah Carey has the most powerful female voice around the globe. Her lowest note till today was A2 and her highest G7...

Mariah has actually sung and "HIT LIVE" a B7 on youtube.com even got my keyboard to check it out i use to be a sceptic but not anymore.

Who can deny the power of Mariah Carey's vocals? But we are supposed to be talking about this Georgia person.

[edit] GEORGIA BROWN AUDIO SAMPLE

SEEN AND HEARD HER AUDIO SAMPLE. Honestly the highest note she sang there was nowhere near the 9th or 10th octave. It could be somewhere between C8 and A8 or even below that range. She didn't even sound as high as Mariah's G#7! This claim needs to be validated not by Guinness, but by a reliable pitch detector. 3 octaves above C7 are almost beyond human hearing. What do you think?

I think it almost doesn't matter. Clearly this person has extraordinary height in the whistle register. If at some point she's certified by a widely recognized record keeping organization, she might deserve a stub article mentioning her world record. Until then she's a very minor pop singer in Brazil and certainly doesn't merit an article in an encyclopedia.

I strongly disagree, however, with using the provided recordings to make some attempt at gauging her vocal range. The video was clearly not recorded under sufficiently controlled conditions, and we have no guarantee that they are her highest notes anyway. For now, we wait for Guinness.

George 20:00, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Add the term "Stratospheric Soprano"?

Does the term "Stratospheric Soprano" belong on this page? Is it a synonym for a soprano that can sing in the whistle register? I had always associated that term with super-high sopranos like Mariah, but I find no mention of it on this page, or in fact anywhere in wikipedia. A quick google shows that it is a commonly used term, but I've never seen a solid definition. Can anyone clarify this term and its relation to the content on this page? Kryzx 18:46, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

When I googled the phrase "Stratospheric Soprano" I got 584 results, which is a very small number for this sort of terminology - compare 37,500 for "dramatic soprano" and 47,200 for "heldentenor." When it does appear, it is almost inevitably used in adjectival form, rather like saying "She has a very high soprano voice." It also does not appear in any standard musical reference that I can find - for instance, it is not in the Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians. Personally, this is the first time I've ever heard the term, and I've been studying and/or teaching voice for some years. I don't think it belongs in this encyclopedia.

George 19:48, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] How to add a singer to this list?

How to add a singer to this list?

The singer Sebastian Vilas, also can sing in this registry. Also R&B singers Chante Moore and Tamar Braxton (Toni Braxton's younger sister) can sing in this registry as well.

Web: [1]

Media:http://sebas83.shinranet.com/audios/muestra_whistle_02.mp3

Media:http://sebas83.shinranet.com/audios/muestra_whistle_003.mp3

To add a singer, simply create a new article for him/her, then include anywhere in that article the text [[Category:Whistle register singers]]. For help creating a new article, see the article Help:Starting a new page.

George 08:57, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Hey! thanks! :o)

I'm not sure these singers should be added to this page. If they didn't even have their own wiki pages, they can't be that notable. I've never heard of them. Perhaps it would be more appropriate to simply make note of this in their own article pages and provide a link back to this article rather than adding them to this article. --Yamla 16:30, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] drama

wow lol this is sooo much drama!!! anyways. ummm i just wanna state that unless you have proof(a sample) of someone singing that high, they shouldn't be listed. I have capability of singing E6 in both head voice and whistle register, in fact my highest note i sang was G7. and im also a male and yes my voice has changed. its hard of coarse but yeah. my vocal range is B1-F#7 just basically because i donno if i wanna sing that high G again. but yeah ashanti to me cannot even sing a all! i grew up to most of these artists songs. mariah carey has always been my favorite artist and i credit her for me being able to sing that high today. Adam lopez credits himself for hitting an E8 but from what i heard it sounded like a normal 7th octave note. and it seems everyday there are more artists being added. i dont hear any samples! but the girl from xscape i have heard hit a B#5 in a song so i dont doubt her capability. but i have to say its not about "producing" a note. to me its singing that note. mariah carey is used alot because she is a popular example of this. if i was to tell one of my friends "the whistle register is the high pitched notes that adam lopez sings" they wouldnt know who he is. mariah is famous because she is so flexible and flaunts her talents. i think everything in this article is necessary but i think more could be added. and in the whistle register singers as i said they need proof. the only singers i've heard sing this high are: Christina Aguilera, Tamar Braxton, Blu Cantrell, Mariah Carey, Rachelle Ferrell, Lisa Fischer, Nina Girado, Rachelle Ann Go, Amel Larrieux, Adam Lopez, MISIA, Chante Moore, Debelah Morgan, Jesse Powell, Minnie Ripperton,(Raven although i havent heard her actually sing that high), Shanice, Jessica Simpson, Yma Sumac, Tireh, Angela Via, and Deniece Williams. Although Julie Andrews, Kandi Burruss, Kelly Clarkson, Cheryl Gamble, Janet Jackson, Beyonce, Patti Labelle, Teena Marie, Michelle Williams(All because of their capabilities of what i know, they can possibly be possible whistle register singers) and all those opera singers, i dont doubt. I am interested in hearing this georgia brown, i was shown this article because i was searching for something that might help me find a sample of her. However i do believe when it comes down to it singing in general is not just pitches but tone, and emotion of the voice. Mariah Carey is a great example of a singer although i believe her vocal prime has past.

I'm delighted to see someone else who has an interest in vocal music on Wikipedia. Unfortunately, popular music singers especially seem to attract a large amount of, well, drama, and that bleeds over into this article and others. Moderate voices are always appreciated. :)

As for the folks you list, most of them already have Wikipedia articles, I suspect. I personally have not enough of their work to comment, but if you feel that they qualify for the "Whitle register singers" category do feel free to add then. It would probably be best not to mention them in this particular article, however, because its about a vocal register and not any praticular singer. One or two examples is enough, I think.

Look forward to seeing more of you!

George 03:15, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

OK people. Here's the deal: Georgia Brown can definitely hit an F8, and does it quite well. I've tested it on a keyboard that ranges from a C five octaves below Mid C (C4) to the equivalent of a G9. Link: http://www.dutchdivas.net/frames2/highC.html about half-way down the page to High Vocal Range. It also has a media file of Adam Lopez reaching a B7, which is amazing. I myself manage to reach an E8 on occassions, but it's not a sound that I would consider an actual flageolet, since the note is reached but not with any sort of control or strength.That's not considered actually singing the note.

Thanks for the contribution. Ms. Brown's pitches are certainly absurdly high, but of course we can't list her on Wikipedia as holding some sort of record until its been verified by a formal organization (e.g., Guinness). To do otherwise is "original research," which is prohibited. On that note, I noticed at the link you gave that Ms. Brown claimed to be in the Guinness Book of Records 2005 edition. I live across the street from a public library and so have just gotten back from looking at this edition [2]. I read any section that might be relevant and the entire index, but there was no mention of Ms. Brown or, indeed, of a widest vocal range category at all. The same is true of the Guinness website. I don't have access to the 2006 edition, but I would appreciate it someone could verify this. -- George 20:36, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Georgia Brown

Her article is in the 2006 edition of Guinness Book. It's available now at any bookstores. Check it out.

Let's give her the credit for hitting that incredible note..as demonstrated in the audio sample. If it's indeed an f8 it is undoubtedly the highest demonstrated note so far. Let's just wait if she can actually effectively USE it in her songs to impress record buyers as what Mariah did at the start of her career. There's more to it than just having the widest vocal range.

It's her highest released note, but not the highest recorded. Adam Lopez had a clip of his B8 up on his site for a while. I can upload it if anyone's interested. 69.160.106.49 22:06, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Adam can hit some encredibly high notes but I don't think he's a sapranista he's more of a baritone with a whistle extension. I would still buy some of his stuff if he can sing those high notes in his music like he did in the audio sample. As for Georgis Brown, she's got the "big head"(EGO LIKE NOBODIES BUSSINESS) but that is beside the point. She also can hit some stratosphiric notes. I think it's safe to say that Minnie Riperton, Mariah Carey, Adam Lopez and the coky Georgia Brown are the leaders when it comes to whistle register.

[edit] Brett manning

what about brett manning? he is another singer with a notable vocal range...there's a vocal sample in his site www.singingsuccess.com and what about Demetrio Stratos? some sites write he can hit a sound of 7000 Hz ...in the 8th octave I think...and sing 3 and 4 sounds in the same time...www.demetriostratos.com but see also www.demetriostratos.it ...what do you think about them?

Neither seem notable enough to even have an article on the Wikipedia yet. This article isn't a list of all people, notable or not, who have ever hit a note in the whistle register. --Yamla 20:04, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Julie Andrews

[edit] Tracie Thoms

If I am not mistaken the High "C" she hit in RENT's "Seasons Of Love" may be high enough to be in the whistle register.

Not even close. You need to be above E6 to be in the whistle register. High C is well below that. --Yamla 22:33, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

It really doesn't matter what the pitch is. As mentioned in the article, "Though the whistle register is most commonly used to produce pitches above E6, it can be used to produce lower pitches." The whistle register is a register, just like chest voice or head voice - in other words, it's a way of producing tones that sounds sufficiently different as to merit its own name. In particular, C6 can certainly be produced in the whistle register. A well-known example is in "Der holle Rache kocht in meinen Herzen" from Mozart's Magic Flute. The famous little stairstep figures that ascend to F6 are done entirely in the whistle register in all recordings I've heard, presumably for timbral consistency. --George 06:35, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, you don't need to be above any note to get into the whistle register. In theory, you could use the whistle register to sing a Middle C. Besides, a High C is only two tones away from an E6, anyway. Highconclave 04:01, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

I've seen her hit that note live. she didnt do a very good job it seemed hard for her. Mariah Carey may not be doing too well lately but recently while recieving an award she talked a D6 while saying hey to the audience showing ease and enunciating perfectly. Myke 05:16, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

We all have our off days, and I've heard Tracie hit that note live aswell and it sounded better than the original version. She looks as if she is putting a lot of effort in it but she SINGS(NOT HITS) the hell out of that note. And not to dog Mariah (I idolize her) but we all know she can hit above an E6 with ease but not every one can. For some it takes effort and Tracie may have needed to push it but she accessed the Whistle Register none the less. She could probably hit an E6 or above if she tried. --Gerald(Multi-octave man) 22:55, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I guess. Lol I never really have off days. The only parts of my voice that are not always perfect are the very bottom and very top few notes. Thats why I never preserve or warm up my voice. It seems pointless since it doesnt make a difference for me. 67.181.94.201 23:30, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

You wanna hear a real version of Seasons of Love? Listen to Frenchie Davis sing it. She makes Tracie seem like an ameteur. She may not have hit the high C but she has a way better voice and sang it her own style. Its an amazing performance. Im addicted to it. Myke 20:58, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

But that is not the point. Tracie Thoms hights the high C in whistle register and that's what we're here to discuss not whether or not she sings as good as Frenchie.vocalE

Yeah thats not whistle. Whistle is either E6 or higher due to tone or a different voice. Whistle voice is alot lighter and airier. Yes she can hit C6 but its not good to asume she can hit E6 just by hitting C6. Unless you have a clip of her hitting E6, then it can be held as proof. 67.181.94.201 08:10, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

If you were lestining the Whistle Register can be used to produce notes lower than E6 as long as is has that screamy/flutety/whistely quality and to me it sounds like Whistle in a low tone.vocalE

Yeah and I can produce whistle as low as A5. Lower than A6, you can tell if its Whistle or another vocal register. Hers is not. At C6 its very easy to tell the difference between registers. I know my shit. Thats head. Mariah can sing as low as G5 in whistle and some as low as C5. Whistle is either the register of voice that is airy(and light until about the 7th octave where it has a stronger tone) not like her C6, or E6+ because of the whistle-like or fluety sound it may have. This is coming from someone who knows this from personal talent. I can tell the difference between registers unless its between head or falsetto which Im pretty sure hers is head since head souds like chest but lighter and is sung higher. I can hit C6 in falsetto and reach as high as G#6 but prefer to sing lower than E6 in it. 71.139.82.172 04:32, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citation for "Der Hölle Rache"

You can download the full score of the Magic Flute at the Magic Flute Project. This aria in particular is available in PDF at [3]. --George 21:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Head Register

Head register is another division. There should be a Head Register List for those capable of singing high in Head(Whatever high is considered.) --24.162.74.108 09:01, 10 August 2006 (UTC)Blueandgold200

We have an article at head register already. Perhaps we're thinking of different things, but I don't think there's anything particularly special about people who can sing in the head register: Everyone can sing in the head register. According to any theory of registration I know of everyone has a head voice, so a list of head voice singers would be conterminous with everyone on Earth. Perhaps you could make a list of people who are particularly good with head voice, but that would be tremendously subjective (unlike the whistle register, where it's either there or not there) and again would be huge: Every opera singer, every well-trained pop singer, and so on. --George 22:03, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

This should be called Superhead(since most people consider superhead the upper reaches of the head voice above Eb6 which have a different color and feeling) but the only problem is, its hard to distinguish between registers most times. So its better to leave this as it is. Flageolet register and Whistle register are two different things. Flageolet is the fluety, whistle-like, or bird-like notes above Eb6 in head or falsetto. Whistle is a vocal register which is like the difference between head and falsetto which mainly lies in the 6th and 7th octaves but can physically be from the 4th to above human hearing or the 10th octave. However there is a break in the register in the upper 7th octave where the adam's apple must be lowered to reach higher octaves. This is even more rare but can be learned as seen from Adam Lopez. These reaches have less of a human sound. 69.225.232.121 21:17, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Latin American Idol Winner

Shouldn't there be a list of famous Whistle register users in Wikipedia? I know for sure the winner of the first season of Latin American Idol, venezuelan singer Mayré Martínez, recurs profusely to it to achieve high notes. Maybe an administrator should consider it. --Espazolano 01:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

The page you're looking for is Category:Whistle register singers. Powers ^T 03:18, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kandi Burruss

I'm adding Kandi Burruss because in her hit song Understanding she cleary does a whistle register with no fear. I have live videos and the video made for the song, and on her song My little secret she hits another whistle register so watch the videos and be amazed.

Understanding -Live- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTclBB4DMog

Understanding -Video- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiR4qOk8TH0

My little secret http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjOLerYwK2A

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