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[edit] China

[edit] Zong Pu

This person may or may not be notable, but the article doesn't show it and provides no information to allow further research. Delete. --Nlu (talk) 05:31, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Keep interwikied; Chinese version (zh:宗璞) seems to demonstrate notability (multiple sources). cab 09:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Keep, it's a little stub, but there is a lot of information about this person in Chinese wikipedia.SISLEY 09:32, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Speedy Keep There is additional material even in English to insert. There are 1730 ghits, most of them real. I have added some articles and other references. A totally inexplicable nomination. I do not understand not even looking at the first page of Google results!DGG 00:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Keep for the moment, it has been sourced.. Baristarim 04:35, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Keep. She's actually a very well-known Chinese author, and extremely important to the Chinese literary scene. Just hope other people will have to add more information .

[edit] Zhu Xiao Di

Reads like advertising and does not really show notability. Delete. --Nlu (talk) 05:29, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Keep, the article is messy, but it doesn't mean this person's article should not be in wikipedia. SISLEY 09:31, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Delete - the article is a mess and asserts no notability (sources etc) whatsoever. Baristarim 04:35, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jia Pingwa

Insufficient assertion of notability, as the only thing that appears to do so is a link to an award that he won that, however, does not have its own notability shown. Delete. --Nlu (talk) 03:59, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Keep. I'm not sure why you are doing this, you can translate the information in Chinese wikipedia instead of trying to delete all the articles about some Chinese people. SISLEY 09:36, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Delete. This article fails WP:ATT, WP:NN, is just about the shortest possible stub, hasn't been touched in months, and interestingly enough, the only Google hits for the so-called "Hongloumeng Prize" that is the subject's sole claim to notability are this article and the (Chinese language) web page linked within it. More damning, while the Google translation claims that this prize was awarded in Hong Kong, the Hong Kong Google has no more hits than the English one. I'm not sure myself upon what grounds SISLEY is objecting, because nom's reasoning is perfectly clear, and seemingly justified. RGTraynor 17:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Keep. RGTraynor, I'm puzzled why you didn't just search jin pingwa hong kong into good ol' American Google to find Jia's award from Hong Kong Baptist University, or this and this page, which show scholarly articles were written on Jia's work. hateless 20:50, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- and one more link: this book is a whole book, 318 pages full, dedicated to his writings. In English, no less. hateless 20:52, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Keep' I have just added: A rating as the 3rd most popular Kung fu writer in China, the reference for the award mentioned above, the book mentioned above from Routledge, a reputable academic press--and its long review in a scholarly periodical, an article in China Daily, and two English language articles from journals--all from the first 20 ghits of the ,12,800 for "jia pingwa" I cannot imagine why the Chinese sources have less. I cannot imagine why this was nominated without checking at least the English google. There seems to be considerable biographic material available even in English. The thing to do when one sees a stub is to try to expand it. DGG 23:42, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Guo Jingming

is this person really notable enough? Gut feeling is no, but I want to see what folks think. Delete. --Nlu (talk) 03:45, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Keep. I don't know why you do not put messages like this in Chinese wikipedia if you really think this person is not important. SISLEY 09:38, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Keep - the china.com.cn article cited certainly demonstrates notability: "Guo Jingming ranks the 93rd on Forbes' list of Chinese celebrities in 2004. He is arguably the most famous young commercial writer in China." -- BPMullins | Talk 13:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletions. -- ⇒ bsnowball 10:06, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chen Ran

No assertion of notability other than the list of works -- and the notability of the works themselves was not asserted, and it's not even clear what her genre is. Delete. --Nlu (talk) 04:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Keep, there are lots of works in the article, and you have articles with less information. SISLEY 09:25, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Keep, author and her works are non-trivially covered in multiple journal articles such as [1][2][3][4]. cab 09:39, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletions. cab 09:39, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Keep per cab. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 18:18, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chang Tsi

Effectively an unsourced article since the source relied on provides insufficient information as to this person's identity (and given that, the person, if he existed, cannot really be referred to as a "famous" poet). Delete unless more information as to identify is provided. --Nlu (talk) 22:54, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Uncertain: From Chinesw wikipedia:

天寶十二載（753年）進士，曾任檢校祠部員外郎、洪州鹽鐵判官。大歷末（779年），伉儷歿於洪州[1]。有《張祠部詩集》。在唐代詩人中，張繼不算大家，也不是名家，宋人葉夢得《石林詩話》記載其詩在南宋時僅存三十多首。《全唐詩》中，只存四十餘首。《楓橋夜泊》是他最著名的詩，作於天寶十五載流寓蘇州時，这首诗首先被选入高仲武編選的《中兴间气集》，後又選入《唐诗三百首》。高仲武評張繼詩：「員外累代詞伯，積習弓裘。其於為文，不自雕飾。及爾登第，秀發當時。詩體清迥，有道者風。」「比興深矣。」其事蹟見於辛文房《唐才子傳》。 According to this, he became a scholar in 753. In terms of Tang poet, He is not a huge poet; Record show that he only have 30 poems left by Song dynasty, while The "Complete Poem Collection of Tang" he only contributed 40. However, he did contributed<<楓橋夜泊>>, which is collected in the "300 Tang Poems", and most famous chinese poem anthology. 142.58.101.27 00:52, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Delete - No assertion of notablity.--Bryson^{Talk}^{Edits} 02:38, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Expert opinion needed In the view of those who understand its significance, is any poet with a poem in the 300 Tang Poems notable?DGG 04:02, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I know Li Bai's poem is there... can someone check? 142.58.101.27 04:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- My opinion is that not all poets who had a poem in there qualifies. The problem with this article, again, though, is that it doesn't establish which Chinese poet the name "Chang Tsi" corresponds to. --Nlu (talk) 05:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
  - Well, the people at the relevent national WikiProject are probably more likely to be able to figure this out than a bunch of random AfD voters cab 09:32, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletions. cab 09:32, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Li Dawei

No real assertion of notability. Delete. --Nlu (talk) 04:08, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Weak delete. from the article, does sound a bit notable, but i must say, there are billions of chinese, if every notable chinese person were given a page, well, it would engulf Wikipedia. Perhaps more stringent notability requirements are necessary for chinese people? Not being racist, just to keep the number manageable.Jörg Vogt 07:31, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry I may misunderstanding, my reading of your proposal appear to be racism - separate rule for Chinese is unfair, we Chinamen are humanity also.Wen Hsing 08:49, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
  - The existing notability criteria (multiple instances of non-trivial coverage in reliable sources) are emphatically fine; Wikipedia is not paper. The existence of this article doesn't interfere with the creation of articles about other notable authors in your country. cab 08:56, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Keep Added sources. Seems at least weakly notable; his latest book 卡通猫的美国梦 got reviewed by a major Chinese newspaper (南方都市報, dunno what they call it in English) [5], and he himself was written about as well as a Chinese magazine in Germany.[6] Incidentally [7] claims he won the 2000 prize from October (a decently-reputable literary magazine in China), but I'm still trying to verify this. cab 08:56, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletions. cab 08:58, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Keep, he's more notable than other people you have in wikipedia.SISLEY 09:27, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- See WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. The closing administrator may choose to disregard your vote unless you provide a more convincing reason to keep the article. Cheers, cab 10:10, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

In this case, it is a BIG reason to keep the article, you guys can see what Nlu is doing again the articles about Chinese people which are not in Chinese wikipedia without considering what it's in this one or other wikipedias, because this article is also in French, German and Spanish. This article contains details of Li Dawei's life and his works, it has references, etc,etc. SISLEY 16:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

The German, French, and Spanish versions of the article do not provide any additional information that would show notability, either. --Nlu (talk) 18:29, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Keep Several major books, several reviews of his work. There's no problem finding reasons to keep. There is probably considerably more to be found, as is the case of some similar AfDs today.DGG 23:49, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hong Kong Articles for Deletion

[edit] Wah Yan College Cats

Previously deleted per CSD and later restored. There is little established notability to justify the existence of this article. It appears to be dominated heavily by content which has not been attributed properly - most likely original research, as the article history shows that it has only been edited by one registered editor. Additionally per notability guidelines for organizations, there appears to be insufficient secondary reliable sources out there to support this article. At most, I can see this article having a section in the Wah Yan College article, but not its own. Luke! 05:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Added some references, removed some redundant parts.--:Raphaelmak: [talk] [contribs] 06:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Ah yes, also see a search on the organization's Chinese name (華仁愛貓組). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Raphaelmak (talk • contribs) 06:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

Delete Lovely work, although it doesn't belong to Wikipedia.--K.C. Tang 07:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Merge to Wah Yan College, Hong Kong - although it may not have gained enough notablility, however, per WP:NOTE and WP:MERGE: "One common recommendation across all notability guidelines is not to nominate articles on such subjects for deletion but to rename, refactor, or merge them into articles with broader scopes, or into the articles that discuss the main subject, which may be created if they do not already exist."; "If a page is very short and cannot or should not be expanded terribly much, it often makes sense to merge it with a page on a broader topic." I think it is possible to merge it with an article of broader scope, in this case, Wah Yan College, Hong Kong.--:Raphaelmak: [talk] [contribs] 08:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Weak keep I figured it was just something made up in school one day, but it looks like they got themselves written about in Ming Pao? [8] Can someone with a subscription take a look at that? Thanks, cab 09:45, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hong Kong-related deletions. cab 09:45, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Comment What's the policy on secondary school organisations? I think I remember an article about some computer programming team at La Salle getting deleted. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 18:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Comment Will this camp expand to be a large nonprofit shelter home? One of the links said the organization applied for "financial assistance from the Quality Education Fund (QEF)". At the moment the contents are quite personal, like the name of cats etc. This page is linked from Animal Cruelty. You sure you want this to represent animal shelters in Hong Kong?? Benjwong 21:51, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Delete There doesn't seem to me much encyclopedia-worthy content worth merging. Of course, we could decide to IAR from here on, and keep all well-written or clever articles in WP regardless of subject. It would simplify some of these discussions. DGG 01:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Other Hong Kong deletion discussions

[edit] Macau

[edit] Taiwan

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