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Contents 1 Categories 2 Collaborations of the Month 3 Articles 3.1 National Churches 3.2 Straw poll 3.3 Anglican doctrine 3.4 List of Anglican dioceses 3.5 Supreme Governor of the Church of England needs your help 4 Useful sources 5 Naming conventions 6 Task forces 7 Templates 8 Categories 9 Claims in non-Anglican articles 9.1 Nun 10 Saint of the day

[edit] Categories

[edit] Collaborations of the Month

The March collaboration has been decided - it is William Wilberforce. Per the guidelines, the unsuccessful nominees will be automatically placed in renomination for April. This is what we should have been doing all along - my apologies. Fishhead64 17:09, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Articles

[edit] National Churches

I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas about how to structure articles relating to the various Provinces and Churches of the communion. There's a range of different styles, for example, the Church of England is structured thus:

1. Theology and sociology
2. Governing and administration
3. Appointments
4. History
5. Related churches
6. Financial situation

Then looking at the Anglican Church of Canada, there is:

1. Official Names of the Anglican Church of Canada
2. History
   1. Origins of the Anglican Church in British North America
   2. Colonial period
   3. Autonomy
   4. Expansion and division
   5. The twentieth century
3. Structure
4. Ecumenical relations
5. Liturgy and service books
6. Social issues and theological division
7. Cathedrals and notable parishes of the Anglican Church of Canada

I was thinking it would probably be worth having a common style for the articles, as they should probably all be high or top priorities for the project. Perhaps sections on History, Theology/Liturgy, Structure (i.e. (arch)bishops, dioceses etc), Issues/Divisions? Need to thresh this out a wee bit! — PMJ 15:35, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi PMJ - first, I hope you don't mind that I reformatted your list concerning the ACC, since "Origins" through "Twentieth Century" are actually subsections of "History."

Second, thanks for flagging this issue. I would also add the following

ECUSA:

1. Overview
2. Beliefs and practices
   1. Worship styles
   2. Book of Common Prayer
   3. Liberal and conservative
   4. Theology
   5. Social teaching
3. Polity
4. Saints
5. History

Personally, I think any article on a Province of the Communion should begin with a short description: Its name, location, size, and a few other brief words about its important characteristics. Then the following structure:

1. History
2. Membership (demographics, size, etc.)
3. Structure (or Organization)
4. Doctrine and practice (kind of interchangeable in Anglicanism!)
   1. Social issues
   2. Ecumenical relations
5. Worship and liturgy

Thoughts? Fishhead64 16:47, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Fishhead64! That's what you get for cutting and pasting... I generally agree with your structure suggestion - definitely the brief introduction as you say. Doctrine and practice would be a useful heading, as there would be several subheadings that could go beneath here (which may or may not be relevent, based on the particular province). I'm not sure where I would place Worship and liturgy. I might be inclined to put it above Doctrine and practice, although when you have churches with a wide variety of traditions, like the C of E, then it makes sense to have it below... — PMJ 18:08, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

On consideration, I think "Worship and liturgy" above "Doctrine and practice," actually, since the latter flows from the former. Lets get some more input here, and if people are okay with it, we can at least the subheadings in the national church articles, which will hopefully encourage fleshing-out. I'll post a note about this discussion on the national church articles. Fishhead64 18:13, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Straw poll

The proposal is to have a standard format for all articles on the Communion. An article on a Province of the Communion would begin with a short description: Its name, location, size, and a few other brief words about its important characteristics. Then the following structure:

1. History
2. Membership (demographics, size, etc.)
3. Structure (or Organization)
4. Worship and liturgy
5. Doctrine and practice (kind of interchangeable in Anglicanism!)
   1. Social issues
   2. Ecumenical relations
   3. (Other subheadings)
6. References
7. See also
8. External links

Please indicate whether you support or oppose use of this template. If you do oppose it in its present form, please suggest amendments or alternatives. We can then insert the template headings in relevant articles as a way of standardizing the format and encouraging article development. Fishhead64 18:36, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Support

• This looks good to me. -- Bpmullins | Talk 21:40, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Also, we may want to call these articles Provinces instead of National Churches. Several of the provinces in the Communion cross national boundaries - Ireland, Jerusalem and the Middle East, and Melanesia occur off the top of my head. -- Bpmullins | Talk 00:15, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Bear in mind that many national churches contain two or more "provinces", e.g. York and Canterbury in the CofE. Carolynparrishfan 04:12, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
• I'd support this too. In reply to Wassupwestcoast, I think most of the names section would come under History or the introduction. I'd also say the Prayer book section would come under the Liturgy section. — PMJ 15:30, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
• This looks good. I'll also add an example to back up Carolyn's caution: the church in Australia is divided into provinces which roughly correspond to states. Claudine C. (talk) 01:04, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
• I dug out an old ECUSA Red Book and counted. Then, there were five national churches with multiple provinces: Australia, Canada, England, Ireland, and the US. There were nine that crossed national borders: Central Africa, Southern Cone, East Asia, Indian Ocean, Jerusalem and the Middle East, Melanesia, Southern Africa, West Africa, and West Indies. IMO we should err on the side of sensitivity to the 'rest of the world'. -- BPMullins | Talk 01:49, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

The issue is the difference between a province of the Communion (as they are described by the Anglican Communion website), which may or may not cross national boundaries, and ecclesiastical provinces, which are contained within them. They're two different beasts, but both properly called provinces. The Anglican Church of Canada is a province of the Anglican Communion, containing four ecclesiastical provinces, one of which is the Ecclesiastical Province of Canada. Confusing, no? Fishhead64 22:58, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

• Oppose. I oppose but only on two technicalities: first, that the "Names" should have its own section. A number of churches in the communion have either official indigenous non-English names or a plethora of old and discarded official names. For examples, see the Scottish Episcopal Church and - as already mentioned - the ACC. Such a section would be too long for the introduction. Second, a "Prayer Book" section should be added. Oxford University Press has recently published The Oxford Guide to The Book of Common Prayer: A Worldwide Survey": the 640 page book examines the versions, variations and alternative prayer books in the communion. It isn't just the 1662 Book of Common Prayer anymore. So, a "Prayer Book" section could expand on local variants. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast 23:17, 10 February 2007 (UTC).

Other comments

[edit] Anglican doctrine

I have made extensive changes and additions to Anglican doctrine - an article I think will be vital in the ongoing covenant/realignmnent focus. Please look it over and see what you think. Fishhead64 06:07, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Anglican dioceses

I'm confused about List of Anglican dioceses - since it's actually a list of archbishops and bishops rather than dioceses! — PMJ 00:01, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree, and personally I find it more useful to have a main article about a diocese, and list bishops and archbishops within the diocese article except for significant archbishops eg Canterbury. Claudine C. (talk) 01:06, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Supreme Governor of the Church of England needs your help

Supreme Governor of the Church of England has been tagged "This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards" since November 2005. "The oldest cleanup requests are the highest priority, to prevent embarrassing problems from going unfixed for an indefinite length of time" [1]. Anybody interested in taking a look at this article? Thanks. ----- (Folks, I have to tell you that I find the organization of your WikiProject Anglicanism Talk page here extremely confusing and visitor-unfriendly. If this note should have been posted somewhere else, please move it as appropriate.) -- Writtenonsand 06:43, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Useful sources

[edit] Naming conventions

[edit] Task forces

[edit] Templates

{{Anglicanism2}} is up for deletion. Please contribute to the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 February 9#Template:Anglicanism2. —Angr 19:28, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

See also the new discussion at Template talk:Anglicanism. Fishhead64 22:13, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Categories

[edit] Claims in non-Anglican articles

[edit] Nun

The article Nun has exactly one paragraph on Anglican religious orders, and it reads as follows:

Some churches that are directly descended from the Reformation, such as the Anglicans, and Lutherans, and even Calvinists continue to have small monastic communities, though these generally play a much smaller role in religious practice than in Roman Catholic or Orthodox churches. Outside the churches belonging to the Anglican Communion, most Protestant monastic communities are not organized into formal orders. In some Anglican orders, there are nuns who have been ordained as priests [citation needed].

I thought this was in need of attention because:

• It claims that the Anglican Communion is "directly descended from the Reformation", which is POV.
• Similarly, it calls the Anglican Communion "Protestant", which is POV.
• It's very short.
• It could do with citations (not just for the part about nuns who are priests).

I am not enough of a scholar of these matters to do the work myself, but I thought I'd raise the matter here. The Wednesday Island 16:21, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Saint of the day

A proposal has been made on the talk page of the Portal:Saints for a possible daily update to at least some of the content of the portal. I think that this is a fine idea, but also think that I would want input from others as to which content to feature on which date. I have therefore set up a page for such discussion at Portal:Saints/Saint of the day for interested parties to nominate content related to individual saints they would like to see featured on the portal, and one which particular day, if one is preferred. I am here thinking particularly about possibly including individuals on the days of their feasts, if they have one. Any member of this project is more than welcome to make any nominations they see fit. Please feel free to make any specific suggestions there. John Carter 20:13, 1 April 2007 (UTC)