Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countering systemic bias/Wikipedia:Racism
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[edit] Example of racism
I am keeping this bit of filth for evidence and show.http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_arbitration%2FHis_excellency%2FEvidence&diff=69701704&oldid=69699623
In my own defense: A man has a right to his opinion. I do feel Timothy Usher is a bigot. I do feel that Jews are screwing up the planet (though admittedly Muslims, by far, surpass the Jews in their capacity to destroy things). Look at history. Only recently has it become the norm to like Jews. That only came about after certain countries (eg America) adopted them as the collective dame-in-distress needing shelter and protection. Sort of the precursor to the chihuahua. Before then, Jews were hated in Europe and America alike..And everywhere else. We all know Jews were once banished from most culturally superior European countries. The only reason why Poland took them in was that they had loads of money. Probably the same reason why Washington panders to the now. Point is, alot of people dislike Jews. I'm entitled to, so long as I don't demonstrate that dislike on articles dealing with the topic of Jews. We don't penalize people for not liking things, do we? His Excellency... 00:46, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
this is the sort of thing "white males 18-40 from industrialised mostly christian countries" have to put up with.Hypnosadist 10:34, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wikiracism discussion
I've moved a discussion of Wikiracism to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias/Wikipedia:Racism, because it was obstructively formatted and not obviously relevant to this WikiProject. Ruakh 15:47, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
- Bravo! I was going to do it myself, but you beat me to it. --Improv 20:07, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
- Well, okay, "Thank You" for that, because:
(01.) Moving it is much preferable to what I had repetitively gotten, otherwise: deletion &/or ignorance.
(02.) Indirectly, it sort-of gives me one of the several items that I had chronically requested: a "racism" page.
For the immediate future, I only truly need one other thing: acess to the historylog on the original page, that I might copy what I had written.
Other than that, I would be very willing to limit the bulk of my comments regarding my thoughts on this matter to that page &/or section that you had just now created in my behalf.
So, again, I do, hereby, plead that you would permit me to see the historylog.
I do hope that you would, if anyone other than myself, comments on racism, disability-access, handicappism, handicappist, et al, suggest that they, as well, might therein comment.
Again, I do, hereby, Thank You very much.
Signed, DonFphrnqTaub Persina
screenname: "hopiakuta"
Hopiakuta 16:51, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTOC >;
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Section >;
< http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Section >;
< http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help >.
Wikiracism is proven, demonstrated by the fact that you've deleted a page that I've written on the issue,
& you've even denied me the historylog.
Racist, reprehensible, egomaniac hypocrite,... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hopiakuta (talk • contribs).
[edit] Wiki has one policy: we do whatever we can get away with.
From now on, I must try to remind myself that any time that I mention you, I must try to engage the fact that you are less than half accurate.
Please, at least give me a historylog!!
Please let me have the history-access, at least,...
Better yet, revive the page, & suggest edits. That's your claimed "policy". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hopiakuta (talk • contribs).
[edit] Seemingly fraudulently.
Weaklypedia.
Weaklypaedia.
Actually, you, if you would keep to your implied ethics, would have a wikiproject on internet-racism, dealing w/ the issue both internally, & externally, as well.
I do hope for you to be honest; though, I expect it not. wiki has not proven up to claims nor expectations.
Al E. Wales: "What me racist??"
Hopiakuta 03:16, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
- I have 0 idea what the heck you're talking about. --mboverload@ 03:20, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Because when we do wrong, such as racism, we, including me, often do not recognize the harm. Therefore you do not see the racism on this website.
I am attempting to think of adequate nouns to describe the people here, that would not get deleted.
Will you delete "bunch of 'webholes'"?
How else can I describe racism, If you would deny the appropriate pages to do so??
Wiki is racist. Period.
You want to permit me to prove it?
Then revive my page, & possibly we can improve from this hypocracy.
I do hereby challenge you to be ethical.
But, I do expect to remain underneath the carpet. I do expect you to continue to pretend ignorance, &/or enforce ignorance on yourselves.
Hopiakuta 03:37, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hopiakuta (talk • contribs) .
You keep placing that throughout my messages, everyplace where I employ the title-function. I've been doing that for emphasis. I do do it that way, due to my disabilities, & that is simpler than the other functions which require
more memorization,
& more typing.
But, just one of the many forms of racism, wiki does not believe in disability-access, which is summed in a concept called "handicappism".
One of a very few mentions of disability that I've located is this half-intestined-effort:
Systemic bias of Wikipedia [edit]
The origins of bias
The average Wikipedian on English Wikipedia (1) is male, (2) is technically-inclined, (3) is formally educated, (4) speaks English to an extent, (5) is White, (6) is aged 15-49, (7) is from a predominantly Christian country, (8) is from an industrialized nation, and (9) is more likely to be employed in intellectual pursuits than in practical skills or physical labor. In order to contribute to Wikipedia, a user must have access to both a computer and Internet access and be able to use them. Most of the world's population does not and their views and experience are not directly represented. This includes the developing nations, the population at a lower socio-economic level within industrialized countries and those with disabilities and elderly people. In most countries, minority ethnic and linguistic groups have disproportionately less access to information technology and education than the majority group. This includes, among many others, the First Nations of Canada, the Aborigines of Australia, and economically weaker sections of India. Despite the many contributions of Wikipedians who write English as a non-native language, the English Wikipedia is dominated by editors who grew up in anglophone countries. These also tend to be industrialized nations, accentuating the bias towards contributions from wealthy countries. While areas where English is an official language or where education in English is widespread, such as Germany, the Netherlands, Hong Kong and India, have decent coverage when compared with many other nations, they remain under-represented compared to those countries that speak English natively.
Therein, "disabilities" appears once,
"disabled" appears zero,
"handicappism" appears zero,
"racism" tallies zilch, as well.
I can, certainly, absolutely, empathize w/ how you, & others, think that that addresses the issue.
Well, I could see how I would've thought so, if my experiences had taken a different route.
Racism.
Handicappism.
Just two of your major errors.
But you virulently deny this fact, whch I contend is obvious.
Hopiakuta 04:00, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Again: "webhole(s)".
Hopiakuta 04:06, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Please, revive my page.
Hopiakuta 04:13, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I've copied this from:
< http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&action=edit >.
Hopiakuta 04:39, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Hopiakuta 05:50, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
- I too am having a lot of trouble understanding what you're talking about.
- Re: "Please, revive my page," I don't know which page you're talking about. If you tried to create a page such as Wikiracism, it would considered a neologism (a word created for the article) and would be deleted. Just like if a friend of mine created an article called Singkongbreath to allege that certain people (like me) eat too much garlic - that's not a word in common usage, and the article would be deleted.
- Other comments:
- Many pages get deleted on Wikipedia.
- In case it's not clear, no page here is your page, nor my page. It's an encyclopedia, for verifiable information, which can be ruthlessly edited by anyone, and deleted if it's not suitable. Those are the terms of contributing.
- I wonder if your frustrations come from not understanding the principles of Wikipedia, e.g. avoid neologisms, no original research, verifiability, and NPOV? Please have a read and try and understand Wikipedia, at the same time as we try to understand you.
- There are other sites where you can put material that isn't acceptable at Wikipedia, e.g. try following the external links from Wiki farm.
- -Singkong2005 talk 07:20, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I've been awake far too long, & am currently only partially so.
My typing may slur here more than otherwise.
Now, in addition to everything else, new accusations: new page to promote personal word.
From a beginning,...
I withstood your handicappism, disability-discrimination, other racism, f/ a few years.
When I came across this, it was so offensive, that I said that everywhere that I could think of:
< http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Long_term_abuse/The_Doppleganger&oldid=59341492 >.
You, the lot, derided me f/ doing it wrong, including not knowing how to create a screenname.
Eventually, I'd convinced one of you to disconnect the photograph, which insulted these men on their race & disabilities, not due to content;
[edit] but, due to proximity.
Ever since, I've been derided f/ attempting to find, &/or create, a space to deal w/ the culture that caused the original atrocity.
Yes, the original crime is corrected, due to my lobbying; however, that did not correct the larger issue.
Nor does that apologize to them,..
nor to all disabled,...
nor to all twins,...
nor to all AfroAmericans,...
Furthermore, they deserve a legitimate page.
&, racism, in wiki, does, as well.
But, I'm the only one who's pointed it out.
You've scared away everyone else who's momentarily cared of it.
Deal w/ wiki-hypocracy, or it's likely to become an anachronism.
If you don't like the way I phrase something, then suggest edits.
If you can't do, or say, anything that's very nice about the issue, @ least, please, do the tiny nice of permitting me to
[edit] see
the historylog.
That tiny olivebranch would be helpful.
I had thought, in thinking that someone might be generous, that I could access the historylog, while we would trade revisions.
I was not attempting to be the final arbiter of how the page would remain.
I only contended that someone must start it.
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:racism >.
The fact that you'd deleted it, w/o revising, revizing, it, proved to me that it is ------in fact-------- all the more necessary.
One of a very few mentions of disability that I've located is this half-intestined-effort:
Systemic bias of Wikipedia [edit]
The origins of bias
The average Wikipedian on English Wikipedia (1) is male, (2) is technically-inclined, (3) is formally educated, (4) speaks English to an extent, (5) is White, (6) is aged 15-49, (7) is from a predominantly Christian country, (8) is from an industrialized nation, and (9) is more likely to be employed in intellectual pursuits than in practical skills or physical labor. In order to contribute to Wikipedia, a user must have access to both a computer and Internet access and be able to use them. Most of the world's population does not and their views and experience are not directly represented. This includes the developing nations, the population at a lower socio-economic level within industrialized countries and those with disabilities and elderly people. In most countries, minority ethnic and linguistic groups have disproportionately less access to information technology and education than the majority group. This includes, among many others, the First Nations of Canada, the Aborigines of Australia, and economically weaker sections of India. Despite the many contributions of Wikipedians who write English as a non-native language, the English Wikipedia is dominated by editors who grew up in anglophone countries. These also tend to be industrialized nations, accentuating the bias towards contributions from wealthy countries. While areas where English is an official language or where education in English is widespread, such as Germany, the Netherlands, Hong Kong and India, have decent coverage when compared with many other nations, they remain under-represented compared to those countries that speak English natively.
Therein, "disabilities" appears once,
"disabled" appears zero,
"handicappism" appears zero,
"racism" tallies zilch, as well.
Hopiakuta 10:33, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
It's so difficult to typewrite, possibly we could do better on the
[edit] telephone:
(1207)22-1-5832.
My disabilities make typing painful!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hopiakuta 10:33, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, I'd had a little sleep, finally, & woke to learn that no olivebranch is feasible w/ wiki.
I do wonder whether Or what I would ever say regarding recommending it ever again.
But, racism & handicappism are permanent here.
Goodbye.
Hopiakuta 13:41, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wikiracism discussion
I've moved a discussion of Wikiracism to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias/Wikipedia:Racism, because it was obstructively formatted and not obviously relevant to this WikiProject. Ruakh 15:47, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
- Bravo! I was going to do it myself, but you beat me to it. --Improv 20:07, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
- Well, okay, "Thank You" for that, because:
(01.) Moving it is much preferable to what I had repetitively gotten, otherwise: deletion &/or ignorance.
(02.) Indirectly, it sort-of gives me one of the several items that I had chronically requested: a "racism" page.
For the immediate future, I only truly need one other thing: acess to the historylog on the original page, that I might copy what I had written.
Other than that, I would be very willing to limit the bulk of my comments regarding my thoughts on this matter to that page &/or section that you had just now created in my behalf.
So, again, I do, hereby, plead that you would permit me to see the historylog.
I do hope that you would, if anyone other than myself, comments on racism, disability-access, handicappism, handicappist, et al, suggest that they, as well, might therein comment.
Again, I do, hereby, Thank You very much.
Signed, DonFphrnqTaub Persina
screenname: "hopiakuta"
Hopiakuta 16:51, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Hopiakuta 17:00, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias/Wikipedia:Racism
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias/Wikipedia:Racism >.
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- I can't do that and don't know if it's possible. Have you contacted the person who deleted it? (Click the deletion log when you try to view the page you created).
If you want a copy to recreate a page on Wikipedia, which has already been judged not to be encyclopedic content, you may not get much support. However, if you want to put it on a separate site, you would hopefully get some sympathy. --Singkong2005 talk 09:35, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
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