Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Macintosh/Archive 1

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First project?

The whole point of a WikiProject is so people can work together on an article, and so far, we haven't suggested one. How about starting with Apple Macintosh? It's had peer reveiw, former featured article candidacy, all that's needed now is work. --HereToHelp (talk) 15:31, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Right, sounds good - to get the Apple Macintosh article featured we need to fulfill the FAC requests, which are on the Talk page which has a todo list on it at Talk:Apple Macintosh. I think maybe we should create a hot topics list of the best topics to work on at Wikipedia:WikiProject Macintosh/lists/Hot topics, and add this to the Project Macintosh template as well when this has been done. — Wackymacs 15:57, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

That sounds right to me. But, do we bring our ideas for each "hot topic" to that article's talk page.. or discuss them here?

t-bte288-c 21:00, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

On the article's talk pages. This wikiproject page is just for simple guidelines, to bring people together, and to outline which articles need working on (thus the lists linked to from the main template on the project page). — Wackymacs 21:02, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Hot topics

I have created a hot topics section on the project page outlining the main topics that need work on first, before the other topics in the subject-specific lists. — Wackymacs 21:04, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

How do I join?

I didn't know that there's a Mac project! How do I join? (where is the member page?) Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 12:53, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Its simple, the instructions are on the page in the Participants section. — Wackymacs 13:29, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, this project is pretty new, so we don't have a lot of people and so it's just a member section. --HereToHelp (talk) 19:16, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

When do we nominate Apple Mac for FA?

I've done extensive revision, I'm itching to get this to FA status. Bu if you think otherwise...--HereToHelp (talk) 14:47, 10 December 2005 (UTC) When it fits the FA criteria and fixes the issues mentioned in the last FA, and fixes the FA issues mentioned on the todo list on the Talk:Apple Macintosh page.Wackymacs 11:26, December 10, 2005 (UTC)

Okay. I've taken the liberty of crossing a bunch of stuff out on the todo list; if you think the issue still needs to be adressed, take out the strikethrough. Meanwhile, I think we're almost there. The big issue is is the length. Can we really get it under 40k? 45 sounds more reasonable and achievable. The following examples are all FA. Evolution and Mozilla Firefox are both 46k; Wikipedia is 48; and Diamond is 62!--HereToHelp (talk) 19:14, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Some FAs are 68k, I think size shouldn't be used as an objection - so we shouldn't worry about the size, 45k sounds alright. The article is looking the best it ever has, but there are some inline html refs that need to be converted to footnotes. — Wackymacs 21:48, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

"html inline refs"? Huh? --HereToHelp (talk) 21:52, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

When you put an html link inside the context as a reference instead of including it as a footnote. — Wackymacs 21:58, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh, is that the new rule? I'm on it. --HereToHelp (talk) 22:05, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Recentism

I have a problem with the sidebars on application articles. It suffers from recentism. Typically, they show the release date of the most recent version. For a currently-in-development program, I often find it much more interesting to know the date of the 1.0 release...Similarly about sections such as the "Current product line" in Apple Mac...The current product line is no more encyclopedic than the product line of 1993, and should not be that much more prominent. A third example is {{Apple hardware since 1998}}. — David Remahl 13:28, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Interesting. I'm going to disagree about the current Macs; I think that's relevant, and we have a timeline of all of them in the last part of the history section. But as far as a program being developed, I agree, let's put both values. The Project will see what they can do.

Adding the {{macprojectarticle}} template

I began adding the {{macprojectarticle}} template to all the articles highlighted on the project page. I started with the OS topics, and made it all the way through those. But, I am too tired to get any further tonight. If anyone wants to pick up where I left off, go ahead. t-bte288-c 05:03, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Categories that need {{macprojectarticle}} template added to article talk pages:

Keep at it. I redesigned the template extensively, it looks much better now; and I moved it to the lowercase page and put redirects on the upercase one (for future reference always put templates in lowercase except the first letter). I think that you'll like the work I did with the templates in general. --HereToHelp (talk) 11:47, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Good stuff, keep it up guys. Meanwhile, I'm working on improving the Claris article to featured status. The current article focus is Apple Computer if anyone wants to start on that one. — Wackymacs 12:05, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Also, this template now adds articles to Category:WikiProject macintosh articles so we can find this sad collection of stubs. That category is really a subcategory of Category:WikiProject Macintosh, which includes administrative pages for the project (like this one) and our focuses (foci?), past and current, because the are our best work. --HereToHelp (talk) 02:07, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

I noticed that Category:WikiProject macintosh articles leads to nothing. I assume you meant Category:WikiProject Macintosh articles which leads to the 200 articles we've tagged so far. :P --t-bte288-c 02:13, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah. I wanted the lowercase page to be a redirect but that makes it a subcategory, which I didn't want. If anyone's an admin, if they could delete the bad page I'd appreciate it. --HereToHelp (talk) 02:40, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

What is our policy on the pages that haven't been created yet? Do we create the page just to stick the template on the discussion page, or do we leave the page until we can get to it later?--t-bte288-c 05:37, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

While, unless I'm in a huge minority, I'd say that you should create the pages for the template. I've creaed a bunch of talk pages already, but those were for existing articles. My logic, though, is that we want as large of a collection of articles to improve as we can. By having a template on a non existant page, we won't forget about it. However, these pages are of course not worked on like the focuses are—that's why I made a separate subcategory for them. But we need to know that these pages exist and need our help. I say put the template there. --HereToHelp (talk) 23:44, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Mission accomplished! I just finished tagging everything. --HereToHelp (talk) 03:19, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Template images

Background note: At the time, the grey Apple logo (option 2) had a shadow that made it look very bad in the template; this was fixed for this cause.

I changed the image in the templates from the finder logo to the Apple logo. The former looks better (it doesn't have that awkward white area around it which the other does, at least on my machine) but the Apple logo is technically more correct because we have biography topics, too. So Il give both examples:

For what it's worth... I cleaned up the graphite apple logo. Doesn't mean I like it better than the striped one, but it might change someone else's mind. --t-bte288-c 04:35, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

This image (now eliminated)

Image:Crystal 128 mac.png

This article is part of WikiProject Macintosh. This means that the WikiProject has identified it as an Apple product, but is not currently working to improve it. WikiProject Macintosh itself is an attempt to improve, grow, standardize, and attain featured status for Wikipedia's articles related to Apple Macintosh and Apple Computer. We need all your help, so join in as a participant today!

became

Image:apple-logo.png

This article is part of WikiProject Macintosh. This means that the WikiProject has identified it as an article pertaining to Apple Computer, but is not currently working to improve it. WikiProject Macintosh itself is an attempt to improve, grow, standardize, and attain featured status for Wikipedia's articles related to Apple Macintosh and Apple Computer. We need all your help, so join in as a participant today!

and could become

Image:Striped_apple_logo.png

I want to get a consensus, so we'll hold voting below. --HereToHelp (talk) 21:48, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
I added one more choice, mostly because I think it's better than the other two options. --t-bte288-c 03:35, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Are we allowed to use the apple logos? If we are, then I would think that Image:Finder icon.png would be up for grabs too. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠

The striped one...interesting. But, considering that the vote is 1-0-2, I guess I'm going to have to allow it. But many of these products are from that era; and it looks better than the graphite one. Let's keep the polles open for a few more days, though. --HereToHelp (talk) 11:50, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh great, now we're tied. The thing I wanted to bring up is that I think we should put whatever image we put for these templates as the image for template:mac-stub. It currently has option 1, the Finder icon.--HereToHelp (talk) 23:46, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Voting: closed

~~Finder logo~~ Eliminated
Image:Crystal mac.png

Apple logo
1. I'm going to change my vote to the grey Apple logo. I think it works better than the Finder and now that the shadow is gone, I see no reason to vote for the Finder. The striped Apple logo looks very flat and 2-D, and the Finder is not as good of an image in that we focus on more than the technology here.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by HereToHelp (talk • contribs).
2. I'd prefer some version of the Finder icon. I'd go for the second, ~~but the shadow on it is terrible~~. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 08:07, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
3. 'Support. Although I somewhat agree with Bte288's comment that the striped logo is more widely associated with Apple, the Apple design now promotes just the outline and the "Aqua" style -- they have not used stripes for over 5 years. --TangentIdea 23:23, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
4. 'Agree'. I agree that the Aqua logo looks better and is better recognisable to new users. —Claunia 09:31, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

~~Striped Apple logo~~Eliminated
1. I support the old apple logo, because it is the symbol most often associated with Apple and Macintosh. --t-bte288-c 03:35, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
2. Support. I've always preferred this Apple logo than any other, it looks really good on the template. — Wackymacs 07:44, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Support I have to support the rainbow logo - it is the most historically accurate icon. It has been in use the longest, and conveys more information than the other options. --67.171.148.28 23:57, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Comment:: Interesting that an anon user wants to put his/her vote in. This person probably has an account but was logged off for whatever reason. And I'm going to assume that everyone is being honest and not logging off to vote twice...

Strange, it's that anonymous user's only edit too. I don't think we should count it. — Wackymacs 07:25, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Done.--HereToHelp (talk) 21:12, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

For the record, I was that anonymous user. (--Dschor 12:50, 6 January 2006 (UTC))

Sorry about that. It wouldn't have mattered anyway; besides, none of these images are GNU and we wound up with a 128k mac.--HereToHelp (talk) 23:45, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Now that I think about it, and someone's adressed my concern, I'm going to change my vote. Also, since CyberSkull was also dettered by the shawdow, I'm going to take the liberty of changing his, too—although if he still likes the Finder, all he has to do is say so (although that puts the striped logo in the lead...)

Good, we have a tie breaking vote! And (yes!) I don't have to change all the template images.--HereToHelp (talk) 23:28, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Even though Claunia has voted, the time stays because he/she was not a tie breaker. iI the striped one gets 2 more votes we're back to a deadlock and the time limit is useless. --HereToHelp (talk) 13:10, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Voting is now closed. The winner is the grey Apple logo, all templates have been changed accordingly (it look a lot of work, too, wink wink!). If a bloc of 5 users (the winning majority was 4), and at least half (3, round up) of them are project members decide that they all fancy a different logo, a second round of voting will begin. For now...let's be done with it.--HereToHelp (talk) 03:05, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Major project page redesign

The whole point of a WikiProject is to work together, so what's the point of listing all the obscure articles in the Hot Topics section? Also, the Guidelines, section isn't very helpful, the Intructions are kind of ify and the Goals need clarification. With the permission of the project participants, I'd like to redesign the page. This would include removing the hot topics and working to concentrate on the Focus article and FAC. I'd also try to clarify goals and legnth vs. content, and expand the instructions on how to "standardize" the articles. The guidelines are links we've all seen before; they'd be goners.

So, unless anyone's stictly opposed, I'll start around Friday.--HereToHelp (talk) 02:52, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Sounds fine to me. --t-bte288-c 03:22, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Well I beat you to it!! hehe... I have revamped the 'Instructions' section with specific steps - I think its pretty useful for the basics of improving an article. If anyone wants to rewrite the steps, or add another, then go ahead. :) — Wackymacs 19:27, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Interesting. Those are more general guidelines, not specific to Apple articles. I'm going to revamp them to reflect the stuff we don't already know. I have the same problem with a lot the info on the page. --HereToHelp (talk) 22:13, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

User:Nintendude just created the template {{lowercase-Apple}} and applied it to the article-pages of numerous Apple-related topics in order to display
this

The correct title of this article is {{{1}}}. The initial letter is capitalized due to technical restrictions.

instead of this:

Image:Apple-logo.pngThe correct title of this article about a product by Apple Computer is {{{1}}}. The initial capital letter is due to technical restrictions.

What do you all think about this? Nintendude also created the category Cat:Products and services by Apple Computer whose titles are initialed a lowercase letter with subcategory iPods and subsubcategory iPod accessories.
Do we adopt the new lowercase template (there are plenty of articles that use it) and keep the same category name? Do we adopt the template but change the category name to something less egregious? Or, do we revert the uses of the template?--t-bte288-c 05:15, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Obviously, everyone is going to have different views here, but I say revert it. Putting the Apple logo is like a stub, where they need to be sorted as to who can improve them. However, this template is just put on the page and you forget about it. The category is useless, too—and has way too long of a name. If we're going to use a category, how about something shorter? How about the same category as the original? Still, I think we should just drop the category entirely. Most people look at it by an Apple product, or by Apple hardware and software. Nobody looks for lowercase titles, although we can make a note of the use of a lowercase i and then a title, somewhere. But I think it's more or less useless because this is the kind of template you forget about. iTunes is located at ITunes, but it is a very well writen article (next focus, anyone?). It does not need ot be identified as an Apple product more than it is. I say let's revert this because it serves no purpose. However, Nintendude obviously disagrees, so let's see if anyone else does. I'm going to tell the user to explain himself here to seeif we can make sense of this new development.--HereToHelp (talk) 12:35, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree with HereToHelp. — Wackymacs 13:26, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Nintendude has contributions that date from after my message to him, and he still hasn't responded. If he keeps silent, let's make the old template official and have the new one and it's category deleted (if anyone's an admin and they want to "speedy" them, go ahead). --HereToHelp (talk) 19:55, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm posting another bulletin on his talk page. If he doesn't respond in 24 hours we can begin reverting the templates, deleting the new one, and deleting the new category.—t-bte288-c 21:08, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, Apple Computer happens to be the champion of products with proper noun names that start with a lowercase letter, hence the spinoff. --Nintendude 21:20, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, that's certainly true, but is it necessary???--HereToHelp (talk) 21:26, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Let's not have a formal voting, but if nobody, Nintendude or otherwise, objects, I'll put a redirect on his template to the old one and save us all that work.--HereToHelp (talk) 13:05, 20 December 2005 (UTC) This discussion is getting stale, and I don't think that Nintendude is going to respond. If nobody else objects soon, I'll put a redirect on the new template to the old one.--HereToHelp (talk) 16:55, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

This was discussed on WP:TfD and consensus was reached to delete. See Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/Deleted/December 2005. I went through and changed a number of the articles that use it back to the old plain template:lowercase Hope that helps. I admit I hadn't seen the discussion here when I started doing that, I was working through in the order the what links here page showed them. ++Lar 19:07, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Okay then. Thanks.--HereToHelp (talk) 19:55, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Policy

I have started a discussion about policy concerning our current article focus. Please contribute on the next focus talk page.—t-bte288-c 19:20, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, this is an important discussion; please don't forget about it because it is not on the main talk page! --HereToHelp (talk) 13:01, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Community Portal/advertising

I've been thinking...the Community portal should have a link to WikiProject Macintosh in the 'Other collaborations' section (in the red box). However, the community portal editing is locked from non-administrators. Do you think we should request on the Talk page of the community portal for it to be added? The project would get a lot more notice if it was on the community portal page. — Wackymacs 20:22, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

No. That section is already too big, there's even talk of linking it and getting the space back. I'm not against more advertising, though. {{macprojectarticle}} gets our name out alot; great idea (although a hassle to put everywhere...why do we have bots?)--HereToHelp (talk) 21:46, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

I added our template to Wikipedia:Template messages/Talk namespace and will work to increase our popularity. Do you think I could put this as an annoucement?--HereToHelp (talk) 21:59, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Scratch an announcement, but I put us in wikipedia:goings-on.--HereToHelp (talk) 22:06, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Or not.....--HereToHelp (talk) 12:52, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Are GUI articles appropriate members of the project?

I just noticed that this project even exists, and was wondering if it would be appropriate to add [[Category:Graphical_user_interface|GUI] things to the project. Obviously, they pertain to Mac OS X and could benefit from standardization with other articles, but the reason I ask is because while there are some that are solely in Mac OS X, others are common across many OS's --Ctachme 03:58, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Good question...great, more work...--HereToHelp (talk) 12:55, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Below is copied from Template talk:Timeline of Macintosh models

I've added a legend to {{Timeline of Macintosh models}} as requested in an FAC objection. However, the legend needs the attention of someone more mac savvy than I, to get the names of the hardware lines correct. Please see this template if you get a chance.—t-bte288-c 04:32, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

I did not know that wikimedia supported this. Damn, another syntax for me to learn! :p Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 07:38, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

I think you need to double check to colors. The colors used in the key for descendants and for education look like two used for the "main" Macs, a category that requires two colors because many of the products overlap. Education is the color used for the eMac and is not in the key where it should be. In fact, taking a second look, every series has two colors for the same reason, yet only one is used in the key. Also, although the Twentieth Anniversary Macintosh was shortened to "TAM", the Color Classic is also over its line ("CC"?). And where the models intersect the dashed red line between new and old world ROM, they push one dash of the line forward until the bar ends. The template has already been redesigned many times recently; it might be best to start from scratch. --HereToHelp (talk) 12:52, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

HereToHelp, gonna need... your help on this one. I am colorblind :P, so I did my best. —t-bte288-c 13:07, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh...sorry...

I don't have the tools at my disposal to create or edit a timeline of this nature. I think it looks fine without the key. I was knitpicking in my last comment, forgive me. On the other hand, if anyone wants to take up responsibility for this template I'd appreciate it.--HereToHelp (talk) 13:39, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Hmmm...Looks good with the key, but why on earth are the Mac IIs named 'Apple ][ Family' in the key?, these are the Macintosh II family. — Wackymacs 07:21, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

I think that was an attempt to get the underlines and overlines of Roman Numerals, but yeah, it looks bad. It's better to ignore the horizontal lines and just go with II. The page is really hard to edit with all the code but I can get that. Also: I fixed the color for education. I could not use the rgb values in the key, which have to be web colors. Instead, I found a good lookalike, but it isn't perfect.--HereToHelp (talk) 12:58, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

I like the new key; but is there a way to frame those colors with black? The pastels can be hard to pick out against a white background.--HereToHelp (talk) 13:38, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Request for assistance

Hey folks... great to see a project on the Mac! I've been asking this a few times, but I wonder if I might not get a better response here: I wrote the CUPS article, but as I don't rightly know much about the Apple implementation, I have not added any info on Mac OS X to the article. This is a real problem. Anyone want to expand the article?

Another thing: I have read the Mac OS X article, but it's a bit slim on underlying architecture. My challenge: get it to the status of Windows 2000! (I wrote this article). Ta bu shi da yu 07:15, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

There is a sister article in the works: Architecture of Mac OS X. — Wackymacs 07:19, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

New: Games list

I have made a games list for the project at Wikipedia:WikiProject Macintosh/lists/Game topics. It has also been added to the main project template. — Wackymacs 14:11, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Are you sure about this? Shouldn't we be handing these over to [Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer and video games]] or something? Unless it's bundled with the Mac (such as Chess (application), Marble Blast Gold, Nanosaur, Bugdom, and the company Pangea Software), I don't think it's up our alley.--HereToHelp (talk) 14:24, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree... we already have quite a lot of articles that this project wants to "improve to featured article quality" I say we stay small and add more once we have some successes. Paul^C/_T+ 19:17, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Computer and video games is very unactive and they only seem to pay attention to the most popular PC games as far as I've seen. Game articles are easy to get to featured status because theres so many references and sources and lots of things to write about them (gameplay, story, history, response, tips, trivia, and so on...). By making another list I'm not saying "Hey everyone! You all have to make these featured instantly" Its just something we can work on over time - I don't plan for this project to all happen instantly and start making articles featured at a fast rate - There's no rush, we've got plenty of time! — Wackymacs 19:36, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, it's true that we have plenty of time and that the computer games WikiProject probably won't help us. But I still uphold tht we have todraw the line somewhere, and we're not the WikiProject to cover all those games. We should start, at least, with those bundled with the Mac at one time or another.--HereToHelp (talk) 19:49, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer and video games myself and am more than willing to help. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 07:54, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

What can and can't be included?

Should any of the following be included in this project?

Authors such as David Pogue
Websites such as Think Secret
Programs such as Microsoft Office 2004

--Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 21:49, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Yea, why not? By the way the MS Office article is just Microsoft Office, I don't think we need a specific article for the 2004 mac version. — Wackymacs 21:52, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Notable litigation

There is a lot of space devoted to the lawsuits Apple has been involved in on Apple Macintosh (Apple_Macintosh#Notable_litigation) and Apple Computer (Apple_Computer#Notable_litigation). Would it make sense to truncate both of these sections into a small description (like one or two sentences each) of each major dispute and have a separate article for each? What about a separate article for the litigation in general? Having these self-referential sections in two separate articles is confusing and greatly summarizing this section will improve the already excessive length of both articles. Paul^C/_T+ 05:16, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

I say put a summary of the most major cases—such as Apple Computer, Inc. v. Microsoft Corp. and put a fuller summary on a new page and have a "main article" link. From there we link to the even more specific articles on individual cases.--HereToHelp (talk) 14:29, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

If we're feeling really ambitious...

Just an idea, how about a Portal:Macintosh or Portal:Apple Computer?--HereToHelp (talk) 17:59, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

I had thought about doing this before and I think its a great idea - I suggest we copy the format for the Portal from Portal:History and change it a bit and call it Portal:Apple Macintosh. Remember it will have to be done right and added to Portal:Browse and other places, it seems. I haven't made/worked on a Portal before. — Wackymacs 20:13, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah. When I think about this, one though comes to mind: Oh geat, more work! That doesn't mean I'm not up for it, though. First task: decide on a name. (Gee, that sounds like a good start!) Portal:Apple Macintosh is nice, but somehow I want it to reflect the company as well as the products. --HereToHelp (talk) 20:52, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

As for the code, this page should tell us all we need to know. --HereToHelp (talk) 20:57, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Or, should we do Portal:Computers, link it to Portal:Technology, and invite WikiProject Computing and the like to make a portal for Macs, PCs, software, hardware, etc.?--HereToHelp (talk) 21:45, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

No, there is already Portal:Information technology for computers. A Mac portal just for Mac articles would be good. — Wackymacs 21:48, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

If you're sure. While we're at it, I'm going to turn Portal:Computers into a redirect to info tech. --HereToHelp (talk) 22:04, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Should the image on the portal be the first Mac or the current Apple logo?--HereToHelp (talk) 00:17, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Whatever you like! :D Maybe it could be the iMac G5 instead. I'm rather fed up of looking at the 128k Mac (I have a Mac Classic in my bedroom...as if that isn't enough...). — Wackymacs 00:19, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

*laughs*. Okay then, I'll make sure we keep alternating images and keep things fresh.--HereToHelp (talk) 00:22, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Project article on the Main Page

Apple Network Server is on T:DYK at the moment - maybe we should keep track of things like this somewhere? -- grm_wnr Esc 21:57, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out - so one of our articles had a bit of fame (whoopie!). Who nominated it for the DYK? — Wackymacs 18:01, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I made a self-nomination. -- grm_wnr Esc 18:10, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

That's cool, would be nice if that article had a picture of the server on it though. I've found one here: [1]. — Wackymacs 18:14, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't think that image has a good licensing status... I'm trying to find a good {{promophoto}} of it, no really luck so far. -- grm_wnr Esc 18:41, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Hmm, here's a promotional photo of it: [2]. — Wackymacs 19:35, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Added, thanks! -- grm_wnr Esc 20:37, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Man, I was out and missed it! I had to go back about 20 revisions to find it in the page history. Cool, though.--HereToHelp (talk) 19:49, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Apple Lisa is on selected anniversaries at the moment. -- grm_wnr Esc 02:10, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

You beat me to mentioning that!--HereToHelp (talk • contribs) 02:22, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

DYK presently has PowerBook 5300. Since this discussion is bound to be archived sooner or lkater, I've started a list of Main Page articles at Wikipedia:WikiProject Macintosh/Main Page. I don't know where to link it from, though... -- grm_wnr Esc 18:20, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

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