Wikipedia talk:WikiProject The Dark Tower
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[edit] Welcome
If you are reading this, you have found the new Dark Tower WikiProject. The goal of this project is to write and maintain great articles pertaining to The Dark Tower series of novels by Stephen King. Please see the main project page for ideas on things to do. --Mus Musculus 04:10, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Places?
I moved an old article about Castle Discordia to a new article called Places in The Dark Tower series and added some others. Currently, the only place from the series that has its own article is Lud. What other ones need articles? For a start:
- Calla Bryn Sturgis
- Barony of Mejis
- Gilead (Dark Tower)
- Devar-Toi
- Fedic
What else? --Mus Musculus 20:29, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- First of all, The Dark Tower (series)#Places should be merged to Places in The Dark Tower series. Suggestion: In accord with WP:FICT, we can work on Places in The Dark Tower series until it becomes obvious that there is a lot of non-trivial information on certain places, which can then have their own articles. I don't have the Concordances or anything, so I can't tell how much there is to cite. Pomte 20:52, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Well.. just about anything you can think of is in Concordances. So one possible approach is that is someone wants to write about a place using facts from the books, I can verify the facts using the Concordance and add the citation with the correct page. Thanks for mentioning The Dark Tower (series)#Places - I had forgotten that was there. --Mus Musculus 21:03, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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- I mean the amount of text written to be proportionate, so there shouldn't be an essay on a subject that only receives a paragraph in Concordances. It would be a pity for any branched articles to get deleted for reason of fancruft and no real world context with only in-world sources. They would say that the intricate details belong in TowerWiki, not here. Pomte 21:21, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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- I see your point. I suppose we'll have to handle it on a per-article basis for now to see what issues arise. That's what yon WikiProject is for. The Concordance is very thorough; for places, it recounts everything that happened there; for characters, it recounts everything they did. I can't imagine too many circumstances where a lot more could be written than what is covered in the guide. --Mus Musculus 05:42, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Bango Skank proposed deletion
I notice that Mus Musculus put up the {{prod}}. Worthy of merging to List of characters from the Dark Tower series at all? The never-seen character himself is not notable, but the connection to another literary work sounds interesting. Pomte 05:57, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
- I thought about that but I'm of the opinion that he's not really a "character" in that he's just the subject of graffiti in the books. I can see mentioning him in the novel articles, but that's about it. Seems too borderline fancruft. --Mus Musculus 06:17, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Oy article created
I have just made the article for Oy, so now Roland's ka-tet is all articled. I'll try to make articles for the other requested ones. Is there anyway you can redirect Oy in the Dark Tower box so that when you click it it doesnt go to a disambiguation (and without it saying "Oy (Dark Tower)" on it?
Heres the article link Oy (Dark Tower) Long days and pleasent nights! --Gunmetal2k4 23:38, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
- Done. To disambiguate a link, put the actual article name at the left of the |, and what you wish to appear at the right of the |, like this:
- [[Oy (Dark Tower)|Oy]]
- It would be nice to have an article on Jamie to complete Roland's old ka-tet, but I would hesitate to say that he is a notable enough character. There is a sentence about him at List of characters from the Dark Tower series#Jamie De Curry. For Calla Bryn Sturgis, there is a short description at Places in The Dark Tower series. –Pomte 23:52, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Jamie De Curry article created. Please add to it.
I just created a Jamie De Curry article but its a stub and needs more info on it. I searched the books for info but thats all I could find/remember. Link: Jamie De Curry --Gunmetal2k4 01:02, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] ka-tet
Right now ka-tet redirects to ka, but there is barely any info on ka-tet there, so I'm going to merge the info from The Dark Tower glossary#Ka-tet over there. Also, we should italicize all instances of these terms, right? –Pomte 02:10, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, I agree with that. I think it is a good practice to italicize non-English terms for the reader. --Mus Musculus 20:48, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Merge White (Dark Tower) and Red (Dark Tower)
These stubs contain the same sentence and the same Alice in Wonderland reference, which would be easier to maintain if they were in one article. Possibly delete both and merge to The Dark Tower glossary. –Pomte 02:33, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
- I would support merging them. There is not that much to write about them - just merge and redirect. --Mus Musculus 20:50, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Crying names
An anon went around recently and added the phrase "Roland cried (sic) his name as he approached the Dark Tower." to a whole bunch of articles. Does anyone else think they should be removed? --Mus Musculus 18:25, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, can them. — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 18:32, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Turtles all the way down
- Stephen King in The Dark Tower series makes several references to a turtle holding up the earth, in various metaphors. Later in the series, he makes it clear that the origin of this metaphor is a play on the incident with the woman declaring that it's "turtles all the way down". The appearance of a palm-sized scrimshaw turtle likewise makes allusions to Pratchett's Small Gods when described as a "tiny god".
Can anyone verify this? –Pomte 07:21, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- King relates the story of the woman in the epilogue of one of the novels, but I don't have a citation right now. As far as I can tell, the Pratchett item is WP:OR. --Mus Musculus 14:56, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Song of Susannah, p.243, King relates the anecdote in his "diary" following the description of a dream which indicates the first conception of the Beam. --Chzimmerman 09:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
