Talk:Yamaha YZF-R6

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Contents 1 Adcruft removal 2 Merger from YFZ-R6 3 Competition 4 Spec edits 5 Re: Controversy

[edit] Adcruft removal

I removed some amount of text from the original advertisement version. Whoever unstubs this may want to review its text, there may be a couple more things from it that should be included. --Interiot 18:39, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Merger from YFZ-R6

I'm adding the request to merge the content from Yamaha YFZ-R6 to here as the other article has proper information but it's named wrong and this article could use expanding. --Jhuuskon 14:23, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

I approve a merge. --Marc Lacoste 09:22, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Competition

Including just the ZX6RR is a bit odd, as it also competes with the Suzuki GSX-R 600, the Honda 600RR, the Ducati 749, the Triumph Daytona 675, etc. In fact, it's misleading to only list one competitor and I'd prefer listing none rather than just 1.

Rritterson 21:10, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spec edits

I moved this discussion from my talk page to here:

10 october edits loose some information, and uses a lower information density for the specs. Is there is a reason? --Marc Lacoste 08:39, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Not exactly sure what you mean. Seems like all of the info is still there. I just re-ordered it and put it together the way the manufacturer does. Can you give me an example? Roguegeek (talk) 09:21, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

lost information

Head : 11.5° intake and 12° exhaust valve angles (down from 14° both), aluminium valve retainers, two 27 mm diameter titanium inlet valves (from 25 mm), two 23 mm titanium exhaust valves (from 22 mm), 12.8:1 compression ratio (from 12.4:1), semi-hydraulic camchain tensioner became DOHC, 16-titanium valves; metric units loss; output numbers, etc.

lower information density 

unjustified table use, one fifth the width, smaller font, etc.

I do agree that the table doesn't seem to be very typical of other motor vehicle articles. The format used before wasn't perfect either, but I do think it was better than the skinny table format. Wikipedia:Embedded list isn't directly applicable, but it mentions the princple that prose is often better than lists or tables of data, since this is supposed to be an encyclopedia rather than a reference manual. --Interiot 18:34, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll agree with whatever format is best to use as per Wikipedia policies. If there's a better way to do it, I would definitely want to see it done that way. My difficulty comes in finding a way to show specifications between model years in the clearest way possible, taking up the least room it can. Thoughts on this? Roguegeek (talk) 06:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

What shouldn't be disputed is the specification information I changed as it comes straight from the manufacturer's site (which I do reference). If certain info didn't get carried over, please feel free to add to it, but don't just blanket revert changes that do, in fact, supply the most up-to-date and accurate information available. Marc Lacoste's revert also changed facts like current MSRP, an updated image, updated facts about price comparison, and reliable sources WP:RS for everything (which the previous spec sheet did not have). Roguegeek (talk) 06:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

You didn't answer the question of information loss - which was referenced. You didn't answer the information density point neither. If there is no data in the previous model column, the table isn't justified. BTW, a full text inclusion of the 2004 model spec could be added like "12° down from 14° in the previous model", etc. I reverted because I saw you read the discussion, but haven't answered, which I thought was an assent. Sorry if it was too early. I thought I keep the current price, the image was of smaller resolution for no indicated changes and no less reliable source than some SportRider chart was used. --Marc Lacoste 08:58, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

My mistake. Thought I did address those questions for some reason. I don't see any reason for any information that didn't make it into the edits I made to not be included. It wasn't my intention to not include referenced information. As long as it's referenced, it should be in there. Roguegeek (talk) 17:44, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Not really, could you replace it? --Marc Lacoste 20:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

As for the empty column, I have filled in spec information for both 2001/2002 and 2003/04/05 with references. I feel as if this makes the table justified now, but want to hear your feedback. Is there a better way to display this data? Thoughts? Roguegeek (talk) 17:44, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

It's a good idea. As Interiot pointed, not very pleasant to read, but information is dense and comparisons are easy. I found joined cells dangerous, perhaps I'll make one cell at time, with "unchanged" for successive cells.--Marc Lacoste 20:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

What are the difference between the 2006 and 2007 images? the 2006 was more detailed. And the dyno chart linked isn't rich in observed conditions. Apparently, at the rear wheel, after transmission loss, but who knows? I'd prefer the original engine spec. --Marc Lacoste 20:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Controversy

I'm moving this paragraph off the main article because it is written in a very informal style. If there's useful verifiable / non-original research content here, feel free to reword it and add it back to the article. This was posted at the end of the RPM/controversy section.

Well all of this is kinda true but if you get the motor rebuilt by a motor builder it can run more RPM's. Also if you get a hot box which takes the rev limiter out you can run more rpms than the stock limit but be careful because if you go to much over the limit, it'll blow. Like our 2003 Yzf R6 motor we can run the motor at 16300 RPM's before it blows and the rev limiter was at 14500. I also got a 2000 Yzf r6 bored out to 2mm and stroked to 670cc and we can still run it at 16000 rpm's plus the motors cranking out 160 horses thats more than a R1, the motor also has a port and polish head job with wiseco pistons, carillo rods, and we did have titanium valves but they didn't work and got smashed by the pistons. All the motor work was done by Momo micro sprint engines, it has a FTZ exaust system, odum caburators, and a Clifford hot box. By the way I race a micro sprint which can go up to 120 mph on a third mile race track. But I dont know what you can do to the new 2006 to me they don't sound much better or different than 2005 motors. --67.54.202.214

--Interiot 07:06, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Good remove Roguegeek (talk) 17:13, 2 December 2006 (UTC)