Talk:Zack de la Rocha
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rewrite this
what is with the final sentence fragment... not only is wildly editorial, its outrageously bad writing. change this crap.
Rage was simply the best F***ing band ever! And with all the shit going on now I think this stupid ass country could use Zack De La Rocha again. Who agrees? (No Name)
I don't think Rage Against the Machine is considered Nu Metal. (unsigned)
get a photo from zdlr.net or somewhere?
I will slap the mouth off the guy that claims RATM is NU metal!!!! They are RAP-METAL, pure and simple. The best, some say the first.
Rage Against the Machine is about as punk as a band can get in this day and age and at that level of popularity.
i removed some bullshit about some web comic on this article. if that was wrong you can add it back, but it didn't really seem like it fit to me.
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[edit] plurality when referring to bands
first as an aside, I don't think they're "nu metal" either what ever the fuck that is. rage needs like 9 style categories of their own.
Rage IS NOT NU METAL! There was nothing even close to Rage's style to call it a rebirth of anything. Furthermore, nu metal pussies have not come out with anything even close to as meaningful as Rage's first album. Nu metal is little boys crying and trying to sound hard... Pantera is real metal!--Mahnster1 02:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
"rage.. were formed"- I don't like it. Don't wann go down a hellish grammar road here, but I think it's acceptable to say the band was formed. I think I've seen plural names like the white stripes treated as singular, but it's more rare. Anyway, when the band name is singular is when you may see it either way. anybody who really gets deep into grammar wann weigh in, I'll listen- otherwise your wack I'm afraid. Kzzl
Rage owns today's music. There is no comparison. Audioslave is a mistake. They should get Zack de la Rocha back.
New post: Since I can't figure out how to start a new comment (shouldn't there be a button somewhere, or should I have to be learned in the secret ways of the wikipedia cult first?) I'll just post it here. In the early bio section, it's unclear whether Zak destroyed his paintings or his fathers paintings. I'm sure the author is trying to express this had an effect on young zack, but I'm unsure what the effect was since I don't even know what happened. Also, could we get more insight on why his dad was so hellbent on destroying the pictures? It sounds like an interesting story why anyone would do that. Was he clinically insane? Or where they Zack's pictures, and his father just didn't approve of their content and the time that his boy spent on them?
Response to above comment: To start new comment, click the + symbol next to 'edit this page'. Also I agree with you about the whole Beto de la Rocha nervous breakdown, just seems like there's so much more room for elaboration. In addition, there was a sentence that sounded confusing to me. It reads "paintings which had helped him establish a sense of Chicano identity." Who is "him"? Zack or Beto?
[edit] Absolute phrasing
Just a general remark to deification of musicians and bands. This sentence just cracked me up:
"who were highly regarded as one of the most influential rock bands in recent history"
Not only is it rather dodgy use of the English language, it also reads more like a made-for-fans-by-fans bio, than an encyclopedia entry.
The second part of the sentence is much better:
"as they helped pave the way for many of today's hard rock bands that fuse rap and rock."
That goes straight to the subject of the matter.
Unfortunately, this follows: "They were also known as one of the most politically-inspired bands in popular music's history."
So absolutist! Definitely the kind of statement that deserves elaboration and comparison. Who were also political? the MC5? PE? Ice Cube? Were they more or political or less? Or the same?
Rage were more political than the vast majority of popular bands. They are somewhat comparable with peace punk bands. They're more politically inspired than the most well-known examples of political activism in music; more than Bob Dylan, The Clash, Stevie Wonder or Bob Marley. They were - absolutely - more political than Ice Cube, PE or the MC5. Agreed, given the ideological nature of every sngle one of Rage's songs and their frequent unambiguous references to specific political and social figures/movements makes them "more political" than perhaps any other musicians in history.
[edit] Zack's Body
Anyone notice the strange disparity in the thickness of Zack's arms? The left one seems noticably skinnier. It's even more obvious in the naked protest pic on the RATM page. -- Sean 03:37, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
- Rescinded. Turns out my arms are like that, too. Must be noticeable with us skinny dudes... Sean 05:17, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Could also be that he plays the guitar with his right arm, since it's such a hardcore sound, it must require above average guitar playing in regards to strength
-zack doesn't play guitar in ratm. And are you sure about the arm thing? I've seen other pictures where he looks perfectly fine. ((Adam))
-Actually in the picture of Zack (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c2/Zack_de_la_Rocha.jpg) his left hand is partially hidden behind his shirt so it looks skinnier than it really is.
[edit] a poet?
Since when is he a poet, I don't see anything published by him or any mention of it in the article. Rizla 01:48, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- His recitation of a poem he wrote is on the RATM DVD. He was certainly a poet. --Switch 15:31, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Aren't rappers poets in a sense? 68.195.47.239 19:34, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Zacks influence gone...with his popularity
Zack de la Rocha decision to no longer be in the publics eye was the worse move he could have done, he wants to do all his activism and influence people, RATM was the tool he had that everyone else doesn’t. People listened to his message when he was with a "popular" band. But no we don’t hear anything about him.
for example, Bono of U2 he does all his human rights and poverty things with Africa it would be ridiculous of him to leave the U2 the tool that gets him the attention of everyone to do his human rights deal, he understood that and because of that he meets with world leaders to discus his interests in his charities and foundations...
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Zack is a big whiney pussy baby who only cares about his self intrest against the white man.
[edit] bitpimps?
so follow the link to zack's official page. if i rightclick "save as" the download link, i get the song, but if i just click it i get brought to bitpimps, a porn site. does anyone know why he's hosting his song on a porn site? this seems bizarre. --dan 21:42, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
- further note, the song i got from there turned out to be a useless 8kb file. i found the song elsewhere online, but i don't know why the link on his official site would be wrong, especially when quotes about thsi song are basically its only content. --dan 08:11, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Actually even the lyrics are (i think) incorrect, near the end "For oil that burn beneath the desert sun" (on the site) But if you listen to the song he clearly says "For oil that boil beneath the desert sun"
[edit] college
Did he attend any?
[edit] don't dis Zack
has anyone ever told you they don't like ratm cos of the rap. this is such a narrow minded view. it's not like he's 50 cent or something. zack raps for political reasons and is in no way a gangsta. anyway that speech at the auditorium was great. he really told thos police who's boss(not being sarcastic).
[edit] Citations
This page really needs correct citations, and information that can be validated. Where did the whole Roberto De La Rocha and painting information come from? As well as referenced to band history and early school life...--Amplicy 17:50, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
There is a rumor that Zack is gay, and was even posted on this page at one point Stick to the rules of wikipedia and do not post anything that doesnt have a credible source That means until Zack makes his sexuality publically known through an interview or the like do not post rumors on an encyclopedia page.
