Talk:東正教
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Patriarch 和 Ecumenical Patriarch 如何译啊？24.100.149.231 07:30 2004年5月18日 (UTC)
我不安、可解良汝的質問、 我聞、本来的Ecumenical Patriarch（於日語「世界総主教」）、是羅馬教皇的称号。分裂後、東正教呼 Patriarch of Constantinople 「世界総主教」。是正教的首座。於古代、他四総主教。羅馬、Constantinopolis, Antiocia (Syria), Alexsandria (Egypt). 我望答良汝的質問。Aphaia 15:40 2004年5月18日 (UTC)
Ecumenical Patriarch = 大公主教? 宗主教? = 'Pope?' patriarch = (大)主教? = (arch)bishop? http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/7276/orthodox.htm
Can I write in English and Japanese? I'm afraid I cannot answer your question properly: I see the website you introduced: 君士坦丁堡宗主教的, if it means XXX of Constantinople, 宗主教 may be Patriarch. Not the pope. Popes are the title for Patriarches of Rome and Alexandria(see the below):
"且在八五八年的聖誕節祝聖主教後,立即升任宗主教。"
858 Photios was appointed to the Patriarch of Constantinople, though he had not been in priesthood. I suppose this text refer to the matter, so I assume 宗主教 is equivalent to 総主教 in Japanese. 佛西要 may be Photios. 彼於东正教聖人也。
东正教有階級、異公主教。「羅馬教皇」我欲指 Pope of Rome. Archbishop = 大主教於日語。此異 Patriarch. Patriarch 最上級於东正教。 See also w:en:Eastern Orthodox Church.
I write about Orthodox Church of Japan for example, because I don't know how to write foreign cities in Chinese. Sorry.
东正教的僧侶（日語：神品）的単表
英語 日語
Pope 教皇
- 於东正教、「教皇」称号也、羅馬総主教(Patriarch)和 Arexandria的総主教。我不知、華語的称号。I suppose it is translated on the website refered by you "教宗".
Patriarch 総主教 羅馬天主教又此称号。中文：宗主教？
Metropolite 府主教 此本来意味、大都市的主教、而指上級主教。日本正教会的首領、「日本的府主教」也。
Archbishop 大主教 此上級主教、「日本的府主教」＝「東京的大主教」。
Bishop 主教 於日本天主教、呼 Bishop 司教。於日本、主教将在三人。東京、京都、仙台。(今不在京都的主教)
Priest 司祭
按照现在中国东正教的称呼，Patriarch应为“牧首”，Ecumenical Patriarch应为“普世牧首”。方洪渐 7:29 2004年5月21日(UTC)
- 謝謝。Aphaia
- according to this link, Patriarch = 宗主教 or 主教长. ZZZ...很睏 (对话、留言按这里) 00:34 2004年5月21日 (UTC)
[编辑] 东正教概念
- 东正教目前interwiki到en:Eastern Orthodox Church
- 在en:Eastern Christianity里有这样一句“In general terms, Eastern Christianity can be described as comprising four families of churches: the Assyrian Church of the East, the Eastern Orthodox Churches, Oriental Orthodoxy, and the Eastern Catholic Churches.”
- 在某些网页上，如荷兰莱顿大学攻读硕士学位奖学金项目上有“MA, Eastern Christianity东正教研究”
请问东正教应是指哪个？--Isnow 20:38 2006年12月15日 (UTC)
- Well, I expect your generocity to let me write in English ...
- There are (in my opinion) a confusion about Eastern Rite in the Western world, because it is anyway unfamiliar to the majority in it.
- Officially "Eastern Orthodox Church" is 東方正教会 in Japanese and possibly 东正教 in my understanding. I think therefore the current interwiki between en and zh on this article appropriate.
- However the Westerner prefer to say "Eastern Christianity" and they use this term in two ways. 1) an alternate addresssing of Eastern Orthodox Church (since it is the biggest denomination among Eastern Christianity) and 2) "comprising four families of churches" as listed on the above.
- In Japanese, for your information, Eastern Orthodox Church are disticnt from other Eastern churches as 東方正教会 and 東方諸教会. Another difficulty of naming convention may come from the custom both churches prefer to call themselves with the name "Orthodox".
- Let me summarize the relevant names:
- 东正教 ja: 東方正教会 en: Eastern Orthodox Church (sometimes referred as Orthodox)
- ? ja: 東方諸教会 en: Assyrian Church of the East + Oriental Orthodox Churches
- Note: sometimes "Oritental Orthodox" is considered to refer to both churches, as churches which don't keep all faith of the first seven councils. Historically "non-Melkites" was used, and perhaps still today, but Englishg Wikipedia seems to prefer to avoid using this term.
- ? ja: 東方教会 en: Eastern Christianity
- ? ja:東方典礼教会 en: Eastern Catholic Churches (They follow the Roman Pope as Catholic but keep the Eastern tradition of liturgy).
I hope my memo on the above helps you to some extent. --Aphaia 10:30 2007年1月10日 (UTC)
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- It's really complex. Thanks a lot!--Isnow 10:48 2007年1月10日 (UTC)
