User talk:Aarandir

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Hello and welcome to my talk page.

1 ARGUMENTS I HAVE WON
- 1.1 Re: Nikki Grahame
- 1.2 adding comments
2 Image copyright problem with Image:Islamabadsnow.jpg
3 other image
4 Re:Historical regions of Pakistan
5 Re:Districts of Punjab
6 Redundant templates
7 Deleting Pages
8 Image copyright problem with Image:Sindhi.JPG
9 Picture on your user page
10 Image copyright problem with Image:Nikkicar.JPG
11 License tagging for Image:Tristanchopin.PNG
12 A Truce?
13 Image source?
14 Unspecified source for Image:Kalashg.jpg
15 Unspecified source for Image:Pic10.gif

[edit] ARGUMENTS I HAVE WON

List of arguments I have won.

[edit] Re: Nikki Grahame

This Argument was between me and an admin. Both of us were stubborn but as you go down the argument you will see the admins logic and reasoning skills deteriorate somewhat, he starts interpreting things I say as something that they are not supposed to mean for example; he though me calling him "immature" meant I was being ageist (i wasnt, infact i didnt even know his age). Anyway see for yourselves. He is no doubt embarrased of this argument and doesn't want anyone to see it therefore he comes up to MY page and tries to change the structure to try and keep it under wraps.

Heh, no I'm not, I actually find it quite amusing. — Fire Fox 17:44, 19 July '06

Argument begins below, Regardez

I agree she was a brilliant housemate, but she doesn't deserve her own page until she does something notable outside of Big Brother. Thanks, — Fire Fox 19:38, 16 July '06

would it kill you to just unblock the page? the thing is i can promiss to you she will be an amazing personality... its very obvious

Well when she does, then she can have her own article. — Fire Fox 13:29, 17 July '06

okay, why are u not willing to work by the fact that she will MOST CERTAINLY have a very succesfull career out of BB?

Because she hasn't had one yet. — Fire Fox 13:36, 17 July '06

yes... but she will; if she is likely to have one then she probably will have one, in addition to that NO HARM or offense whatsoever can come of you un-protecting her page, infact by refusing to unprotect her page you are slightly upsetting/annoying me therefore, u should un-protect her page.

She is not notable. Therefore she should not have an article. Therefore the 'article' is protected. If the page gets unprotected, someone (you) will create an article on her. Therefore it stays protected. — Fire Fox 13:51, 17 July '06

1) your argument is flawed/poorly structured;

2) but the fact that she does not have an article makes me annoyed slightly, only a demented person would dream of anoying an innocent human being and anyway she already has reached a level of fame entitling her to an article on wikipedia. can you give me an account of how famous one has to be to be entitled to an article on wiki? Aarandir 14:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

She needs to actually do something notable outside of Big Brother (not "probably will in the future"). — Fire Fox 14:15, 17 July '06

okay, you are willing to continue annoying me by not unprotecting her page so thats bad in it self. but despite that working with probablity is not going to harm anyone? can you not take the risk? if you cant WHY are you not willing to take the risk?

She is non notable. Non-notability = no article. — Fire Fox 14:28, 17 July '06

you are now just being stubborn and irrational not engaging in the argument but going in circle. can you please reply something sensible to my argument? i put it to u that working my probabily in this certain incident wont harm anybody but infact do the opposite (make my upset cos you are being soo stubborn) will you say something coherent or are you going to be immature and reiterate your claim that i belive is not entirely justified. Aarandir 14:32, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. — Fire Fox 14:42, 17 July '06

i am "cool" as you put it just getting progressively angry (but i can control my anger and not resort to being immature and stubborn). anyway AGAIN you somehow manage to avoid answering my question. if ANYTHING i think you are insulting me by not listening to my argument and continually denying my rational requests and getting me worked up.

It seems to me that you are acting in an uncivil manner. Please remain civil and don't resort to making personal attacks or instigate edit wars. — Fire Fox 14:49, 17 July '06

can you tell me what this "personal attack" is? maybe if you show me it ill consider whether i meant it as such and consequently apolgise. please firefox do not get angry, you have said something completely irrelavant "edit war" i have not instigated an edit war... i have not edited anything so please dont make that claim. your claim that i am making personal attacks on you or instigating an edit war i find highly offensive.

It said or edit wars. As you wish, I'll point out some things you've said which can be seen as a personal attack and/or incivil:

“

you are now just being stubborn and irrational...

cos you are being soo stubborn...

are you going to be immature...

but i can control my anger and not resort to being immature and stubborn.

”

— Fire Fox 14:58, 17 July '06

look those are not meant to offend you, most people wouldnt even consider then insults or get annoyed by them, but rather they would confront you and say why you think you were justified in making them. i will give my justification:

you are being stubborn becuase you keep reiterating this

“

She needs to actually do something notable outside of Big Brother

”

you are being irrational becuase the following argument was poorly constructed, egro it was flawed.

“

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you are being immature becuase it is generally accepted that children are stubborn and immature.

challegene these claims if you want, and i will apologise if i see that it was wrong for me to make those claims, but untill then i will stand by them.

will you PLEASE reply to my argument now? Aarandir 15:05, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I think you've gone too far now by saying "you are being immature becuase it is generally accepted that children are stubborn and immature." If you think that because I am 16 years old (a "child"), you can call me stubborn and immature, you are very wrong. I've given you answers, and you want more. From what you've just said I'm not going to think any more up. — Fire Fox 15:12, 17 July '06

listen mate im 17... i am not being ageist, you are constantly interpreting things wrong, i never SAID you were a child not was i trying to imply you were (i didnt even know you age). and im glad you have given up becuase i can now talk to a more mature and responsible admin (not nesseceraly older). while were on the topic of interpretations let me just say (THIS IS NOT DIRECTED AT YOU AND DONT TAKE IT AS SUCH) silly/wrong interpreations of the Bible and Quraan have led to religeous wars and DREADFULL acts of terror therefore we should ALL (as the Human race) be carefull how we interpret things and not jump to conclusions.

nice arguing with you, even though the argument was flawed and not carried on propely or coherently on your part. Aarandir 15:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

What? I wouldn't call it giving up, it's just you're not listening to a word I say. Sure, find a more 'mature' admin, you'll get the same response in the end. — Fire Fox 15:21, 17 July '06

only wish i had a means of finding one now... Aarandir 15:24, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

WP:LA. — Fire Fox 15:25, 17 July '06

[edit] adding comments

Please add comments to appropriate sections; or if you are starting a new section, at the end of the page. Also, sign your messages by adding ~~~~ at the end of your comment. Thanks. --Ragib 23:50, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

What exactly is the problem? I moved your comment to the end, because the comments need to be in Choronological order to make sense. You are adding at arbitrary places. That way, it is difficult to keep track of the discussion. Also, please look into Wikipedia's Guideline on Civility and don't use profanity in edit summaries. Thanks. --Ragib 22:02, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

i dont have a bloody problem, my posting is the latest and it should be on top like it is on every discussion board. anyway i decide where it goes not you, i can take this to higher autority, and i feel i more justified to put it where i want (on the top) rather than have it in "chrnological order" where no one will probably see it. PS. bloody is not a "profanity" it isnt offending you now is it? its there to show im rather unhappy, not there to make you feel bad about yourself or insult anyone. Aarandir 22:07, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Please take it to any "higher authority". Also, please take a look at Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines#Layout the layout guidelines, which state Proceed descendingly: Within each topic, the further down the contribution to talk, the chronologically later it was made.. I have to clean up your whimsically left top posting, which is becoming quite irritating. When going to a talk page, you might notice a "+" button at the top. When you click that, the message goes at the end of the current page, not the top. Top posting is not a wikipedia convention. The latest postings need to go at the bottom. This is not a blog or "discussion board". If you need any more help, let me know. Thanks. --Ragib 22:15, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

well thats a policy that frankly needs reviewing. its silly. the newest being at the bottom and not at the top. you take that policy to a secret service office and see what they think about it. i cant imagine someone at the CIA saying "hmmm, news from iran: iran launches missle at israel, you know what ill leave this at the bottom incase ragib gets angry" (bad example i know) but you must admit newest should be at the top. ill make a poll to prove to you that more than 90& of people think the newest think should be at the top. when i said higher autority i meant someone bigger than you on wikipedia. so for the moment leave me comment at the top please. dont be annoying, ive never been insuled more on any other discussion board where people have moved my comment down to the bottom for "chronological ordering"

Well, *when* the policy changes to put the newer messages at the top, you are free to do so. Unless that happens, I'd definitely move newer messages at the end of older messages. If you don't agree, feel free to voice your grievances at the talk page of the related policy/guideline. As for any question or any other grievances, you are free to voice that at the Administrator's noticeboard. Let me know if you need help with any other issues. Thanks. --Ragib 23:08, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Islamabadsnow.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Islamabadsnow.jpg. However, the image may soon be deleted unless we can determine the copyright holder and copyright status. The Wikimedia Foundation is very careful about the images included in Wikipedia because of copyright law (see Wikipedia's Copyright policy).

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Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Thank you. CLW 14:24, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] other image

I am sorry but Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp. makes it clear that pasting four pictures together does not enable you to claim copyright. Please give four separate sources for Image:Punjabi.JPG and add a proper licence tag. You may get away with fair-use for this one. -- RHaworth 10:28, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Historical regions of Pakistan

Hi, thanks for the comment, much appreciated. Green Giant 00:38, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Districts of Punjab

Hi there. I'd be happy to help you with the series. The infobox is basically a simpler way of showing common information like the population and area figures. I have been awake for about 24 hours now so I am going to sleep for a bit but if you want I'll try to create a template for you in the morning. Green Giant 22:22, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Okay! lol get your much needed sleep. i live in the Uk aswell by the way, i am asian(pakistani-punjabi-mirpuri) if you care! you?

Not slept well (damned local cats are in heat :P ) but I made a start on the infobox, you can find it at Template:Pakistan districts. I won't add it to any district until we're happy with the layout, so make any changes you feel are necessary and we'll take it from there. Plus added a bit to Attock district.

Cos you asked, I'm a Yorkshire-man (and protestingly labelled as English), living in Chapeltown, Leeds (love the mixture of people from different backgrounds). You're Mirpuri, as in Mirpur, Azad Kashmir? Green Giant 01:53, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeap, i dunno, but i consider myself punjabi becuase i speak it as opposed to kashmiri. anyway yes very nice infobox, great job! im not exactly sure capital would be appropriate. i dont think so... im more or less gettin all my information from this site [1] lol. and i cant find anything there about nazim or niam nazim or district council seats. or time zone or co-ordinates and capital. anyway capital and its coordinates are the only ones i think shouldnt be there. ill go ahead and delete them. and ill i hope you dont mind me applying it to Attock District right? i dont have a map with pictures of the punjab districts highlighed, can you make that? can i help? forget it if its too much trouble. Aarandir 22:12, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Give me a couple of days or so and I'll have a map ready Green Giant 22:37, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

ah top bloke, thanks alot thatll be great! anything i can do to help!? i feel quite useless. ive also changed Template:Pakistan districts to Template:Punjab, Pakistan districts becuase im gonna try and start on districts for sindh, nwfp, balochistan and the rest. Aarandir 19:20, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I've made district templates for quite alot of the provinces. Give me feedback!

Template:NWFP_districts in an article: Chitral_District
Template:Balochistan, Pakistan_districts in an article: Gwadar_District
Template:Punjab, Pakistan districts in an article: Attock_District
Template:Sindh districts in an article: Khairpur_District
Template:Azad_Kashmir_districts in an article: Bagh_District

Aarandir 20:59, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redundant templates

Hi, long time no see. I've been busy working on getting the Pakistan article up to Featured Article status but now I think I'll have time for our project on the districts of the Punjab. I think we should expand it to include all districts in Pakistan as well as districts of Azad Kashmir and the Northern Areas (although the latter might be difficult to obtain information on). I disagree with the several provincial templates you created because there is nothing specifically which distinguishes a district in Punjab from a district in Sindh or any other province. The only distinction we need to make is between the two types of districts - ordinary districts and city-districts. This is because in ordinary districts the subdivisions are called tehsils and in city-districts the subdivisions are towns. Accordingly I have requested these templates be speedily deleted to avoid any confusions:

‎Template:Azad Kashmir districts
‎Template:Balochistan, Pakistan districts
‎Template:NWFP distrcts
‎Template:NWFP districts
‎Template:Punjab, Pakistan districts
‎Template:Sindh districts

I think it makes sense to create an article series using only three templates for this project:

Let's move Template:Pakistan districts to a new Template:Pakistan District Infobox for ordinary districts
Use the Template:Pakistani Cities for the city-districts
Create a new Template:Districts of Pakistan to become a navigation tool at the bottom of each district page.

The existing Districts of Pakistan page can become the main article for the series
I will try to extend the existing City District Government page as an extra article
I will continue working on a decent map for the districts, which was sitting around doing nothing because someone uploaded images of four maps from a government or NGO website which showed the four provinces separately and gave a rough idea of how many districts and tehsils each had. However, these maps have copyright problems, so I will try to create four provincial maps to replace them.

Look forward to hearing from you soon. Green Giant 04:48, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deleting Pages

Why are you deleting these pages without discussion ? Margalla Hills National Park and Ayubia National Park. Siddiqui 23:06, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Sindhi.JPG

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[edit] Picture on your user page

Fair use images are not to be used anywhere other than articles. Therefore, I have removed the picture of Nikki off your userpage, for the third time. — Fire Fox 15:32, 21 July '06

you cant keep your grimey paws of my page or talk page can you... youve been continuesly editing and scrutinising any changes ive been making since our argument finished. that to me is a sign of insecurity and vunerability. Aarandir 15:36, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

It is up to me whose talk pages and user pages I keep on my watchlist. There was a fair use image on your userpage, so I removed it. — Fire Fox 15:39, 21 July '06

tut tut tut... ive never met someone soo immature in a relatively high position of responsibily. i wish there was a way your adminship could be revised. Aarandir 15:42, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't really see what your problem is now, and I don't see how I am being "soo immature" either. Would you care to enlighten me? I would really like to find out what it is I am doing so wrong, and as you asked about adminship, reading WP:DR might help you if you want to make some kind of complaint or something... I'd like to hear about how I am being immature like you say. Cheers, — Fire Fox 16:26, 21 July '06

leave me alone please, its very obvious that picture was made by me. and i dont care about a copyright, its free for whoever to use. Aarandir 15:55, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

You should care about copyright. In a way, the whole of Wikipedia revolves around it. The image will be deleted unless the copyright status can be provided. — Fire Fox 16:02, 21 July '06

you have demonstrated to me the extent of your immaturity. leave me alone and never talk to me again please. thankyou. from now on, as far as i care you dont exist. Aarandir 16:01, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] A Truce?

Right, so I know we've had our difficulties with each other in the past, and I was hoping that we could just put the past behind us and try to get along with each other? I'm sure it would make both our lives and work on Wikipedia much easier and enjoyable. I apologise for anything I did in the past that may have annoyed/irritated/upset/angered you, and I just want to know if we can both put this behind us now and carry on as 'friends', if you like. Thanks, — FireFox ^(talk) _{10:15, 31 July '06}

thanks for apologising, i accept you apology, and i apologise aswell if i said anything that was hurtful. yes i would like to be friends. its just that at the time it seemed to me you were stringently upholding rather pointless rules, but nevermind i am over it and im not bothered if nikki grahame doesnt get her own page. Aarandir 11:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image source?

Hi - do you have a source where this image came from? Image:Kalashg.jpg - I'd like to use it in an article, but without a source I'm afraid it will just be deleted. Did you get it from the web somewhere? -- Stbalbach 17:17, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unspecified source for Image:Kalashg.jpg

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