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[edit] Long Horse

Wrt Long Horse: You reverted the most truthful version of the page to date. It seems that if there is any merit at all to having this page in wikipedia, the page you reverted by McGeddon was the best candidate. Would you please consider undoing your revert. --RanchoRosco 21:37, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thoughts on Penumbra (game) article

I noticed you just deleted the article on Penumbra (game). This article was over a tech demo. Since it has been announced that the developers are making a full-length, commercial version of the game which has gotten coverage on various major gaming websites (such as Gamespot and IGN), would it be okay to create the article about this game as opposed to the tech demo? The commercial version was only briefly mentioned in the article, but changing it to be the focus of the article makes it more notable. ShadowMan1od 21:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CakeProphet vote

You left a support vote for The prophet wizard of the crayon cake ([1]). I don't question your opinion, but I don't really understand it based on the comment given; was it meant to be an oppose vote? Ral315 (talk) 22:32, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, just making sure you didn't click the wrong section. I wasn't sure on the face of the comment whether it was sarcasm or an accident. Ral315 (talk) 22:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your input is requested

Your input would be appreciated at this Request for Comments. Kelly Martin (talk) 19:45, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Man, you just can't leave it alone, can you?

Despite it dodging the bullet you aimed at it for AFD, you'd just like to see the article go down in any way possible, wouldn't you? Doesn't matter if it was cleaned up or anything. - BlazeHedgehog 10:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Cut it out, dude. Do you want to get in trouble with the Ninja of Peace again??!? --Luigifan 12:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding WP:Software

This is a proposed guideline, and as such isn't a suitable reason to delete an article (yet). I mention this as you have placed this as a rational for a number of AfDs. Lack of references however is a reason for proposing a deletion, so I suggest that it may be better to stick to this rational for AfD (as many of the articles you list have had referencing trouble. Jefffire 14:12, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Weak Atheism

I would like to pose the same question to you that I just put in the talk page for strong and weak atheism. I wrote that I thought that the article should be redirected because the terms strong and weak atheism were illogical, strong atheism is atheism by definition and weak atheism is agnosticism by definition and the terms seemed to me to have no meaning, I read your response to somebody making like-minded arguments except he/she had a problem with the very term, whereas I have more of a question over what makes the terms different from agnostic and atheist. Of course I wouldn't actually redirect an article without talking to other editors and hate to be a bother but it would help put my mind at ease if you could explain as a weak atheist what differences there are between your views and agnosticism or differences between the terms themselves. I have no problem with the content but my question is more based on semantics and the fact that the terms are mentioned repeatedly in the article on atheism. Please forgive me if the question makes me look like a jerk, I don't mean it that way, its really an honest question on terminology.--Colin 8 00:11, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Secular ethics

I just wrote something that might apply and wondered what your opinion was. More relevantly you might be able to help me find citations, you may disagree with my findings but I think its at least a valid argument as well as the best argument I've written down (sad though that might be) and I can't believe that I'm the first to make these basic points (probably others made them more eloquently) and figure you might have read some authors or pundits or whatever who made these points and what the fathers of secular ethics opinions were. I figured if you could help me find some citations than you could add a counter-argument and it could really improve this article. Sorry to bother you again. --Colin 8 02:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AfD Nomination: Facade Computer

I've nominated the article Facade Computer for deletion under the Articles for deletion process. We appreciate your contributions, but in this particular case I do not feel that Facade Computer satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion. I have explained why in the nomination space (see What Wikipedia is not and Deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Facade Computer. Don't forget to add four tildes (~~~~) at the end of each of your comments to sign them. You are free to edit the content of Facade Computer during the discussion, but please do not remove the "Articles for Deletion" template (the box at the top). Doing so will not end the discussion. -- Chondrite 16:47, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Admin coaching

Hi Andrevan. I've been coordinating the admin coaching program lately. Would you like a student? If so I will match you with one. Thank you for participating. --Fang Aili ^talk 18:31, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. I should be lining up a student soon. --Fang Aili ^talk 17:37, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I've matched you with User:Icelandic Hurricane. Please contact him/her to get started, and update your status when the coaching becomes "official". Thank you! --Fang Aili ^talk 22:53, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello! Finally, I actually like being a student for something that I like! Yay! Anyway, nice to meet you. íslenskur fel lib ylur #12 _(samtal) 21:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I think I'll be ready around 19:15 UTC. I won't be home until about 18:50 UTC, so yea. Then I think I'll be ready to start getting coached. íslenskur fel lib ylur #12 _(samtal) 16:55, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

No sorry. The closest to that would be the chatroom on my freewebs site (http://www.freewebs.com/icehurr6974). You can go on that if you want. íslenskur fel lib ylur #12 _(samtal) 16:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello--just checking in with you and your student. Have you figured out how to communicate with eachother? Has any coaching taken place? Please let me know. Thank you! --Fang Aili ^talk 15:30, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adventures of Fatman afd

Please ~~do not make up lies~~ be more specific about the quality of links: "Many (if not all) of the sources recently added seem not to meet WP:EL". Which ones, pray tell? (edited to take out my previous incivility) --Amaccormack 16:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The first 3D Game made

Sorry Andrea I made a mistake and I owe you a apology. But what I found out that the true first 3D Game ever made was a PS game called Jumping Flash which was released in Japan only. I edited it in that page and I put in that it was the first 3D game. It was made at 1995. Is that okay??? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Milos Warrior (talk • contribs) 08:08, 17 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Nintendo Power

Hello, you said on the CVG Magazine talk page that you have a lot of Nintendo Power magazines. Could you look to see if you have the ones with the review for Turok: Dinosaur Hunter and Turok 2: Seeds of Evil? Also, if there is anything like a preview of Turok 2 that would be good for a development section would also be appreciated. Thanks. Thunderbrand 15:52, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Left a message

I got message from Andrevan. However, I do know how to use the 4 tides feature. I'm not new to Wikipedia. OhanaUnited 17:06, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ...

Sir, I honestly don't know what you were thinking. You have deleted articles for many good games that have solid reputations. You deleted games, such as Jumper!, Ark 22, Hovecraft 3D, among others. My current Example: Jumper!. You said it were non-notable. Well, notability is a PROPOSED guideline. "The following is a proposed Wikipedia policy, guideline, or process. The proposal may still be in development, under discussion, or in the process of gathering consensus for adoption. References or links to this page should not describe it as "policy".

A proposal's acceptance or rejection is not determined simply by counting votes."

Also, as per the rules of having more than one link where the software is not hosted, for Jumper alone I can give you some of sites. Just google "jumper ogmo": http://www.inverteddungeon.com/docpan/jumper.html http://gamemakergames.com/?a=view&id=1110 http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1546599 It is not a "fangame". Wikipedia's fangame article straight up says: "Fangames are computer and video games made by fans featuring popular based on one or more established video games." Jumper has Fangames based from it, and it is not a remake, etc of another game, though it does feature things that are reminiscant of popular platformers.

Now, I just want to make something clear with you, however. I am not meaning to attack you, and I really have nothing against you. I just think that some articles were unfairly deleted. With your blessings, I would like to restart the Jumper article, and mabye the other articles too, with some help from people that play them more than I do.

I present my case, and await your reply. --Injur3d 02:13, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Thanks for going around trying to delete everything I've ever touched. Good to see that you're not bitter that you lost The Shivah, Ben Jordan, 5 Days a Stranger, etc. --Amaccormack 11:25, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit]

Feliz Navidad

Tony the Marine

O.K., so maybe you don't believe in Santa, but I still want to wish you and your loved ones a "Happy Holidays" and all of the happiness in the world and the best new year ever. Your friend, Tony the Marine 23:55, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Merry Christmas in 100 languages

[edit] AfD?

Hello. What was your point in starting the AfD debate again? I agree that the way of closure was unconventional, but within the good purview of WP:IAR. Neither you nor the other participants cared to dig up sources on the issue. I brought out sources from CNN, BBC and other reliable sources. Please take this to WP:DRV and revert your edits. — Nearly Headless Nick 16:44, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Sir, another administrator has left a message on my talk page. Regards, — Nearly Headless Nick 17:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Super Mario 64 Trivia

Why did you delete my trivia?! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by R-RockMan.EXE (talk • contribs) 07:04, 23 December 2006 (UTC).

Hey, I'd like to ask the same question (mine was about the 'L is Real' texture being in OoT). Cheers, Fvh3 20:39, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

So, if I show a photo, I can show that about the pillars? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by R-RockMan.EXE (talk • contribs) 02:49, 24 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Mozilla Firefox FAR

Mozilla Firefox has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Sandy (Talk) 21:54, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

My query to the FAR nominator was just for clarification, and I'm sorry this was taken the wrong way. LuciferMorgan 22:54, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merry Christmas

'Tis the season to be forgiving. Sorry for being an ass, at least all these adventure game afds has resulted in better articles remaining behind. I hope you can also say no hard feelings. --Amaccormack 14:08, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Agathoclea's RfA

Hello, and thank you for the support on my recent RfA. The final tally was 63/3/2, and I have now been entrusted with the mop. I hope I can live up to your trust, and certainly welcome any and all feedback. All the best, and thanks again! — Agathoclea 13:59, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Rock Stuff

Hey, thanks. That's not the first time someone has made an article due to its appearance on my To-Do list, making it more of a sort of wishlist I guess! Are you coming to CMU as an undergrad or grad? I'll be finishing up my PhD at that point, but I'll still be around... — brighterorange (talk) 15:54, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] See before deletion

[2] Daakshayani 11:01, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome messages

Hello Andre. I removed Daakshayani's comments from your talk page. It was a sockpuppet of User:Kuntan, which has been established by checkuser and his edits. Also, I saw a welcoming message that you left on the page – [3], could you substitute the {{User:Andrevan/welcome}} template when you use it in the future? Yours sincerely, — Nearly Headless Nick 09:37, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Year

I Hope You Have A Happy New Year Andrevan!!!! ¿Why 1 9 9 1 ^{ESP. | Sign Here} 22:44, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I hope that you have a wonderful New Year and will party all night long. If you don't celebrate New year at this time well then happy early or late New Year and I still advise that you have a good time tonight!!! ¿Why 1 9 9 1 ^{ESP. | Sign Here} 22:44, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Happy New Year

(Feliz Año Nuevo)

Happy New Year from Tony the Marine 02:51, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I wish you and your loved ones all the happiness in the world this coming year.

[edit] Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw's Page Shouldn't be deleted!

His games are incredible, I am a big fan of his stories and a bigger fan of his games. If only one page should remain on Wikipedia is would be Yahtzee's. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.101.157.140 (talk) 19:23, 6 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Colour names?

I saw a person named "Gray Tortoise" have colour names when he/she signs name with the 4 tildes. How to do that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by OhanaUnited (talk • contribs) 05:06, 7 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Deletion Rampage

I like it how you can look stuff up on Wikipedia and it'll be there. Obscure stuff. Let's keep it that way, hmm? ~FarQ

[edit] Endless deletions

Hi. Before you make the assumption, I'm not some fanboy crying, "don't delete our articles". I am, however, curious as to why you seem so determined to have pages on Wikipedia deleted. After looking through your contributions, I notice that our interests have coincided twice - once when you went on your campaign of AfD nominations for Ben Croshaw and the articles that appear to have been rolled into 5 Days a Stranger series, and once earlier when you appeared on Talk:0.999.../Arguments telling us you wanted it to be deleted. The 0.999... thing doesn't really concern me because to anybody actually experienced in the article and its talk page, the necessity for such a thing is obvious.

I'm actually curious as you why you launched this one-man deletion campaign against amateur computer game producers. There seems to be no good reason for it. I'm a rational person who understands that there are some articles that deserve deletion, but I can't see why any rational person would behave in such a manner. It genuinely appears that you have some kind of antipathy towards Ben Croshaw or amateur game designers in general and are working in some bad-faith agenda. There is no other explanation for comments such as this. I have a hard time believing that anybody with purely good-faith intentions, hoping only for the improvement of Wikipedia, would ever make a comment like that. Why do you want these articles deleted? Please respond here and I will watch this page. Maelin (Talk | Contribs) 14:14, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Can I use your environmental tips?

I was sure you wouldn't mind, but I didn't want to use them without asking. It's the least I can do to further keeping our environment safe —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Faustus Tacitus (talk • contribs) 04:59, 21 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] help

help

Hi, i need your help

One of your admin, Doc glasgow , is threatening me and blocking my account. We have a dispute in the definition on living person.

Please contact me for more information.

Thanks

Senatorto

[edit] Admin coaching?

Just wondering if you and User:Icelandic Hurricane have done any admin coaching. Trying to keep tabs on the coaches and such. Please let me know. Thanks, Fang Aili ^talk 15:53, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Checking in again--are you still interested in being a coach? Please let me know. Thanks, Fang Aili ^talk 17:37, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Would you contact Icelandic Hurricane and see if he still wants to be coached? You can update your status here. Thank you for volunteering. :) --Fang Aili ^talk 14:50, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Super Mario 64

The statements I edited were completely unsourced, unreferenced, and glaring problems in an otherwise good article. The edit in the introduction was a very conservative edit and much more accurate than the language it originally used. The paragraph in the reception section really ought to be deleted entirely, since it's pretty much a contradiction of the rest of the article, and of common sense.Frogacuda 04:04, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I think my edit expressing the same idea in a way that is more factually accurate. I provided an excellent rationale. A defining game would be something like, say, Will Crowther's Collossal Cave Adventure. All adventure games by virtue of being adventure game bear similarities to that game. It litereally defined a new genre. Mario 64 served as an archetype for many, if not most, later games in the genre, and it was the most popular 3D platformer ever at the time of its release. However there are MANY 3D platformers which are universally hailed as such which have no influence of MArio 64. Thus it does not define the genre.

There's no defending the reception paragraph, and I've since deleted it. It's blatant POV, and if left in, IMO, it's a threat to the article's neutrality. At best it needs to be counterbalanced. Frogacuda 04:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

The rest of the article says the exact opposite, though, as do many other sources. It's a really weak argument. I can cite you 100 sources that say Super Mario Bros is the first scrolling platform game, but that doesn't make it true, it makes it a popular misconception. The reception article needs balancing. I'm not trying to slight the game. I love the game. I'm just trying to represent a broader view missing from the article.Frogacuda 04:27, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

There are no reliable sources that say that Mario 64 was mission based, attacking focused more on punching than jumping, that levels were no longer linear and time based, etc, etc? The whole article talks about how innovative and different it is, and yet it's supposed to have the same feel as an old school 2D game with linear monodirectional scrolling levels and arcade gameplay! You're just being stubborn for the sake of it, and you're not listening to what I'm saying.Frogacuda 04:39, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah, and if you actually read the 1up reference at the end of the paragraph there's nothing in it that even remotely supports the claim that Mario 64 captured the feel of the old series. And citing one source is not sufficient to support the claim that "many" felt that way. That would fall under the category of weasel words.Frogacuda 04:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mario 64

Andrevan, I'd really like to get the Mario 64 article up to FA status again, but you are aggressively sabatoging it, even if that isn't your intent. Please read the wiki manual on Neutral Point of View. References to not justify editorializing in an article. You can find a million sources that say it's a great game, but you shouldn't put "This is a great game[1][2]" in the article. You write, "it was hailed by many as a great game." Similarly you don't put a sentence that says "The game was so revolutionary..." or any other highly opinionated statements. These sentiments may be true, they may be popular, but they do not belong in a good wikipedia article.

Please refrain from policing genuine attempts to bring an articles status up based on your own particular sentiment. There are appropriate and inappropriate ways to phrase these thoughts, and I'm not trying to remove any content, I'm trying to maintain a neutral standpoint via wiki's own standards. Frogacuda 02:23, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

The refernced articles don't reflect the language used in the comment. Bits of it, perhaps, but not the whole sentence. Hence my edit. I kept the refs, and I kept the general sentiment of the statement, but I worded it in a neutral way that more accurately reflects the content of the references. It is a VERY strong, very opinionated statement, and does not come off as neutral in the slightest.

Please note that I'm not trying to remove the sentence about it being regarded by many as one of the greatest games of all time, and recognize the distinction. Frogacuda 02:35, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I've reworded it a bit as a compromise. I hope we can find a middle ground beyond trying to ignore my concerns. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Frogacuda (talk • contribs) 02:42, 30 January 2007 (UTC).

My main problem with your new edit is that none of the articles purport that Mario 64 set a standard by which all 3D games would be measured. The Gamespot link purports that it established "a new standard for the way 3D space in games would be navigated." This is (IMO) quite accurate, as its dynamic camera system and analog control have had far reaching impact. It doesn't mean that the game as a whole is neccessarily some kind of high water mark by which other games need be judged. That's a much more difficult claim to make. Frogacuda 02:51, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

It's not really splitting hairs. As it was, it smacked of hyperbole, and the point is stronger when it actually articulates something special about the game, which is probably why the article worded it as it did to begin with. I think it still accurately reflects the high regard in which it is held. Why do you find the current wording problematic or should be simplified to such hyperbole? Frogacuda 03:26, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Since you're not on AIM

I'll tell you here that I changed my mind and will remain on that web site. - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:31, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair-use images removed from your user page

Hello, Andrevan. I've removed some images from User:Andrevan/SM64, as they are copyrighted, unlicensed images that are being used on Wikipedia under claims of fair use. Unfortunately, by Wikipedia policies, no fair-use images can be used on user pages; please see the ninth item of the Wikipedia fair-use policy and Wikipedia:Removal of fair use images. These images have not been deleted from any articles. If you have any questions, please let me know. —Bkell (talk) 04:47, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Tireless Contributor Barnstar

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		I Meteoroid » award Andrevan this barnstar for his tireless work on many video game- related articles. Meteoroid » 01:31, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey Invitation

Hi there, I am a research student from the National University of Singapore and I wish to invite you to do an online survey about Wikipedia. To compensate you for your time, I am offering a reward of USD$10, either to you or as a donation to the Wikimedia Foundation. For more information, please go to the research home page. Thank you. --WikiInquirer 21:49, 3 March 2007 (UTC)^{talk to me}

[edit] Hello

Technically, I shouldn't contact you about this but this is disturbing. You believe that religion should not be mixed with government. Church and state means no National Church, not not minglement between government and religion. --69.67.231.5 23:49, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wall of Honor

Andrevan, How you been? It's been a long time. I just want you to know that I've inducted you into the "Wall of Honor{". Take care, Tony the Marine 22:40, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Wall of Honor
Andrevan

[edit] Centralized video game navbox discussion

You previously expressed a strongly-stated opinion about a video game navbox or all video game navboxes in general, or perhaps I clicked on your talk page by mistake. Whichever it is, you are invited to offer your opinion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games#Navboxes III: Son of Navboxes. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:26, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Main Page Vandalism

I see you vandalised the main page in November 2006. I suggest you stop. consider yourself warned. Rainbowwarrior1976 04:45, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] You are still listed on the Admin coaching request page

Your name is still listed at Requests for an admin coach. If you are no longer looking for a coach, or you currently have one, please remove yourself from that list. Thank you. The Transhumanist 23:50, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I think you sent me the wrong message. I am an admin coach (though I haven't done anything much yet), I'm not looking for one. Andre (talk) 00:09, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Then this works out well then, because your student contacted me stating that he forgot who his coach was. It's you! If you'd like to move forward with your coaching assignment, please contact Icelandic Hurricane to get started, and remove his name from the requests list. Have fun coaching. The Transhumanist 00:21, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

k. I'm ready. icelandic hur ric ane #12 _(talk) 20:44, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Kid Icarus/TOSE

I don't think TOSE developed this game. Although this is stated in various places on the Internet, I think that TOSE's role was to port the game to the Game Boy. As you can see at MobyGames, there are plenty of standard Nintendo R&D1 folks in the credits. Andre (talk) 22:35, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

As standard with TOSE's business practice. They almost never put their own programmers names in credits. It's possible that they would be behind the port for the GBA re-release, however the source I provided, as well as many others, point to them as the developers for the Disk System version (pre-dating the NES release). Since it is TOSE's practice to explicitly not use their own names on the games credits, they probably inserted R&D1 names (possible those who had a small role after the code was sent to Nintendo) because they needed to put something in there. Jmeriot 14:53, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

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