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Contents 1 Andy Malcolm image deletion 2 Done 3 Name suggestion 4 Image Deletion Questions 5 Why is the new Image:GaelicScotlandSpeakers2001.gif pretended to be deleted? 6 dear sir 7 image deletion 8 Clark 9 Deletion of John Tait Professor 10 Deletion of Irish Gaelic and Gaeilge na hÉíreann 11 help! my image is about to be deleted 12 image deletion 13 Cajun French 14 Primitive Irish language / your deletion 15 Image:Riya Book.png 16 Removal of tags 17 I'm confused 18 Image license question 19 fair use in portals 20 Why did you delete the Dramarama photo? 21 The Fair use images in the gallery for the article "Le Corsaire" 22 List of The Wire episodes 23 Foodstuff in Slovak 24 Moabit 25 Primitive Irish 26 Images in Article on Le Corsaire

[edit] Andy Malcolm image deletion

Dear Mr Angr. I see you deleted the image of my father playing football for West Ham Image:Andy Malcolm WHU Football Player.jpg which took me an evening of work to figure out how to upload - so I'm very disheartened and slightly angry to see it removed. As a novice user it would have been more helpful for me if you had given some reasoning. Please can you advise how this image should be labelled. Thanks NailsworthNick 22:57, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

It got deleted because when you uploaded it, you labeled it as a fair-use image of a living person, which automatically tags the image for deletion, because Wikipedia policy doesn't allow fair-use images of living people in most circumstances (see counterexample 8 of the fair use policy). Do you know who the photographer is? If so, you could ask him to release the image under a free license such as the GFDL or one of the Wikipedia-compatible Creative Commons Licenses. The important thing is that the photographer not gives permission to Wikipedia alone, but rather that he gives permission for anyone to reuse the image, including for commercial purposes and to make derivatives. Alternatively, since Andy Malcolm is your father, you could take a picture of him yourself and upload that, using one of the licenses at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#For image creators. —Angr 05:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. The photo was taken between 1953 and 1962 and shows Andy playing football wearing a West Ham team strip - I was given the photo by him and have no idea who took it over 40 years ago. I do not think that a picture of Andy age 73 would do justice to the article really - I would prefer a picture showing him as a player - a piece of history - he was at the time a very well known figure particularly in East London. Any other possibilities ?NailsworthNick 22:29, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Dear Mr Angr. please can you advise how I should get this picture of my father instated to illustrate the article - thanks NailsworthNick 21:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Done

Dear Mr Angr. I'd just like to alert you to the fact that I applied the changes to Sesotho language yesterday.

No, I wasn't asking all those questions just to make you angry (okay, maybe just a little), I really did spend a month and 3 days slaving away over a hot stove... I realise that the article is a bit long now and I'm working on that offline.

Could you possibly delete the old Image:Sesotho_vowel_chart.gif (I think it's on Meta) and perhaps also move those 18 files I uploaded yesterday to Meta?

The noise levels on those audio recordings are horrible and I'm only half planning on rerecording them, but Sesotho is a SPOKEN language first.

Thank you for all your help. Zyxoas (talk to me - I'll listen) 18:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Instead of deleting the old version at Commons, I uploaded the new version on top of it and deleted the new name here at Wikipedia. That way there's only one name to have to keep track of, and it can be used in other languages as well. —Angr 18:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Name suggestion

Dear Angr,

I am a first generation Irish American. My mother was from Cork and my father from Mayo. They named me Bernard after my grandfather, but always called me Brian. My driver's license and most documents are in Brian. I love to travel Internationally, but since 911, I get extra scrutiny at airports. I'm thinking of changing my first name, but would love to stay with an Irish name. Bernard is a very old fashioned name in the US, and Brian is very common. Any suggestions? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.132.185.246 (talk) 02:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Image Deletion Questions

I have a few questions in response to some pictures I uploaded and their subsequent deletion/flagging by yourself. The first is Image:Kids_on_the_Ped.jpg‎ which was tagged for deletion over copyright issues that I hopefully have cleared up after being told of the problem. The second is over Image:Iowa_City_aerial.jpg. I don't understand why this one was deleted without any notice or chance to fix it. I am quite new to Wiki, and if you could help me by explaining what the problem was, and maybe how I can avoid the same thing and lighten your future workload a little that would be great. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated! American007 05:09, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

The trouble with both images is that they are copyrighted images used under a fair use claim. But Wikipedia policy does not allow such images if they are replaceable, and this one is: we don't need a copyrighted image of public places in Iowa City, because any Wikipedian in Iowa City could go and take a picture of them himself. Therefore, I'm retagging Image:Kids on the Ped.jpg as a replaceable fair use image. And what do you mean, you're "quite new to Wiki"? You've been here since July 2005! —Angr 05:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why is the new Image:GaelicScotlandSpeakers2001.gif pretended to be deleted?

It is really much more clear and easily seen than the previous map for "Current distribution of Gaelic speakers in Scotland" version, which now has been reverted as "official map" in the "Scottish Gaelic language" article.

It conveys exactly the same information. There's no point in having two images conveying the same information. If you don't like the colors, you can change them on the existing image. —Angr 13:04, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] dear sir

I want to ask that why you removed pictures from Gujar khan Page..? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.101.191.30 (talk) 00:41, 23 March 2007 (UTC).

The images were deleted for having insufficient source information or for being "fair use" images of public places, which are replaceable by freely licensed images. —Angr 05:57, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] image deletion

You initially deleted Image:posner_1.jpg because it did not have adequate fair use documentation, which I understand. I replaced the initial photo with a new one that was open to Public use from Flickr, and provided a link where you could view it. The person who took this photograph (and if you follow the link you can see all their bio information) has expressly permitted public use of the photo. I am not sure what else you would like to see documented. Let's discuss but I would like to re-add the photo as I think it is appropriate. Perhaps documentation needs improved? PadreNuestro 13:03, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

The Flickr page you linked to said clearly "© All rights reserved"; nevertheless you put a {{GFDL}} tag on it. It isn't licensed by the GFDL, or by a Wikimedia-suitable Creative Commons License. "This is a public image" on Flickr only means you don't have to be a logged-on user to see the picture; it says nothing about using the image. "All rights reserved" means it's an unfree image, so we can't use it here. Anyone in the vicinity could take a picture of the building and release it under a free license, so there's no reason to use a copyrighted image of it (and doing so violates Wikipedia policy). —Angr 13:08, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

If I personally know the person who took the photo and they gave me express permission to use it, would that change anything? Also, not familiar with the creative commons stuff you're talking about (fairly new to all this). Once I get this person's express permission to use this do I need to do anything else? Let me know, thanksPadreNuestro 13:22, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

You can read about the Creative Commons Licenses at that article. The ones that are acceptable are CC-BY (attribution) and CC-BY-SA (attribution, sharealike). "NC" (noncommercial) and "ND" (no derivatives) licenses are not acceptable. If you know the photographer, try to persuade him to change his Flickr licensing to CC-BY or CC-BY-SA so that Wikipedia can use it. Permission for Wikipedia to use the image isn't actually enough, because Wikipedia is a free content encyclopedia, meaning our material has to be reusable by others, even for commercial purposes. —Angr 13:29, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clark

Hi sir, thank you for your good advice i really appreciate it. It is to soon to nominate myself for adminship indeed. I am not the kind of user that edits really. I only read but as i have spent alot of time on reading articles i´ve discovered users who do not follow Wikipedia´s policy. Therefor i am sure i can become an admin more quickly than most in order to convince and help users who are in trouble, to make them better users for Wikipedia. I´ve read almost everything there is to know about Wikipedia. I also would like to help with images as i see many risk to put Wikipedia in legal jeopardy so i hope to help with that aswell. Please write to me again if you still think i should be giving a quick adminship. Thanks Clark 14:58, 23 March 2007

Not the kind of user who edits really? That's a laugh. Virtually none of the vandals who have attacked Wikipedia have more sockpuppets than this user. --Yamla 22:22, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of John Tait Professor

Hi, Please let me know what is the definition of notability? and is this a strong reason to delete my contribution about John Tait, this sounds very strange.

Anyway this wasn't a finished contribution and shouldn't be deleted, kindly return the con tent back.

Thank you Mustafa —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mabusalah (talk • contribs) 16:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC).

Please read WP:BIO for discussion of how to determine whether a person is notable enough for a Wikipedia article. —Angr 16:03, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of Irish Gaelic and Gaeilge na hÉíreann

Can you please explain? Eog1916 17:50, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

The terminology is discussed in the "Names of the language" section. The infobox should be kept short and sweet, using the most common names for the language, which is "Irish" in English and "Gaeilge" in Irish. Especially in Irish, it's only called "Gaeilge na hÉireann" if it's being contrasted with Scottish Gaelic and/or Manx. —Angr 17:57, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] help! my image is about to be deleted

Image:tycoonalex.jpg
i uploaded this image of myself, and it is about to be deleted because of copyright. how do i stop it being deleted as i want to use it for my user page.

[edit] image deletion

Hello! I noticed that you removed an image from the page: One SeaGate. I have spent time working on that article, and I just wanted to know why it was removed, and my options for replacement. Please comment back on my talk page. Thanks! Wpktsfs 22:42, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt reply. Wpktsfs 16:33, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I posted a new picture, which I took today.Wpktsfs 02:39, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cajun French

Hello, I contacted you on your Wikimedia page about French in the United States. My feeling is that most people in Louisiana who speak French speak Cajun French, and what happened with the census is that some people named their dialect while others named the language, without that necessarily meaning that different answers meant that people spoke different things. It seems about 10% of French-speakers responded "Cajun" in Louisiana. While this didn't make too much of a difference in French in the United States since most people responded "French", the effect of assuming that only people who said "Cajun" speak Cajun French is dramatic on the page Cajun French, because the figures in the map are probably about 10 times lower than they should be. I would like to remove the map, and suggest a new one based on "French" + "Cajun" figures. I don't know how to make these maps, so I can't make a new one myself. I hope you won't be offended that I've removed the map. 169.229.140.70 02:35, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

It's probably a good idea to merge "French" and "Cajun French" together. I'll see what I can do about making a new map. —Angr 08:45, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Primitive Irish language / your deletion

Dear Angr, you say: "If a viewpoint is held by an extremely small (or vastly limited) minority, it does not belong in Wikipedia"), and I say that N Ostler is a language professor and therefore his view on a possible semitic substrate should be included. PIL as a subject has by definition a small number of aficionados. Not saying NO is 100% right; maybe you also have written a 600+ page book on the history of languages, and know better? Can I just remove any reference in wikipedia because the underlying book was written by just one professor? I think not, but I am new to editing.Red Hurley 13:39, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

The issue is not how many professors have written books on an issue, but how widely the theory itself is actually believed and/or discussed. There are only a handful of linguists who believe in a Semitic or Afro-Asiatic substrate for the Celtic languages; the vast majority of linguists with an opinion on the issue believe the idea isn't worth pursuing, and therefore completely ignore it in their writing. The fact that one or two cranks doggedly hold onto a theory despite the fact that there's no evidence to support it doesn't make the theory notable enough to be mentioned in Wikipedia. —Angr 13:46, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, we'll file him away as a crank. Pity, I enjoyed his book.Red Hurley 14:06, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Riya Book.png

The image was going through a replaceable fair use dispute, which have not closed yet. I, the unloader, have made have made considerable arguments to validate its fair use, and have made changes to the article that uses the image to conform to Wikipedia principles. It uses a plain fair use license tag, with elaborate rationales, provided with readily verifiable external links (not a logo, promotional, book cover, album art, screen shot or any such specific fair use tag). How did it become an image with a clearly invalid fair use tag; or it is an image that fails some part of the fair use criteria? The fair use dispute was about the first fair use criterion, not a clearly invalid fair use tag. Surely there must be mistake here. Aditya Kabir 13:47, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

The tag is for an image with a clearly invalid fair use tag OR an image that fails some part of the fair use criteria. In this case, the image fails fair use criterion 1 in being replaceable. The rationale that's been written still doesn't explain why this particular photograph is so iconic that it must be used in the article. —Angr 13:50, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

The argument also says that it was monumental event in her career, explained in detail on the article page. The argument can be debated, but should not go for speedy deletion. I hope there is still space for discussion on Wikipedia. Aditya Kabir 13:58, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Besides, the Invalid fair-use claim clause says - Media that fail any part of the fair use criteria and were uploaded after 13 July 2006 may be deleted forty-eight hours after notification of the uploader. I was nottified. But, that's a minor point. The discussioon is more important here. Aditya Kabir 14:04, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

It's been tagged for speedy deletion for several weeks now. The new {{db-i7}} tag doesn't change anything. —Angr 14:00, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I have expanded the rationale on the image page. Please advise. Would you prefer that I use the {{promotional}} tag used on image pages - Image:Claudia Schiffer Guess 1.jpg and Image:Kate Moss Calvin Klein.jpg? May be an IFD? Aditya Kabir 15:02, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not the one who will be deciding this. If I were I would have already either kept it with {{rk}} or deleted it. I just put the tag on as a reminder that the image is overdue for having a decision made. —Angr 16:02, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Fully agreed. Someone needs to decide on it, delete or whatever, though I'd like to keep it, I guess. Would you, please, lend me a hand and take it to IFD? I don't think I should be advocating a delete and take it to IFD myself. Thank you very much. Aditya Kabir 14:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think taking it to IFD will give you the result you want. Someday an admin will come along and make a decision on whether it's replaceable or not. If the case you've made is strong enough, it will be kept. —Angr 14:02, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of tags

Hello.

Just to let you know that User:Deathrocker has removed the {{db-i7}} tag you inserted at Image:SerieATrophy.jpg.--TermsThey 18:46, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello, Angr. Just dropping by to apologize for any legitimate edits/tags of yours I may have obliterated while chasing after TermsThey and other sockpuppets of Panairjdde, who is a banned user. An IP range block can't be enforced because of how his ISP assigns addresses, so I'm trying to reinforce the message that he isn't permitted to edit (even though some of his edits may be incidentally correct). Thanks for your understanding. Dppowell 23:16, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I'm confused

I noticed that you tagged roughly 100 fairuse images (or more) for speedy deletion over at C:CSD. That actually confuses me a bit as to why you did that, and it makes it inadvertantly harder for csd patrollers to clear it, plus since you're an admin, you could have certianly deleted them yourself. Not sure what you were trying to do actually...--Wizardman 23:09, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

The backlog of images awaiting deletion is too big for me to delete all by myself. But most admins don't bother deleting anything that isn't directly in CAT:CSD, which means the backlog in other categories just gets bigger and bigger. So images I can delete quickly (those that aren't in use) I delete, and those that are in use (meaning deletion goes slower because you have to remove red links) I tag for speedy deletion so that they don't just sit in their deletion categories for weeks and months before getting deleted. —Angr 04:18, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image license question

Hello Angr. I have a quick question. Image:222tce.png has {{No rights reserved}}, but I can't upload it with Commonshelper with that tag. Would be acceptable to add {{PD-self}}, as that seems to be the case? How much deduction is reasonable in adding license tags? Really obvious stuff only I presume, but if it's none at all... Angus McLellan (Talk) 17:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd call it {{PD-ineligible}} as it doesn't seem to meet the threshold of originality required to claim copyright. —Angr 18:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] fair use in portals

there is currently a proposed amendment to include fair use images in the portal space at Wikipedia:Fair use/Amendment/Fair use images in portals2. I have decided to contact you because you expressed interest in this topic in the past. Please know that I am contacting all editors who partipated in discussions regarding this at WT:FUC. If you feel I contactd you in error, or just don't care :) please ignore me. -ΖαππερΝαππερ ^Babel_Alexandria 22:52, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why did you delete the Dramarama photo?

I had permission from the band to post that photo, so why did you remove it? It was from their press kit from the early 1990s. Thank you. I too was really unhappy to see it had been unceremoniously removed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Schneile (talk • contribs) 03:25, 27 March 2007 (UTC).

Wikipedia can't use images by permission, because we are a free content encyclopedia whose material has to be reusable by others for any purpose, including commercial uses. Therefore Wikipedia policy requires that only freely licensed images of living people be used in most cases. You can read the fair use policy here. —Angr 04:22, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Fair use images in the gallery for the article "Le Corsaire"

What exactly is your M.O. for going through the article on "Le Corsaire" and disputing the use of the images?

--Mrlopez2681 06:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Trying to get the article to comply with Wikipedia's fair-use policy. Almost none of the fair use images on that page do. —Angr 06:18, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Aside form this photo in the gallery (which I feel should be more pronounced anyway) - Image:Le Corsaire -nureyev -1.jpg, the rest of the photos can go, for they are not important really. --Mrlopez2681 06:52, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of The Wire episodes

Noting that you edited List of The Wire episodes within the last few months I wonder if you have an opinion about the use of screenshots in this article and would welcome your opinion here if you have time.--Opark 77 22:47, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Foodstuff in Slovak

Thanks for pitching in on my query. This was the first time I touted (and demonstrated) the WP Language Reference Desk to the e-community of English-language copyeditors that is CE-L (numbering over a thousand subscribers). It'll be interesting if this generates further interest and activity here. I'm always pleased to show off the positive features of Wikipedia, which as you're no doubt aware is often dismissed as untrustworthy due to its "written-by-volunteers" nature. Go, us! -- Cheers, Deborahjay 23:01, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Moabit

Just thought I'd mention: I only recently discovered Moabit when tracking down info on Berlin synagogues to cite in archival photo captions. Small world...! -- Deborahjay 23:04, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

There's a synagogue in Moabit??? —Angr 04:11, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I didn't mean/imply/say that there is; there was. I encountered the name of the Moabit district in texts I was translating about a major pre-WWII synagogue on Levetzowstrasse, which our source text gives as situated in Moabit. That synagogue and another on Fasanenstrasse were destroyed (though I don't have details about the circumstances); the latter was rebuilt as Berlin's new Jewish community center; the former, to the best of my knowledge, was not. Read about these and others on this Berlin synagogues Web page. (See under Fraenkelufer Synagogue.) The pertinent photos of the Levetzowstrasse Synagogue before and after the war, held in the Ghetto Fighters' House archives, can be viewed on its online archive; Cat. Nos. 43339 and 14223-14229, respectively. Thanks for your interest! -- Cheers, Deborahjay 14:22, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Primitive Irish

We are told that this is/was spoken in the state of 'Ireland'???? Please explain.Eog1916 17:11, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

No, Primitive Irish was spoken on the island of Ireland at a time before there was a unified state on the island. —Angr 17:15, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

When was there a unified state? Eog1916 19:00, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images in Article on Le Corsaire

Are you familiar with any free/public domain images of performances/performers in the ballet "Le Corsaire"? If so, then I can see how you could very well know that the images are replaceable.

I have sneaking suspicion that you know absolutely nothing concerning any free/public domain images of anything to do with the ballet discussed in the article Le Corsaire. With that, I do not understand how you could have any tagged the images in the manner that you did.

So what is the hold up? What person or what group of people are going to determine the fate of the use of these images?

--Mrlopez2681 10:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

What matters for Wikipedia policy is that free images could be made, not that free images already exist. Fair-use images are only allowed when there's something specific about the image in question that makes it unreplaceable. If the article discusses some specific performance of the ballet and the image depicts that particular performance being discussed, it's probably not replaceable. If the image is being used to show just any performance of it, it is. As for when the decision will be made, look at the backlog in Category:Replaceable fair use images to get a feel for how many other images there already are on which decisions have to be made. —Angr 10:15, 30 March 2007 (UTC)