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[edit] Randroide

I also suggested an alternative wording I think is a bit more informative that yours: ...alleguedly islamist but disputed 2004 madrid train bombings.

Paste it if you think is better, if not, your wording is good enough for me.

Bulletproof vest is a bad, bad title, really. To avoid endless discussions about which term is more "popular" I suggest to preserve "Bulletproof" as a redirection page with a brief explanation about the history of the term (in the renaissance they really "proofed" metallic armour shooting at it, so the hump of the bullet in the cuirass showed you that the gear was "proofed") and why is incorrect applied to contemporary ballistic vests.

Body armour is also a very bad title for an article about Ballistic vests. For instance: A helmet, any military helmet, from Corinthian classic helmets to the PASGT helmet, is also "Body armour". ~~Nevertheles, Body armor (and Body armour) should also be created~~.

S**t!!!!!. They are already redirected!. Bad, bad, bad. I have on my desk a book named "Body armour" ISBN 1574882937, that covers from wooden shields to riot police gear. Please fix this mess, Asterion, because the current presentation is misleading to the reader.

Done: I redirected Body armor and Body armour to Armour, that is the correct article. Users groaned and moaned in the talk pages of both pages about the incorrect redirection to "Bulletoproof vest". "Body Armour" can NOT be the new title for "Bulletpooff vest", the existence of Armour is just another reason.

Happy new year, Asterion!. Randroide 19:04, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] cross-posting

I have seen now your message, I was not aware that it was not allowed; I apologize and thank you for you warning. I was trying to alert Administrators to abusive tagging by Wikipedia editors, who joined like a gang, which have been deleting for a long time good science articles at Wikipedia, and no one seems to care to stop them. Thanks --Utad3 02:51, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Btw, how can I contest the deletion "prod"? tag that was posted in the article Creation: The Physical Truth? There was another tag at the talk page of this article for speedy deletion, I wrote there may reasons to constested it but that tag was then removed. May you help please? --Utad3 04:02, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I think I've already found out how to contest that tag. Thanks anyway. --Utad3 04:14, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

This same user Utad3 has spammed Wikipedia twice anonymously as 213.58.99.22 with links to copies of its articles on Creation: The Physical Truth and Harold Aspden at PowerPedia - please see User talk:213.58.99.22 and Special:Contributions/213.58.99.22 for details. -- Jeff G. 17:55, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Firefox proxy testing

Firefox proxy testing is not a guaranteed method. I've been wanting the WP:OP experts to post some documentation on best practices but I don't think that's happened yet. Anyway, I have Firefox 1.5.0.7 and go to Tools → Options → on the General "tab", click the Connection Settings button → choose the Manual proxy configuration radion button → type the IP and port number → OK out of the various screens. Now you're going through that proxy and your real IP is being hidden. If you can still get to Wikipedia and get to an edit screen successfully, that means you're in. Again, don't take my word as gospel as I'm sure someone will come in and contradict me before long... —Wknight94 (talk) 14:32, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re Koavf

Fayssal, Koavf's requesting to be unblocked. I think he's been off wikipedia for long enough to reflect about the past and I concur his contributions to wikipedia were also good, problems aside. Would you support a review at WP:AN given the case? Thanks, Asterion^talk 07:10, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Asterion. I'll not be supporting Koavf's return unless he is partially banned on Morocco/Western Sahara related articles as i commented at the AN/I. In order to secure that we must present the case Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee for enforcement before allowing a banned user to return. -- Szvest - ^{Wiki me up ®} 11:04, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

That sounds reasonable to me. Asterion^talk 11:17, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you for your support

Thank you for your support in the RfA on my behalf. It is an honor to have received your expression of confidence. To be chosen as an administrator requires a high level of confidence by a broad section of the community. Although I received a great deal of support, at this time I do not hold the level of confidence required, and the RfA did not pass. It is my wish that I will continue to deserve your confidence. Sincerely, --BostonMA ^talk 16:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disambig Userpages

Hi Asterion,

Saw your comment here - Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User names, about the problem with Google searches and Userpages. This affects us all - see [1] but in my case I believe I am the only person on the planet to use my name :).

Anyway my suggestion is - bring this up at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals), and/or suggest that all pages should have code written into them explaining they are Userpages not part of the encyclopaedia, and if an article exists to disambig to it. To try to do this manually is not possible, ever. So though lots of users wont like having such a notice at the top of their page, it will give Wikipedia more cred on the internet.

Alternatively could contact Google and suggest that pages beginning [[User:... are not include in their searches.

Just some ideas - Cheers Lethaniol 11:36, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

That sounds sensible. I will put some words together as soon as I get back to England. Asterion^talk 22:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hello, can you please check?

User:Aldux seems to be abusing his moderator powers to push his POV and that of his Italian pals. Check his contributions [2] at Francesco Patrizi, Giovanni Luppis, Andrea Meldolla, Benedetto Cotrugli, Nenad Bjelica, Osijek. He is removing valid upgrades and content to a lesser correct and highly POV versions. The first four are identical disputes as in Giulio Clovio and Giorgio Orsini articles so the policy introduced there should be applied on these articles too. --89.172.207.60 21:51, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Apologies but I am not familiar with any of these historical figures (aside Bjelica because I'm a Real Betis supporter). In all honesty, it looks as a content dispute and Aldux has not used any special admin buttons. Any editor can revert an edit if they think it is not verifiable. All I can say is that you could place a request for comments for uninvolved editors to express their views. Regards, Asterion^talk 22:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Heh well the problem is I don't really know how to do that, even with the explnation it seems extremely complicated to me. The point is that this is really a minor problem. The person in question (Aldux) seems to removing valid content such as the names in Croatian for those people and cat's connected with them and even corrections to the link. For example in Giovanni Luppis he keeps reverting Austro-Hungarian Navy to non-existant Austrian Navy and putting construction 'Italian Officer' when the man was born, lived and died in Austria-Hungary so he could have been only Austro-Hungarian officer (that he was an ethnic Italian no one disputes). In Francesco Patrizi article he again removes his name in Croatia and Croatian cat while putting cat "Italians from Yugoslavia"?! The man was born in 16th century there was no Yugoslavia, same for Italy, he was Venetian (Republic of Venice) and if this designation is good for Marco Polo it's good for Patrizi as well. The same goes for Meldolla and Cotrugli. And Nenad Bjelica as a Serb is totally unreferenced, there is absolutly no proof or source given to this claim. Please mediate! --89.172.201.74 06:23, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Asterion. Actually, I don't see it as a content dispute, I mean on my part; there is obviously a content dispute among editors, but this doesn't involve me, as I'm agnostic regarding the nationalities of these guys, and really don't care much. To be clearer, if a legitimate editor inserted the same content I would have no reason to rollback, as I'm only interested here in preventing Afrika paprika (talk • contribs) from attempting to evade his ban, and blocking his new socks. All the content Afrika/Factanista is speaking of regards edits made by others, and not by me; as far as I remember, I only copyedited Andrea Meldolla, that had been written in a very bad English. You may have noted that all the articles in question are semiprotected; this was because of Afrika's sockpuppeterring, that forced me to raise a chain of sp articles to make his activities more difficult. To circumvent this, he created Praskaton (talk • contribs), that, strangely, edited only the article that are sp because of Afrika, and restored Afrika/Factanista's previous edits. And a last note: the IP that sent this complaint is in the range of Afrika's ip accounts, see Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Afrika paprika. Ciao,--Aldux 17:34, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Post by Nateland (Sry the new heading didn't get posted right.....)

[edit] vandalism to article on adolescence/ non nuetral points of view MAJOR HELP NEEDED!!!

I have been dealing with the article on adolesescence, namely the part on adolescent sexuality and neogitiating the removal of data of HIGHLY dubious viability and which is obviously opinionated (Lot's of the data is from a single book by leonard sax which is not easily accessible by the average person) And i have placed in more accurate and backed up Center for disease control data on adolescent rates of std transmission/pregnancy rates which have been CONSISTENTLY deleted along with the references DESPITE my asking for proof of sax's 'studies' and 'facts' to be given in an internet reference and for possible other sources on this controversial subject to be used that aren't obviously against it.

What concerns me the most is that it is FILLED with data from just ONE book by a supposed guru on adolescence who claims to have all the facts on teen sexuality and it's dangers and how while my attempts to make the article more nuetral and at least input data from both sides of the debate are overwritten...

There's the fact that some teen or parent might go to the article on adolesence and after reading a few paragraphs on the topic of teen sexuality (Which despite my best efforts is somehow constantly returned back to it's highly biased and non nuetral state by trolls) would declare it horribly dangerous and thus likely cause A LOT of worries, suppression, etc. etc. and EVEN MORE fear about the horrors of teen sex, WITHOUT even allowing for opinions to prove that STD transmission rates and pregnancies have gone down among teens in the last few years without being waaaayyy at the bottom behind the MASSES of Leonard Sax and exclusively right wing opninions, I'm requesting that the topic is locked until a consensus can be reached and if no proof of the dubious (at best) claims about teenage emotional shallowness can be brough out that someone helps me to stop this constant trolling....

The anti vandalism bot reverted my correction where i moved up the CDC data to the top and added teen sexuality based on country to the almost original super biased state...

I've decided to take this to an administrator and i think that you might be correct, currently I am about the only person to be against what i see as unnuetral, biased, and un wikified data on teen sexuality and I'm wondering if you could scan over the current version (It might have been reverted by someone again to it's old state which is what concerns me the most) And perhaps revert it to my version and lock it down until my concerns can be met.

Yours desperately,

Nateland 02:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiStalking (User:Rainbowangie, User:LibearyGay...)

Hi. I happened across some of LibearyGay's edits and I think Rainbowangie is just trying to revert some of their overzealous changes. I'm not really sure why Rainbowangie was blocked, but if you take a look at Libeary's edit history you will see they are going around adding speedy deletion templates all over the wiki for petty reasons on articles that if they were to be deleted should probably be taken to AfD. I'm not really familiar with wiki-stalking, but I think Rainbowangie's behavior is justified. Anyway, I'd appreciate another head being involved with the situation. Thanks. Paul^C/_T+ 11:06, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, I will have a look. Asterion^talk 11:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with what you were saying about the single purpose account thing. I thought it was odd that two new users would have such an intricate knowledge of templates and stuff. I do have a comment about the speedy delete template. "If this page does not meet the criteria for speedy deletion, or you intend to fix it, please remove this notice, but do not remove this notice from pages that you have created yourself. If you created this page and you disagree with this page’s proposed speedy deletion, please add:" Rainbowangie was cited for removing the speedy delete template, but as evidenced by their edit history, did not create the article. What is the procedure behind removing inappropriate speedy delete templates? Should that wording be changed that only administrators should remove the template? Just curious what you thought. Thanks for helping to get this straightened out. Paul^C/_T+ 11:47, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

That is a good question but I do not have the answer myself either. Personally if someone edit war over adding/removing tags, I would say it is disruption per se. However I agree that it needs further clarification indeed. Asterion^talk 11:56, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] OK

Will look for it. This was something I always watch in the news (yah now, I would feel strange if you wanted sources for Stalin being a Georgian ;). I'll try to find something viewable online. --PaxEquilibrium 20:50, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] thanks

A belated thank-you for the welcome message you left. Sześćsetsześćdziesiątsześć 23:54, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 70.232.140.196

Thanks. Not only is he NOT me, I've already reverted his bizarre little freakout essay. Thanks for being on the watch, I've already reported him to the admin who blocked his other IP. ThuranX 22:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

It appears you've already beat me to the revert, and we edit conflicted... but i didnt' get the EdCon notice... anyways, he's gone way over 3RR on the Heroes page, pretending to be an NBC lawyer. We definitely need admin intervention. Cna you step in, or should I go to AIV? thank you. ThuranX 22:22, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I called that. He's at it again. User:69.150.85.94. I've told User:Wknight94 as well. ThuranX 22:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)(and thanks for the Semi, that should help.)

That one has been blocked too (by User:Wknight94). Asterion^talk 22:43, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

User:68.91.212.118. Again. ThuranX 23:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Given the heavy vandalism from multiple sources, I had to protect the article too. Asterion^talk 23:36, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[3] see there, he's at it again, same 'ace ass shadow' and 'thugs' comments. definitely the same, despite the religio-philosophic rhethoric he's cut n pasting around. (also posted to Wknight94.) ThuranX 04:55, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Marzipan

One last thing. I hope it's not presumptuous, but I went and left a note for the IP editor who added the recipe. I think he or she is really trying to help, so I tried to steer her in the right direction. [4]. ThuranX 22:27, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

No prob. and it does look like a good recipe. Now that I know it's in the history, I might even try it out, LOL! ThuranX 22:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Maps

Hi there -- thanks; I've no further changes to make, but will keep your suggestion in mind. I might even take a crack at creating SVG maps that look like the PNGs now used widely. Quizimodo 22:57, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, good luck. Asterion^talk 23:11, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Racak incident

Thank you for the answer. Have you read my comments about the Racak incident? I would also like to know why we can not use the word massacre when all the sources use this word. Why can we use it here e.g Kragujevac massacre --Noah30 20:30, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I will be reverting the title of the Podujevo article to Podujevo massacre. Generally massacre is used for "individual events of deliberate and direct mass killing, especially of noncombatant civilians or other innocents without any reasonable means of defense". As Racak is still unclear, this is why this is called "incident". Regarding Podujevo, I can not find anyone disputing the civilian nature of the victims, therefore I think that it is better to keep the original title. Regards, Asterion^talk 20:51, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I have copyedited and wikified the Podujevo massacre article. Hope you are happy with the result. Please note that I think you made a mistake regarding Goran Stoparic, as he was not involved in the killings. He actually testified against the two Scorpions according to the CBC article. Regards, Asterion^talk 21:47, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I also edited Gornje Obrinje massacre. Please note that the text needs to read "allegedly commited by Serbian forces" as no court case has been brought. Asterion^talk 22:27, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I hope we have but behind us the misunderstandings. It was not my intention to offend you. --Noah30 08:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

None taken. Have a nice day. Asterion^talk 18:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] `Scilit` (talk · contribs · logs · block user · block log)

Maybe. But he was warned several times about it and just kept on going without discussion. Just seemed like a serial spammer type. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 08:59, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and rescinded the block and explained the general policy on the user's talk page. Sounds like he simply didn't know. If he can get consensus on adding that link to a heavily trafficked article like Bacteria, great. It's just not a good idea to add links en masse like that. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 09:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I usually would agree with my rationale too. :) But it looks like he really just didn't know. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 09:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. Me too! :) We get so used to the bad that I think we sometimes forget that some people are just...newbies. :) --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 09:10, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mig 11

Thanks for noticing. The user is somewhat disruptive. If there is to be any investigation, I'll come down on your side. Evlekis 09:22, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

So what are you waiting for, just do it! Just because I don’t share the POW of Asterion I am automatically a “disruptive user”. Very interesting!! No administrator or not even the creators of this encyclopaedia can change the reality in Kosova. What are you trying to create here in all Kosovarian articles it is almost mythological. I am not afraid of you guys. You think that with your threats, you can stop me of writing my answer on you? I don’t delete messages on my talk page, like Asterion does. That tells a lot about him...--just a happy girl :) 13:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Read User_talk:Asterion#Please_read_this_before_posting. If I leave a message on your talk page, I will answer there. In any case, it is clear you are here for the wrong reasons. Asterion^talk 13:09, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism of my pages

Hi. Thanks for semi protecting my user page but could I ask that you remove the protection on my talk page. I would prefer if vandals post comments about me on there as opposed to by vandalizing articles to which I am associated such as what is happening with Huddersfield and Electrical engineering. The vandal in question has returned once again using the IP 172.212.96.179. Thanks for your help. Adambro 14:40, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Your choice, of course. I unprotected it. Regards, Asterion^talk 14:43, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AOL proxy

hmm I am not too sure. AOL does use proxies but the one you tagged lookes like someone on a home IP which lasts until the next router reboot. AFAIK people bypass the proxy when they use a browser other than AOL's. Agathoclea 14:51, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I just realised after reading Wikipedia:AOL. It is no longer shared. Would your recommend a range block? Asterion^talk 14:53, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Not too sure. I am dealing with with one vandal at Fiona Phillips - one edit made me think it is the same, but the other edits were out of profile. Range block would effect a lot of people. What I do do though, is if the vandal returns block strait away as "previously warned on different IP of same range". But you only can do that if there is a very clear pattern. Agathoclea 15:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, I'm sure it is the same guy but would not like to kill a fly with a nuke either. I've semiprotected many of the articles s/he's been hitting. Cheers, Asterion^talk 15:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Valencia(band) deletion

I have problem with this deletion for a few reasons. For one the WP:CSD A7 states that "If the assertion is controversial or there has been a previous AfD, the article should be nominated for AfD instead." which is was not. Another problem is that they fit Wikipedia:Notability (music). [5][6][7] They also follow criteria 3 through multiple national tours of the US as well as multiple international festivals in Japan including the Fuji Rock Festival.[8][9] Acidskater 04:23 15 January, 2007 (UTC)

It was recreated content which has been speedy deleted previously(A7 was the reason provided at the time, merely quoting it). This is the reason why I speedied it again. Ideally it should have been taken to deletion review before recreation. As I notice that you are not the same person who originally created the article, I will restore it and file an AfD later on today. Regards, Asterion^talk 07:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A Barnstar for You

		The Original Barnstar
		For the excellence in neutrality and editing style; specifically, for the excellent work on If Americans Knew. Your very concise editing style is a great example to us all. .V. (talk) 07:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Semiprotection of article

I don't like you partially protecting Craig Charles' profile, though. It was being vandalised by two IPs (probably one person using two computers), and that was it. Certainly that wasn't enough to warrant protecting it.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.84.77.209 (talk • contribs).

Given that your IP is similar to the one that was being used to vandalise the article (from the same IP range belonging to an Australian service provider) and that you have just been blocked for further vandalism, I will therefore ignore your request in the meantime. Asterion^talk 18:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Congrats

...on the adminship.--Hadžija 19:30, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Just realised you might not have realised I'm Estavisti. I changed my username recently.--Hadžija 19:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

LOL! I did not know at first. It got me quite puzzled but then read further up the talk page. Asterion^talk 19:40, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Giulio Clovio

As to your message, I would like to warn you that you are abusing your admin account rights. All my reverts are already covered by very extensive discussion on the talk pages. The point is - I've removed pseudo-historical claims : a) Kingdom of Croatia did not exts after being conquered by Hungarians 1189 - ask about it a qualified historian of the medieval Europe b) Clovio's Croatian origins is forgery coming from today's Croatia. The message, as left on my talk page I could understand only as a grave ofense.--Giorgio Orsini 03:58, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Care to explain me in what way I am "abusing my powers"? Forgive me if my words were harsh. You have basically been reverting on a serial basis for the last two weeks. Edit wars are disruptive by nature. It does not matter whether you think you are right or not. Please take a moment to familiarise yourself with the dispute resolution procedure which I recommend you follow. Please take such disputes to requests for comment, requests for mediation, or requests for arbitration rather than continuing to edit war. Regards, Asterion^talk 07:35, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Catholic-link

A deletion discussion in which you voted, that of Template:Catholic-link, is up for deletion review, where the template may be deleted or retained depending upon the review discussion. You are welcome to comment and/or vote at Wikipedia:Deletion review#Template:Catholic-link. The key point of this discussion is whether the "default keep by no consensus" result was correct; discussion of the template itself is secondary (but may still be important). — coelacan talk — 04:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help:Translation

Thanks. And, what about the tidbit about "he drowned" not being reflexive in Spanish? Duja► 14:44, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

This is a mistake, I think. In Spanish, to drown is said ahogar(se): "Pedro se ahogó". It can be used in non-reflexive meaning as well: "Pedro ahogó a la gata". I think that it would be the same in Italian but Aldux should be able to confirm this. Asterion^talk 20:00, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh well, I guess I'll have to find some Spanish/Slavic bilingual to find a working example. Btw, I had no idea our language groups had so much similarity in this regard (French a bit less, AFAIK) before I started this research. Duja► 21:13, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

And, btw, are you from Sevilla or its vicinity? How often do you visit Spain? Duja► 14:44, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I'm from Seville. I usually go back four or five times a year, Christmas time, Seville April Fair and whenever I have some chance suring the summer. Regards, Asterion^talk 20:00, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I asked because I'm an occasional visitor, so if I happen to pay a visit, maybe I'd find someone to hang around. Last time I had to cross entire city all by myself (not that it wasn't a pleasure though :-) ). Duja► 21:13, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for your good work on If Americans Knew. Jayjg ^(talk) 17:11, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proabivouac

I noticed that you have made an endorsement of the RfC regarding Proabivouac, and thought that I would mention to you that some of the alleged "evidence" that has been presented there might not be exactly what it appears to be. I don't know if you have already made a close inspection of the diffs presented there, but I am concerned that several of them might be quite misleading, and I have mentioned some of my concerns here: User_talk:FayssalF#False_evidence -- Karl Meier 20:13, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] thank you

for fast response to block attacks on my user page. Paul 22:21, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barrington Hall

I'd like to ask you for a recommendation on how best to handle the situation at Barrington Hall. Consensus has been reached on the talk page, but two editors continue to keep adding unsourced information. Any suggestions? Thanks. --Milo H Minderbinder 22:38, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I promise to have a look tomorrow. I'm in the UK and it's kind of late now. Regards, --Asterion^talk 22:40, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. --Milo H Minderbinder 22:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Can you have a look at this (related to maps issue)

Hi, I am no administrator, and I am not sure what to think about this, but I was pretty shocked reading Mark Thomas remark here: User talk:Jortegag. As you seem reasonable enough, what do you think about this kind of ways of getting out from Wiki rules (which I think should be lived to the spirit not the letter). Arnoutf 10:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bosnian War

Could you take a look at Talk:War_in_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina#Mujahideen and perhaps comment. I've been having a rather fruitless discussion with a person who doesn't care for my sources, but refuses to present any alternate ones because He Knows Better and I'm "ignorant". Cheers // Hadžija 20:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Second Montenegrin Wikipedia proposal

I have started up a second proposal on the Montenegrin Wikipedia, I think it should be time to restart it. If you want to vote, the link is: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Montenegrin_2

Just wanted to let you know. Thanks again.

[edit] Request

Could you please delete my userpage and talkpage?--Hadžija 05:14, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Please delete it all, I'm leaving Wikipedia (again :)).--Hadžija 01:37, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

What's the problem man?--Hadžija 04:56, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, but could you lock them as well? I wouldn't want any User:Bosniak types editing it.--Hadžija 19:03, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My user name

Exactly HOW is my user name "AwfulTurkey" offensive? It is in no way a violation of any rule. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Awful Turkey (talk • contribs).

The name was never meant to be offensive to the country of Turkey. I have used it since I made an account here and not once has anyone been offended by it. I could understand if my username was something vulgar like F***Turkey how that would be offensive and NEED to be changed.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Awful Turkey (talk • contribs).

Answered on your talk page. --Asterion^talk 22:01, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:Bosniak again?

I'd appreciate a second opinion, as not completely familiar with his editing patterns. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Bosniak again? Thanks, Asterion^talk 18:58, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I responded on AN/I; I think there's sufficient evidence here to justify a checkuser. -- Jim Douglas ^(talk) _(contribs) 19:31, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] You helped choose Wall Street Crash of 1929 as this week's WP:ACID winner

Thank you for your support of the Article Improvement Drive.
This week Wall Street Crash of 1929 was selected to be improved to featured article status.
Hope you can help.

AzaBot 01:02, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations on being nothing but a stuck-up bully.

You're nothing but a stuck-up bully. You didn't follow up on the false AIV complaint against RunedChozo at all, you just wanted to smack someone around and you found an easy target, and now you're gloating about it. You should be de-adminned. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.178.235.28 (talk) 01:33, 26 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] ZakuSage still at it

See [10]; it's up to you, but I'd block him for a week too, if I were an admin today... Georgewilliamherbert 01:36, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

huh. Nevermind. I misread the timestamp; that was before Runed got blocked... My bad. Zaku seems to have been quiet recently. Georgewilliamherbert 01:43, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

As opposed to the other guy (see above). Asterion^talk 02:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

BZZT, wrong, egotistical bully admin gets it wrong, do not pass go, please get desysopped before you hurt wikipedia, thank you for playing, offer not valid in utah....—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.178.235.28 (talk • contribs) 02:45, January 26, 2007.

Asterion, you might CU that sock and Runed. There are some other people who are upset over this, too, it might not be him. Georgewilliamherbert 02:54, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm on it, just finding some diffs. As it reads now, "suspected sockpuppet of..." Asterion^talk 02:56, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I think the format/usage was wrong there; I usually see a new CU request on the main CU page, you edited the archived copy and removed the old CU results... I'm too tired to fix it right now, but if you have the time... Georgewilliamherbert 04:18, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Big surprise. Bully admin found someone new to attack. Bring it on, I'll be your pinata, why the hell not.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.178.235.28 (talk • contribs).

[edit] GiorgioOrsini

I left him a stern message on his talk page. Hopefully he will understand and stop with his nonsensical antics. I have also fully protected Giulio Clovio, the page he was edit warring on. Nishkid 64 23:39, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chulito

Please be aware that "chulito" has a different connotation in Mexican Spanish than it does in Spain. In Mexican Spanish it is a common term of endearment and people even call their children chulito/chulita. Kaldari 16:26, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. I will leave a note at WP:RFC/NAME--Asterion^talk 19:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:

Wow i really feel stupid lol, thanks for the notification :) Nareklm 20:17, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks goes for you to! :-) Nareklm 20:37, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help over at CAT:CSD

Hi, and congrats on your promotion! Per this discussion, I'm dropping a friendly note to some of the recently-promoted admins requesting help with speedy deletions. I am not an administrator, so if you don't feel comfortable diving into deletions - or if you need more info - please don't come to me, but I'm sure that Cyde Weys would be happy to guide you if you want to help. Any help is great, but I'm sure that Cyde and others would deeply appreciate it if you could put the page on your watchlist and do a bit of work there on a regular basis? Maybe weekly? Thanks in advance! Anchoress 18:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Random Smiley Award

For your contributions to Wikipedia and humanity in general, you are hereby granted the coveted Random Smiley Award
originated by Pedia-I
(Explanation and Disclaimer)

--TomasBat (Talk) 22:18, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] {{UsernameDiscussion}}

Hi, I was wondering- do you think this template should be made a bit more friendly? What do you think of:

Hello User:X, thank you for your contributions. Wikipedia has a policy on what usernames editors can use. Unfortunately, concerns have been raised that your username may be incompatible with that policy. You can contribute to the discussion about it here. Alternatively, if you agree that your username may be problematic and are willing to change it, it is possible for you to keep your present contributions under a new name. Simply request a new name here following the guidelines on that page. Thank you.

It seems worth pointing out how easily names can be changed and that no one is necessarily accusing them of bad faith... WJBscribe 03:19, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Along the same line of thought, I've created a followup, {{UsernameAllowed}}, to tell the user if the discussion was closed in his favor. Otherwise, the first notice would linger on, still saying the issue is in doubt, still pointing to a discussion that isn't there any more. Please consider this a "matching bookend": the two templates indicate the beginning and (favorable) end of the RFC/NAME. Thanks! Ben 05:59, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

And another new template, {{UsernameConcern}}, to begin discussion directly with the user before going to RFC/NAME, for those of us too harried and/or tired to type up a long and diplomatic note by hand. Ben 00:59, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Location Maps

On the WikiProject Countries talk page, you had either explictly declared a general interest in the project, or had participated at a discussion that appears related to Location Maps for European countries.
New maps had been created by David Liuzzo, and are available for the countries of the European continent, and for countries of the European Union exist in two versions. From November 16, 2006 till January 31, 2007, a poll had tried to find a consensus for usage of 'old' or of which and where 'new' version maps. At its closing, 25 people had spoken in favor of either of the two presented usages of new versions but neither version had reached a consensus (12 and 13), and 18 had preferred old maps.
As this outcome cannot justify reverting of new maps that had become used for some countries, seconds before February 5, 2007 a survey started that will be closed at February 20, 2007 23:59:59. It should establish whether the new style maps may be applied as soon as some might become available for countries outside the European continent (or such to depend on future discussions), and also which new version should be applied for which countries.
Please note that since January 1, 2007 all new maps became updated by David Liuzzo (including a world locator, enlarged cut-out for small countries) and as of February 4, 2007 the restricted licence that had jeopardized their availability on Wikimedia Commons, became more free. The subsections on the talk page that had shown David Liuzzo's original maps, now show his most recent design.
Please read the discussion (also in other sections α, β, γ, δ, ε, ζ, η, θ) and in particular the arguments offered by the forementioned poll, while realizing some comments to have been made prior to updating the maps, and all prior to modifying the licences, before carefully reading the presentation of the currently open survey. You are invited to only then finally make up your mind and vote for only one option.
There mustnot be 'oppose' votes; if none of the options would be appreciated, you could vote for the option you might with some effort find least difficult to live with - rather like elections only allowing to vote for one of several candidates. Obviously, you are most welcome to leave a brief argumentation with your vote. Kind regards. — SomeHuman 7 Feb 2007 20:01 (UTC)

[edit] Aludx and his lackey Giovanni Gove again

I am wondering what can someone do to stop vandalising and propaganist revisionism on Wikipedia? Currently there are a number of Italian users (User:Giovanni Giove and User:GiorgioOrsini), among them even a moderator (User:Aldux), who constantly revert and have reverted and prevented others to remove their falsifictions with the help of the mentioned moderator. Their target: medieval, baroque and renaissance Croatian writers, philosophers, scientists, etc. from Venetian Dalmatia have been stripped of their Croatian notes and identities in Wiki articles. These people lived in bilingual society where one had two and somtimes even three or more versions of their name: Croatian, Venetian (Italian) and Latin most commonly. You can find examples of such reverts all over the place: Benedetto Cotrugli, Francesco Patrizi, Stjepan Gradić, Joakim Stulli, Republic of Ragusa, Ivan Lučić, Giovanni Luppis, List of Croats, Andrea Meldolla, Ivan Duknović, Juraj Dalmatinac, etc. , etc....it's getting ridiculous and no one is doing anything about it. Are Italians allowed to do rewrite history to their wishes?! --89.172.230.220 18:03, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Just to inform ya, Asterion, this is User:Afrika paprika. --PaxEquilibrium 22:16, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Just a quick answer. I will try to look into this later on. First, I do not think Aldux is doing anything else but enforcing the community ban. Second, I have warned User:GiorgioOrsini in the past and will be keeping a close eye on him indeed. Third, I suggest you try to appeal your ban as it is wikipedia policy to revert any edits by banned users, independently of whether you think these are legit or not. Regards, --Asterion^talk 18:32, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Invitation to join WikiProject Graffiti

Hello, thank you for your recent contributions to an article relating to Graffiti or Graffiti culture. WikiProject Graffiti is a dedicated group of people working to better Wikipedia's coverage of topics relating to Graffiti. We would greatly value your joining our WikiProject, or adding some input at our talk page.

Regards, Dfrg.msc 07:15, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Catalan-speaking template

Hi Asterion, according to your comments: «This is a country main article. having an extra side infobox (i.e. Catalan world) is bad practice and clearly disruptive. Feel free to create a footnote template as {{Latin Europe}})» Simply for reference, before further discussion, would you have any reference about that from within Wikipedia? Toniher 13:01, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Just have a look at USA, Canada or Australia and you would realise there is no more than a single infobox, i.e. no such a thing as a generic English-speaking countries side-infobox. Regards, Asterion^talk 21:12, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Motion to revoke remedy of Kosovo arbcom (October 2006)

Asterion, on 21 October 2006 the Kosovo arbcom found that I had been given 96 hours probation for edit warring on the Srebrenica massacre article and based on this (presumably) gave me one years probation and revert parole. I have raised some questions regarding this remedy (see below), and Fred Bauder has now initiated a motion to revoke these remedies. Since you partly raised this issue with Dmcdevit following the original decision([11]) I thought I should notify you of the ongoing motion. I have also posted some comments regarding Dmcdevit's reply to the motion, here. The questions I raised regarding the decision of the Kosovo arbcom were:

why did the Kosovo arbcom consider my misconduct on the Srebrenica massacre article? Nowehere is the Srebrenica massacre article names as a 'related article'. Nowhere is the reasoning for linking the two articles given.
it seems a rather harsh remedy to give me one years probation and revert parole for a 'crime' which I had already served time for (so to say).
is it possible to appeal the Kosovo arbcom's decision?

Sincere regards Osli73 14:17, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I am not really sure what could be done. I think the best place to start would be WP:AN, where you could explain the situation in the same way you have done to me. I have actually mentioned this relatively recently when discussiong User:Bosniak's recent misconduct (i.e. that it should also be applied equally if the arbcom decision where to be interpreted broadly). Regards, --Asterion^talk 18:25, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I see you're a busy admin

Would you have time to join our humble Wikipedia:WikiProject Spain, especially since I'm trying to migrate the discussion about that new proposed Spain template (that you commented on) to the WikiProject talk pages! EspanaViva 08:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Um...

About this edit to RunedChozo's talk page...
You do realize that's entirely false, right? His talk page has been "protected" (ie. hushed). As such, he doesn't have the option of requesting an unblock via that method, does he? Bladestorm 21:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I was merely informing the user of the indefinite block as per WP:AN/I. I suggest you take up the talkpage protection with the admin who enforced it. Thanks, --Asterion^talk 22:09, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Couldn't you simply remove the line, "If you believe this block is unjustified you may contest this block by replying here on your talk page by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}}"? (I can't, because it's protected)

I'm not saying the page needs to be unprotected. I'm just saying that only accurate information should be added. Bladestorm 23:09, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Andalusian

Hi Asterion. I see you are both Andalusian and a civil wikipedian so I thought it was good to check this with you first: in the Spain main article, the Languages section has Andalusian dialect included. I feel like this doesn't belong in that context. So, don't get me wrong, not that I am denying that may be important for some but I think is overstating its importance to display it in the Spanish languages section. I'd go and remove it but, just in case you added it or just have a different opinion, I would like to hear it. Thanks! Mountolive 00:16, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I will remove it. Feel free to restore if you don't agree. Mountolive | Talk 16:21, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Apologies for the delay. I have been quite busy lately. I have no strong feelings about it but think it would be best if a note is left in the article talk page beforehand requesting comments from other editors. Thanks, --Asterion^talk 20:20, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem at all with the delay. While not denying the differences, I just thought that it didn't belong in the main article, not even in the relevant section which, in my opinion, should be more focused in "proper" languages (if you asked me whether "Asturian" or "Aragonese" are proper languages...I'd better keep my mouth shut). There has been some cleaning up effort in the article lately and I think is a good idea try to reduce content there and redirect it to more relevant articles. Besides, I am guessin that "andaluz" in Almería is quite different from "andaluz" in Seville and the same say between Cádiz and Jaén, in other words, this info is best explained in detail in the relevant article, instead of presenting a bulk info in the main article. Anyway, it seems we are fine with this. Thanks for the feedback Mountolive | Talk 21:28, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, this seems to be a common problem with Spain-related articles. People just try to fit everything in the main one instead of starting individual ones and adding a link back. Hopefully if the Spain Wikiproject takes off the situation will improve. Best wishes, --Asterion^talk 21:33, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nearly Headless Nick RfA > RfC

I've C&Ped the statements from the RfA to Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington (2nd RfC) on the basis that there seems to be agreement that the issue should be taken up in RfC. You may wish to ratify, modify, withdraw, etc your statement if you have made one, or add a statement if you have not. Balancer 23:52, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Hey Asterion, thank you very much for the "Firm but Fair Award". I really appreciated it. :) All the best, Sarah 15:41, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trabant photo

Hello,
I am interested in using your Trabant 1.1 photo for a German project I am working on. How should I cite your photo?
Thank you,
Busfault 03:18, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay. Feel free to use it. A mention of wikipedia would be fine. I may have some other Trabi pictures somewhere else. Cheers, --Asterion^talk 20:14, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Next step on the Srebrenica massacre article

Asterion, I'll move the "genocide deniers vs critics" entry on Wikipedia:NPOV to the Talk:Srebrenica massacre page as you suggested. However, I'd like your more general opinion on how to deal with the Srebrenica massacre article, especially since I know that you were involved in the Kosovo article where much of the same type of seemingly irreconcileable conflict paralyzed the article. I've tried by suggesting a fresh start but (so far) have not had a very prouductive response. What are the possible options for a next step? Answer either here or on my talk page. Regards Osli73 09:02, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Serious Vandal on Transnistria page

Hi there, for some reason I remember you as an admin, am i correct. If so take a look at Transnistria we have a crazed vandal there today. Buffadren 15:09, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Why you speak like that? maybe you're a vandal.--Criterium 15:41, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] IllyrianKosova case

Although a troll, I am most certain that he's not Hipi Zhdripi. Hipi (in the Albanian wikipedia known as Dan) retired from September-October 2006 from all wiki-activity.

You can do what you like, the account smells to me like a throwaway abusive trollish one, but if I were you, I'd put it on parole.

Cheers. --PaxEquilibrium 18:34, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid you're wrong in this instance. Hipi's definitely back. The language is the same and he is also editing from AOL dynamic IP addresses as before (i.e. 172.180.227.247. Regards, --Asterion^talk 00:58, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GreaterSerbianist link on wiki

Hi, Asterion.
You (or some of admins) should look on what's going on the page History of the Serbs.
On the "external links" section, there's a link to the page, that openly declares itself as part of "Highduke's Greater Serbia Homepage".
Even worse, that page is titled "The origin of the Serbs and all Serb-derived pseudo-ehtnic groups in the western & central Balkans (Montenegrins macedonians, bosniaks, stokavian ‘croats’ & albanized Serbs)".
Are we going to tolerate that? Kubura 20:59, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Same story with the article Serboi. Look the section "external links". All links are from the same, openly GreaterSerbianist, page. Kubura 21:06, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I could not visit the link as it was dead. In any case, I do not think a geocities website can be considered "reliable", hence I removed it. Regards, --Asterion^talk 20:11, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I'm here to inform you that the "famous" link works [12]. See the site title. Also, see the subpage of that site [13] and insulting contents in the page title ("pseudo-" etc.). Kubura 20:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] You helped choose Atmosphere as this week's WP:ACID winner

Thank you for your support of the Article Improvement Drive.
This week Atmosphere was selected to be improved to featured article status.
Hope you can help.

AzaBot 01:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trentino-South Tyrol and South Tyrol

Hi Asterion, could you lend some input to the polls we are conducting on Trentino-South Tyrol and South Tyrol? I remember you followed this debate for some time. Any opinion, and one hopefully that includes some reference(s), explanation, recommendations, etc. would be very appreciated. We made some progress on T-ST so far. Anyway, this is not to replace the mediation by Lar, but he just hasn't been able to get around to helping us find a global solution. So, we get kind of impatient maybe. :} take care, Taalo 01:28, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Concerning your Admin Coaching assignments

Your name is still listed at Wikipedia:Admin coaching/Volunteers. The department is heavily backlogged with admin coaching requests, and we need your help!

Note that the instructions may have changed since the last time you checked, and the department now follows a self-help process.

If you don't currently have a student, or if you believe you can handle another one, please select a student from the request list at Wikipedia:Admin coaching/Requests and contact them. See the instructions on Wikipedia:Admin coaching. Good luck.

If you are no longer available to coach, , please remove yourself from the volunteers list.

Thank you. The Transhumanist 03:20, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User talk:216.20.110.226

Hi Asterion,

Could you please review this user's talk page and see if any administrative action is required.

Thanks Blipadouzi 13:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] motion to close mediation

hello there,

there was a mediation offer quite a while ago concerning the issue of Trentino-South Tyrol. I am happy to announce that the issue has been discussed, voted upon and settled. However the mediation offer still needs to be officially closed. Please take a minute to visit the page Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-10-20 Trentino-South Tyrol and put your signature at the bottom if you agree with the decision, thank you. sincerely Gryffindor 20:25, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

A very important note. This mediation offer concerned the greater overall naming convention to use in this region, not just the name of the region itself. We came up with a very good compromise for the regional name itself. I for one am still looking forward for Lar to help us out. Taalo 21:33, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] President of Spain

Hey there. You left a message at my talk. Did you mean me or were you responding to Steve? Cheers Raystorm 22:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry mate, wrong talk page. I should have left it at Steve's. Cheers, --Asterion^talk 22:23, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

*Grin* I was indeed a bit confused when I read it. Thanks for the quick response. ;-) Cheers! Raystorm 22:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

If I get a chance, I will probably take this to WP:RM to sort things out once and for all. I would drop you a line given the case. Thanks, --Asterion^talk 22:32, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit warring

Thanks, SqueakBox 15:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Admin to the Rescue!

Asterion,

I'm sure you are very busy with Admin duties, but maybe you can spare a moment to help with a small issue.

Swdavis67 has now reverted TechCrunch#Criticism 14 times. Indeed, these 14 reverts are his only contribution to Wikipedia. The exacting wording of TechCrunch#Criticism was recently settled by this Mediation, and yet Swdavis67 continues to revert this section. He has been warned on his talk page and did not respond to the invitation to participate in the mediation.

This user's entire function on Wikipedia is to revert TechCrunch#Criticism. I respectfully appeal to your sysop powers to best deal with this issue as you see fit.

Your help is very much appreciated. All the best,

Jonathan Stokes 00:59, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Update: This user continues to revert TechCrunch#Criticism. I have notified Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism for help. Jonathan Stokes 05:18, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I am also following the issue. Though not involved in the initial issue I helped organize the medcabal case and am trying to see it through dispute resolution. Is there any way to lock the TechCrunch#Criticism section so it will not be further vandalized? Wikidemo 02:32, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] PSA

Hi Asterion. I was updating this table and have hit here [14] the PSA. I know what's that, it is the Partido Socialista Andaluz, which in the first Catalan elections to the Catalan Parliament won a handful of seats.

Now, the question I have for you is: do you know if this is a defunct party? I suspect yes, but I don't know.

I think this is not to be confused to the latter Partido Socialista de Andalucía by Pedro Pacheco (la justicia es una cachondeo ;) because the latter seems to be a Andalucía only and newer party, but I don't have a clue for the Partido Socialista Andaluz, which shares the acronym with...is it a refoundation?

The Partido Socialista Andaluz (the one which took a few seats in the Catalan election) does not have an article in the Spanish wikipedia either and the existing entry for the Pacheco party does not mention the former, so I am confused.

Anyway, you have a nice Easter and just let me know when possible, so that I can complete the updating of that table. Mountolive | Talk 05:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Mountolive, technically speaking, it is the Partido Andalucista (at the time, still including Pacheco in its ranks). The PSA was born in 1976 out of Alianza Socialista de Andalucía (ASA) and Reconstrucción Socialista de Andalucía (RSA). ASA was the main regionalist party and one of the most active members of the democratic opposition during the late Franco period. Shortly after, the first ever mitin since the Spanish Civil War was organised by ASA in February 1976 (it was also the first time the Andalusian flag was allowed to be waved in a public event. This article is quite comprehensive. The PSA cannot be understood without considering the situation of the Andalusian immigrants in Catalonia. You could even say that at the time, it was more successful over there than in Andalusia, where it ran in coalition with Tierno Galván's Partido Socialista Popular, got a single MP in 1977, who later defected to PSOE, leaving them without parliamentary representation (got to love politics! ;-)) Asterion^talk 11:58, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

"Había que vernos, dando voces en andaluz por los pueblos de cinturón de Barcelona a favor de Jordi Pujol"...yes, really, you've got to love them! :D

That's an interesting paper indeed (thank you)...and not only because you got to see Federico Jiménez Losantos as the responsible of the PSA-Aragon branch.... in Catalonia, which sounds kinda humourous these days, don't you think?

Still, mhh... there's something I don't get: you say that the PSA is the immediate predecessor of the PA but, I seem to understand from that paper that they were not in the same structure (I mean PSA in Andalucía and PSA in Catalonia, Aragón and elsewhere) but they were autonomous cells, in other words, there was not any General Secretary in Seville or anywhere in Andalucía that the PSA Catalan branch reported to, they just freely coordinated policies, is this correct?

I need this info to list the PSA in that Catalan politics table either as a local party or Spain-wide.

What seems confirmed from that paper is that the PSA is definitely defunct, right? I will list it as defunct party there, then.

Thank you for your help. Mountolive | Talk 06:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Organisation / Organization

Considering that the most important High IQ societies, Mensa, was created by an Australian and an Englishman, I find quite disruptive your "spelling" corrections. Please refer to Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#National_varieties_of_English.--Asterion^talk 15:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

This was addressed on the Mensa International talk page (where they use -ize) ... I was just following the precedent set last summer ... BTW, American and British English spelling differences says ...

Worldwide, -ize endings prevail in scientific writing and are commonly used by many international organizations.

... regardless, it's a tempest in a tea pot and not worth edit waring ... "Two peoples separated by a common language." —68.239.79.97 (talk • contribs) 16:55, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

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