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[edit] Arbitration on the use of the term "Soviet occupation"

First my apologies for having been less than active in the Baltics. ...5-6 hour commutes to the only job available at the time, rebuilding a dead PC of late, the slaying of some other Wikidragons, and some new more pleasant activities, including webmaster to the Latvian Song and Dance Festival in Indianapolis this July, have seriously eaten into my Wikitime.
     After combining mine and the other article on the Soviet occupation of Latvia, things were quiet for a while. After which there was some POV tagging (but no real vanadalism)--I spent a fair amount of time responding to each "it was not an occupation" statement on pretty much all the Baltic articles, including as the result of being solicited to respond to some of those. Then I got sidetracked on "what ever happened to" the OMON who killed freedom demonstrators in the Baltics (and found them in Transnistria)....
     Lack of time and energy kept me from getting embroiled early on as the whole Soviet occupation of Latvia began boiling to a head--to the point where arbitration has now been requested.
     Under the request for arbitration workshop, I have taken the opportunity to state my position as (still) the primary author and requested protection against POV tagging for the use of the term "Soviet occupation" as it relates to the Soviet presence, for its entire duration, in all three Baltic States. Please take the time to read, comment, and contribute: see arbitration request and workshop (template includes provision for comments by "others"). Whatever is decided will likely apply to the Wiki portrayal of the Soviet occupation of all three Baltic states.
     Finally, and most of all, I sincerely thank Constanz for having the fortitude to try and get this settled once and for all.  —  Pēters J. Vecrumba 17:07, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Vecrumba, I came here accidentally to announce a Janis Tilbergs article I wrote and I see this stuff above. Just to let you know, if your personal ethics somehow did not warn you, the WP:Canvassing is generally frown upon. --Irpen 07:53, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
The article you link to quotes an arbitrator, Irpen: "Briefly, I think a reasonable amount of communication about issues is fine." Since this issue is central to any article about the Baltics 1940-1991, i.e., the period of occupation, and affects many a relevant article -- Pēters' announcement seems to me to be... fine, and very necessary. --Pēteris Cedriņš 13:58, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

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  • Talk:Teutonic-Estonian War - The article's title seems to be original research; I have proposed alternatives on the talk page (including an expansion to Livonian Crusade). Olessi 15:40, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Occupation of Baltic Republics has an ongoing survey to move the article to "Occupation of Baltic States"; is in need of various inline references (I have tagged a few paragraphs, but not all) and copy-editing; allegations of non-NPOV title, similar to those on Talk:1940–1945_occupation_of_Latvia, have resurfaced, so some tagging "action" may be oncoming. Doc15071969 09:28, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Neo-Nazism in Estonia - as it is, it's more like propaganda leaflet. I suggest voting for deletion, and if someone wishes, re-start it as a whole. Currently nonsense. Constanz - Talk 10:18, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Estonian Independence Party - vandalist assaults, claiming the party is Neo-Nazi. Constanz - Talk 10:18, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Talk:Estonian Liberation War needs some attention, as the same Soviet guys have found 'anti-Soviet POV' again.Constanz - Talk 08:45, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Occupation of Latvia 1940-1945 A group of comrades suggest Baltic states were never occupied and thus, the word occupation should not be used. I've listed the dispute here, it might be of some help. Please see article discussion.--Constanz - Talk 14:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Latvian-Soviet War -- Ghirlandajo has renamed the article without discussion. I won't be participating at Wiki very much anymore -- I don't have time for this sort of idiocy. The article should be expanded, or the similar Estonian article should be renamed also, and then let us concede to renaming everything as Soviet apologists desire. This is pretty much the nadir of Wikiidiocy -- sorry, but the war was not merely or even mostly "Latvian-Soviet" but involved various parties, as described in the article. Latvia was at war with Germany also, for instance. Context. --Pēteris Cedriņš 14:24, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
    • It seems that the reason is that "we don't use Great Patriotic War for the Eastern front of WWII" ( Ghirlandajos' next edit summary after the move, no other particular reason to say that). That doesn't make sence and infact the new title is POV - Latvians generaly call this war "Battles of Freedom", not Liberation war. Soviet forces were mainly formed from Latvian rifflemen many of them left soviet army, because they were against soviet policy and rest of soviet forces were driven out of most parts of Latvia. Most of the fithing happened between Latvians and their alies vs Germans and anti-soviet Russians. Are we going to call every soviet fiasco a "soviet war" ? -- Xil/talk 03:26, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
      • This is Ghirla's attitude towards every edit by any non-(pro)-Russian on any such subject, basically, and I shall no longer wade through this shit, sorry -- at least not until I have lots of free time. It is very tiring to try to edit when there is a tidal wave of Soviet apologists ready to mow down everything that does not conform to Stalin's books -- redone, in a new guise, hip-hip-hooray, so cute and funky! May Irpen and Ghirla enjoy themselves, along with all other polittekhnologi. I won't be back too soon. Ardievu! --Pēteris Cedriņš04:38, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
        • Xil -- yes, Latvians most often call it brīvības cīņas, of course. I spent time comparing what English language texts call it, trying to distill a title and weighing the alternatives. You have to compare what that is literally, as a translator, to what similar conflicts are called. --Pēteris Cedriņš 05:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Ilva Liepiņa tagged as POV, makes impression that she's a porn star or something -- Xil/talk 02:37, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • The nationality of Vlado Perlemuter is not clear from the wiki article. Was he Pole, Jew or Frenchman? Orionus 13:35, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
  • January Uprising Lithuanian role in 1863 Uprising not reflected at all.
  • Kaunas University of Technology really needs some attention. Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 18:50, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
  • National Power Unity. I added a note on the threat of violence made yesterday; I am not sure if/how to list this article as a current event. --Pēteris Cedriņš 12:18, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Portal:Latvia After a long absence, I updated current news and picture; perhaps someone can suggest/update the featured article? —Pēters J. Vecrumba 06:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Another update done (news, picture, october dates in history), would appreciate someone tracking down a good feature article to replace the current one. —Pēters J. Vecrumba 15:21, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Memel. There is a dispute[1] what it means--Molobo 14:46, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Articles Districts of Latvia and Counties of Latvia should be merged and resulting article should be Districts of Latvia. If no one objects, I could do it in a few weeks. -Yyy 12:21, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
    • I think that is a very clear case. Go right ahead! Renata 14:53, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
      • Done. -Yyy 08:36, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Politics of Lithuania: the description of the administrative division in the article requires serious wikifying. Linas Lituanus 17:36, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Kohuke and Curd snack should be merged (but under which name ?) -- Xil/talk 23:05, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Merged under English name. Renata 02:32, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Baltic Way - maybe someone could find a free image? Renata 17:20, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Alūksne has been tagged for POV by Ghirlandajo -- see its talk page.
  • Is Flakans War a valid article? After reading it carefully, the article seems suspect; for one, the UN didn't exist during the proposed time frame of the event--Confuzion 02:13, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Not only did the UN not exist -- Estonia and Latvia didn't yet exist, either. --Pēteris Cedriņš 08:15, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Tagged Pērkonkrusts, an article on the extremist group(s), as factually inaccurate. See its talk page. --Pēteris Cedriņš 02:15, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Singing_Revolution Section on Estonia is written in heroic manner, while almoust nothing is said about Latvia and Lithuania -- Xil/talk 08:35, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
  • I have proposed merging Baigais gads into Occupation of Latvia; see Talk:Occupation of Latvia. Pēteris Cedriņš 01:34, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Merge completed into Occupation of Latvia 1940-1945, more work necessary to expand original "Occupation of Latvia" article which only dealt with the first Soviet occupation. —Pēters 04:23, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Mediaeval artist Bernt Notke needs some more information on his works in the Baltic states.Most info with google is in local language, are there pictures of the remains of his Danse macabre or altar?--Kresspahl 14:34, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Pilėnai could be expanded and language could be corrected DeirYassin 21:11, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Balts: This edit needs to be toned down and wikified. --Ghirla | talk 17:53, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Agreed; not only "toned down" but corrected; the Latvians article is also in need of major revision (and some serious deletions...). Pēteris Cedriņš 15:40, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Added factual accuracy tag to Bermontians -- see Talk:Bermontians. The article needs considerable expansion, besides requiring major changes. --Pēteris Cedriņš 16:02, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
  • The Latvian mythology article needs serious clean-up (as do many of the articles in the list there -- many require name changes/moving). Pēteris Cedriņš 15:43, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
    • What would you say if I merged all the stubs into one list, say List of deities in Latvian mythology and List of mythologic holidays in Latvia (or something). Almost exactly the same problem is with Lithuanian mythology. Renata 14:20, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
      • I would say -- great idea! --Pēteris Cedriņš 14:27, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
        • Ok then. Give me till Monday and I'll do it. Are titles ok? maybe it should be List of pagan holidays in Latvia? Renata 04:08, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
          • Seems like it would be a good start at a simple redo of Latvian mythology, sections being a historical overview, list of deities+description (not pointing to other articles) and list of holidays; I added a Talk:Latvian mythology page --Pēters 17:39, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
          • Deities are done. Comments welcome on the talk page. Renata 06:15, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
  • The "Demographics" section in the main Latvia article is tagged as neutrality disputed; no reason given. --Pēters 23:40, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
  • The "History" section in the main Latvia article is tagged as neutrality disputed; no reason given. --Pēteris Cedriņš 15:46, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
  • History of Latvia is tagged as neutrality disputed. --Pēteris Cedriņš 15:46, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
    • The above 3 were tagged by Efenstor all around (now) a week to week and a half ago. What is Wiki policy on removing tags which were added with no explanation? -- Pēters 06:32, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
      • I asked the user what's the problem. If no sensible answer is given in a couple of days - feel free to remove. Renata 14:15, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
        • I greatly expanded the "History" section at Latvia over the past couple of days, and plan to work on History of Latvia in the near future. I would appreciate criticism/editing of the section, and I think the "Demographics" section can now be untagged. Please see Talk:Latvia ("POV sections"). --Pēteris Cedriņš 22:26, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
          • I've left coment in that EU-POV disscusion, also I think one of the sections should be splited in two (see article's talk page) -- Xil/talk 19:25, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Territorial changes of the Baltic States is tagged as "factual accuracy disputed" and needs citations. --Pēteris Cedriņš 15:46, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Romuva - modern revival of paganism in Lithuania, tagged as needing review from a professional DeirYassin 13:12, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Jurgis Baltrušaitis - unreferenced. Renata 02:24, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
  • History of Russians in Latvia --Pēteris Cedriņš 23:43, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
    • I've un-POV'ed the first section, which I've completely rewritten, and moved the cleanup/POV (now section-wise) flags below. --Pēters 03:50, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Next section added covering through to end of 1917 Revolution. --Pēters 00:15, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Lithuanian underground government (about the government of Lithuania in 1941) DeirYassin 18:36, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
    • I doubt much about the title of the article. It sounds not very English. Linas Lituanus 13:44, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Requested articles

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  • I've created Template:KalvitisCabinet, most of which needs articles. Biruitorul 07:07, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Soviet Legacy in Russian Policy. I have been unable to find anything focusing on Russia's promulgation of the Soviet view on post-WWII Eastern Europe or its resurrection of Stalinist symbols. I would envision it as the place for an objective accounting of the Baltics' occupation/no-occupation "debate". The general theme would be Stalin is buried but (increasingly?) not dead. I did check Politics of Russia as a potential article where one could expand on this theme, but that's not really the appropriate venue. —Pēters J. Vecrumba 16:21, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Arūnas Matelis. Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 20:26, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Hinduism in Lithuania--D-Boy 06:55, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Constitution of Latvia and Constitution of Estonia! Renata 02:32, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Aspazija - user Gf1961 has requested translation from Lithuanian Wikipedia (lt:Aspazija) -- Xil/talk 23:05, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Translated. Please verify accuracy! Renata 03:32, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Article about events in january 1991 in Latvia, I mean Barikādes (Barricades) - name should be different i.e. different sorces name this event Barricades' Days (in Riga), Barricades of 1991 and so on. I couldn't find such article, but topic is important and extensive as most sorces start their timeline in november '90 [2] -- Xil/talk 01:28, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Articles on individual regional parks. The Lithuanian parks are listed at List of regional parks of Lithuania. --Lysytalk 12:28, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Resources

[edit] A New Impetus

Our own home page, LATVIANS.COM, starts off with the introduction: "Get to know Latvia and the Latvians through our personal pictures and travelogues and our reference materials. While the 'CIA World Factbook' article on Latvia ranks #1 on Google when searching on 'Latvia' and is rich with statistics, it's not the most insightful." Well, I hadn't checked in a few months and today found that the CIA Factbook has been dethroned. The King is dead, long live the King! Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania now rank as the #1 choices for their respective countries. If there were ever a time to insure quality, now is that time! If there were ever an opportunity to document that Russia's position that the Baltics were "not occupied" is untenable, now is that time! If there were ever a time to celebrate the uniqueness and ancient richness of the Baltic cultures—to show our love for our cultures and make a difference—now is that time! Thoughts? Comments? Suggestions? (...as if it were necessary to ask...) —Pēters J. Vecrumba 19:41, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Maybe it is (necessary to ask), Ghirla did mention it's been quiet here lately. (and moved to bottom) —Pēters J. Vecrumba 20:27, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for asking. A relentless campaign by various trolls and other creeps have evidently caused many contributors to find it difficult to focus on the necessary job to help build this encyclopedia from a Baltic perspective, where it is applicable. Thank you, Ghirlandajo and Pēters, for your help in putting many of these disruptive influences in their place, over and over again. And for not tiring or wavering in the face of it. Yes, thanks. Dr. Dan 03:01, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
You are welcome :) --Ghirla -трёп- 08:59, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
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