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Contents 1 Springcleaning 2 The poll is over, guys 3 New genres 4 Portmanteau category 5 Academic article 6 Upperstall not linkspam 7 Film kisses are no longer banned. 8 Well Done!

[edit] Springcleaning

No major changes. We've been patrolling for major vandalism, but small things slip past our guard. Possibly the only contentious edit will be my addition of material re the language of Bollywood films. I stressed that dialogues tend to be written so as to be comprehensible to the largest possible audience, and added a comment from Suketu Mehta re initial composition in English. I need to buy my own copy of that book, and get a page number for that cite. Zora 23:59, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Sigh. Bharatveer edited roughly (mangling the sentence) and removed all mention of Hindustani and Pakistan. I have rewritten, trying to split the difference. Zora 08:07, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

User Zora, Pls understand that bollywood films are banned in Pakistan (after 1965).-Bharatveer 08:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

The ban in Pakistan is totally irrelevant. People watch Bollywood films in Pakistan and all over the world in spite of local laws. You have no business removing factual references to Pakistan. Dieresis 06:29, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I restored the references to Hindustani and Pakistan. The Hindi movie industry served ALL of what is now North India and Pakistan before the Partition, it is still extremely popular in Pakistan, despite bans, it is to a great extent run by Punjabi refugees from the Partition, and the language used, per all the references I have, is directed at the same swathe of territory served before the Partition. That's to a great extent a commercial decision, to get the largest possible audience. I also strongly object to labeling Devanagari and Nastaliq scripts as Hindi and Urdu. The underlying language is the same, only the script is different. I gather that participants in a number of North Indian/Pakistani web fora are using Roman characters to write Hindustani, so that they can communicate unimpeded by script differences. This would be impossible if the underlying language weren't basically the same (skewing of formal vocabulary aside). I strongly object to the consensus of academic, scientific linguistics being jettisoned in favor of accentuating communal hatreds and political differences.

We had a sentence in there at one point saying that the whole language question was hotly contested and that readers should look at the Hindi, Urdu, and Hindustani articles to get an idea of the issues. I think that sentence was removed in one of the ethnic cleansing drives to which this article has been subjected, and I think it would help to restore it. We can't discuss the language question here, but we can point readers to the places where it is discussed. Zora 03:26, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

What is the logic in the sentence that dialogues are written for audience in Pakistan , when the no sale of bollywood movies can be distributed legally?-Bharatveer 05:47, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Bharatveer, I apologize for the revert. I didn't your the edit summary or your username. I just saw the difference. However, in this situation, I do support Zora's version. Please note that Urdu is not only spoken by 10.7 million persons in Pakistan, but by 48.1 million persons in India. Also, even though they may be banned in Pakistan, Bollywood movies are still viewed by those in the state (please see BBC:Bollywood movies). Consequently, the text you removed in the article should be kept. I hope this helps. Thanks, Anupam^Talk 06:21, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Leave out the popularity of urdu in this discussion .The issue in discussion is not about that .The issue is about a sentence which "claims" that dialogues in bollywood films are written for "AUDIENCE IN PAKISTAN". Now when No bollywood producer can sell his film in pakistan legally, then how can one write dialogue for "audience in pakistan.Are bollywood producers that naive??-Bharatveer 06:31, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Bharatveer, do you think that there is not one person in the entire world who have watched a Bollywood film, understand it comfortably (so they have a good understanding of Hindi/Urdu) but only know how to write this language in the Arabic script? If you do think this, then I think you're wrong and if you don't, then the Arabic script is for these people. Gizza^{Chat ©} 06:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The poll is over, guys

You can't revive a year and half old poll. Nor is the input from editors who don't work on film-related articles particularly helpful. Zora 09:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Woah, I didn't realise that. Well the poll may be dead but the problem is ongoing as seen here. Gizza^{Chat ©} 06:21, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New genres

This is a really good article. I saw interviews on Film 2006 tonight with Bollywood producers etc, making the point that over the next decade they will produce in more varied genres - presumably spy thrillers, horror and so on. Anyone know more about this? Thanks.--Shtove 00:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portmanteau category

Why did Centrx remove this? It is a valid category regrouping many articles. If you remove the one in this article, why not remove them on all the others? Sfacets 07:04, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

The reason is explained fairly clearly in the edit summary. "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a dictionary, so articles are categorized by their subject, not by the etymology or type of word that represents the subject." We do not have Category:Nouns or Category:French derivations, Wiktionary does. We do not have Category:Numerals, we have Category:Numbers. The Portmanteau category is the only category like this, and yes, it should be removed from all articles. Is there any reason why it should not? —Centrx→talk • 07:33, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Whatever the case, you should take it up on the Category talk page rather than here. Excluding a category from one article and not the rest seems dubious, and undermines the category maintenance. Besides that, nowhere in wiki policy is it written that a category cannot regroup grammatical terms. Sfacets 07:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I did bring it up there, and asked you to comment there. For related policy, see Wikipedia:Categorization and Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary. —Centrx→talk • 07:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Could you point out your reply there? I cannot see it. Sfacets 22:44, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

It's right there, and there is no reply, it's a new section that has received no reply. —Centrx→talk • 22:46, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Academic article

Someone added an academic article to See Also, where it didn't belong. I thought at first that this was self-promotion, but after checking out the conference at which it was presented, I discovered that BASAS was a reputable organization and that the paper had in fact won special mention on the association web page. So I set up a new selection for the paper. Links to other academic papers would be good. I found a paper on Roja, for the same year -- is that considered Tamil cinema only, or is it a Bollywood film also? Zora 07:34, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Upperstall not linkspam

This article is a magnet for linkspam, and various editors keep removing it. That is a nasty but necessary chore and I very much appreciate everyone who does it. However -- fairly often, editors also remove Upperstall. That is not a fansite, it's non-commercial, and it's good, academic-quality information. I think editors are removing it just because they haven't looked at it.

I'm open for argument on the subject -- if after looking at the site, other editors want to remove it and there's a consensus that we should, I'll bow to the consensus. Zora 01:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I have added a new link which i think it VERY INFORMATIVE and USEFUL, Bollywoodistan.com

What do you think? user:Unknown Master

Bollywoodistan is commercial. We don't do links to ecards, jobsites, etc. I removed the link.

If you're here to help out, there are lots of movies that don't have articles yet. Zora 08:39, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

C'mon www.bollywoodistan is a DIRECTORY which links to everything bollywood. It is very useful Zora!

Google links to everything Bollywood. We don't need commercial directories. We won't host your advertising. Zora 22:59, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I looked at Bollywoodistan.com and Google. Google doens't have half of the links that this website does. PLus google also displays ads in thier directory and there seems to be no porblem. You both gota a point! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.129.16.122 (talk) 22:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Film kisses are no longer banned.

This is the only reference in the entire article that refers to the Bollywood moral film codes. Please expand. SchmuckyTheCat 20:37, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Well Done!

This is a nice introductory article. It seems a little bit lightly sourced, but what would I know. I knew nothing about Bollywood except it was Indian film before reading this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Powerlad (talk • contribs) 04:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

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       jiyoongi main kaisey, is haal mein barson?
       Maut na aayi, teri yaad kyon aayi,
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       "जियूँगी मैं कैसे, इस हाल में बरसों?"
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       جیوں گی میں کیسے، اس حال میں برسوں؟
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       !ہاۓ، لمبی جدائی

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       How am I going to go on this way for years?
       Death doesn't come; why, instead, do these memories of you?
       Oh; this long separation!