Talk:Excel Saga
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[edit] Featured article!
Well done on the featured article folks! Has anyone thought of nominating it for the front page here? - Phorque 17:19, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks! It's something I hope to do. Right now, work is sucking up more time than it has lately.--Monocrat 02:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Going too far
"The episode itself, in addition to much more violence, blood, and gore, features graphic sexual situations involving nudity, lesbianism, soaplands, and a love hotel—and instances of all of these involve minors."
Do they all involve minors? It's been a while since I watched it, but I can only remember lesbianism between Excel and Hyatt (which actually had a bit of voyeurism by Menchi). I'd rather not have to download the episode to be certain when I'm sure plenty people here would be. Sorry to be so nitpicky.--Capibara 23:34, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
- The short answer is "yes." A long answer is "Yes, depending on what you view as lesbianism." In light of her earlier actions towards Excel and her statement about her and Misaki dying as lovers in ep 18, I count the brief moment where Ropponmatsu 2 tries to shower with Misaki.--Monocrat 00:40, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Hm, as far as "minors" go, I'm uncertain. Ropponmatsu 2 is less than a year old, yet she's an android, so as far as that goes, you can have Ropponmatsu (1) depicted in that instance, who looks like a mature women and is still less than a year old and be considered a minor(?); still the case goes that they're androids. I'm of mixed opinions. As for the pink-haired girl (who, for the life of my I can't remember her name), she's supposedly older than she appears due to the scene with her and Shioshi. Again, I'm of mixed opinions, but to say that the content involves minors may be a bit of an overstatement.--NWalterstorf 17:34, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
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- If I recall correctly, Cosette was simply "advanced" for her age. The text might overstate its case, but it's hard to strike the right balance. Edits welcome. :) --Monocrat 17:42, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
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- That's true, Cosette was advanced for her age. Then again, what was the line she said before... eposing herself to Shioshi? Wasn't it that she's not a just a little girl? Something like that... I need to look into it. I won't edit anything for right now until I get more information. By the way, did you make most of the article of Excel Saga? Great work.--NWalterstorf 17:54, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Excel Saga alternate manga
On the subject of the Excel Saga manga, this entire article does not mention the Hentai version of Excel Saga which was created by Koshi Rikdo and his crew. Just thought it was surprising that it was not mentioned. Then again, perhaps for the best.--NWalterstorf 22:50, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
- I think it's indirectly addressed in footnote four. Those would be the doujinishi he did, right? Please add a bit if not, preferably to the footnote, but I don't think it warrants too much discussion.--Monocrat 01:29, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Correct. It's part of the doujinshi he drew before he gained mainline popularity with what became the Excel Saga we've seen. I'm going to add a bit in the footnotes. The doujinshi was titled Excel Saga, and featured most all characters from the Excel Saga universe in... sexual situations. I won't go into detail about it for some of the younger viewers, and like you said, it doesn't warrant too much discussion. If you wish, you can feel free to look it over and edit any of the footnotes. I'll add it in a few minutes from my timestamp.--NWalterstorf 17:25, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Uncited, weasly South Park comparison
If someone desires to have the following material included in the article, please find a credible citation for it. As of now, it runs afoul of WP:WTA and WP:CITE. I have been very careful to have every claim and comparison in "Reception" (and there are plenty now) backed with a citation. As long as it uses the weasly language and lacks a citation, I will continue to remove this bit of text: "Some fans have also compared the show's bizarre, satirical and frequently over-the-top sense of humor to that of South Park."--Monocrat 05:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Il Palazzo
Yesterday i made a change to this page, i corrected the name of the character from Ilpalazzo to Il Palazzo, I thought that as i was correcting an error it was unnecessary to talk here before... now someone doesn't agree and think that the matter has to be discussed before: so I'm asking if someone thinks that the character is named Ilpalazzo, and doesn't agree to correct the name in the page...--Tin6789 14:28, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
- Tin, I understand your perspective on the transliteration, but I have to disagree. I'm aware of the original name of the hotel, and the way the name is "properly" romanized. VIZ, the English-language manga publisher even uses "Il Palazzo." But ADV uses "Ilpalazzo," so we can't simply defer to the holder of the English-language rights, as they disagrree. In these cases, anime and manga wikiproject seems to prefer that the most commonly used form be employed. The anime is far more widely known among anglophones (in the United States at least), and I personally prefer the ADV transliterations, so I've stuck with "Ilpalazzo" in the three main articles. The reason I haven't changed the article Il Palazzo is because I deferred to the previous editor who had used that transliteration. In fact I'm planning to convert all of the independent character articles to redirects to Characters of Excel Saga, so that won't be an issue.--Monocrat 16:11, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
- It's not a prospective on the translitteration.... Ilpalazzo means nothing, Il Palazzo means "The Palace", people at ADV probably didn't know italian, and didn't understand the meaning of the name before translitterating it... In Jap the words "Il" "Palazzo" are translitterated in ideograms, when we come back to the latin alphabet it's a nonsense changing it to Ilpalazzo... It reminds me a thing happened here in italy, someone called a shop "Top One" but wrote it "Topone" that in italian means "big rat"...--Tin6789 18:10, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
- About the name of the hotel i have made a screenshot fou you Hotel in Fukuoka--Tin6789 18:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
- I'm afraid that the link doesn't work. I get redirected to Altavista's main page. Anyway, ADV was aware of the hotel but chose to transliterate it differently. I'm unsure, but I think the ADV video-commentary also gives the Italian meaning. In any case, adoption of "Il Palazzo" would necessitate a complete switch to the transliteration and translations adopted by VIZ, which I think would harm the article and flout existing guidelines. Since we're dealing with a fictional work in another language, I don't think matters are as simple as right-and-wrong, especially since we're talking about a codename that still is very evocative of the hotel's name. Finally, "Ilpalazzo" is better known that "Il Palazzo," so I think we should defer to it. If you want to pursue the matter, I'd be happy to discuss this with the broader anime wikiproject.--Monocrat 19:45, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter... As you like it--Tin6789 20:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
