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Contents 1 Wikiquote 2 Which was released first?! 3 Weird screen shot 4 Secret Location 5 Recent info added 6 Vandalism 7 Sources 8 Laputa 9 Customization 10 Final Fantasy Staff List 11 Final Fantasy vs. Dungeons and Dragons 12 Recent shifts. 13 Final Fantasy I-II 14 exelent article 15 "Final Fantasy (video game)" versus "Final Fantasy I"

[edit] Wikiquote

The link is broken. (Feel free to remove this comment when it's fixed.) - JustAUser 84.182.93.154 19:56, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Which was released first?!

Was it the MSX2 version or NES, I remember reading on the Square Co. page that the MSX2 was first but on here it's saying the NES version was first, it makes more sense that the MSX2 version was first since Square had a history of making games for PC, not to mention that the NES version was more poupular so they assumed that one was first...--FlareNUKE 23:58, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

EDIT: Oh wait, sorry forget this...

Shall I throw up a screenshot from the American NES version? For English speaking readers, it's probably the first version they saw, and the first one on the North American continent anyway; it seems conspicuous in its absence. 132.162.213.109 16:25, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Weird screen shot

What's the deal with the weird screenshot of the light warriors fighting the Lich? Unless it's possible in the Japanese version for a pc to show its death graphic while still having HP, this seems like a doctored or bugged image. Also odd: the Knight has, at most, slightly more than 100 hp, since he isn't bending over. Since this is presumably a screen shot from the final dungeon of the game, it seems rather odd for the warrior to such a freakishly small amount of hp. Can anyone explain what's up with the image? If not, I'm just going to replace it.

Agreed, that shot shouldn't be possible, it must have been either doctored or played by someone using cheat devices. Replacement is recommended. LifeMega 21:15, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Also, we might want to address a previous comment and see about replacing it with an English screenshot. – Seancdaug 07:21, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Secret Location

There is a level-up location that is available extremely early in the game. This area is accessible once you can enter Pravokia. You can even access it before beating the pirates, although you might need their ship into Elfland in order to buy at least one Silver sword and one Lv 3-4 spell.

Should we include the following in the article?

Recommended equipment: Definitely the silver Sword for everyone that can wield it, one CABIN or TENT, FIR2, FAST, and CUR2 and the best armor you can afford. HARM2 is optional since it will not be 100% effective.

Once you have all this, head back to Pravokia. From there, on the world map, go a little south to find the path that goes inmediately east. After about 40secs walking, you will come accross a white mountain right in the middle of the land, with the option of going north and south-east i believe. Go north. All the way. After about 1-2 minutes of walking you will reach the very northernmost tip of the continent, it looks like a hand pointing north, displaying the "1" sign. The finger is two tiles wide. You will know you are in the right place because 2-4 tiles north you can see the southernmost part of the north continent.

Now, you will notice there is a 2 x 2 forest in the very tip of the continent (hand). Walk into it. Once you draw a fight, here is what you can expect:

1-3 ZOMBULLS (likely 2, about 30% of the time) 1-4 GIANTS (likely 3, about 45% of the time) 5-8 FROSTWOLF (likely 5, about 20% of the time) 1 TREX (1, about 5% of the time)

Depending on your level, you might want to only fight ZOMBULLS to begin with. They are by far the most profitable option, and the weakest, and you can harm them with your mages (They are weak against HARM and FIR2). The FROSTWOLF will inflict heavy damage to the party with their frost spell, so run inmediately. GIANTS & REX will be very tough, since at the start they can kill mages with one blow.

Once the fight is over, you will probably neef to head back to the INN in Pravokia. Use the tent/cabin you bought for a quick fix, and you only have 1-2 party members surviving, watch out for the ghouls on the way back that have paralyzing hits. While they don't do much damage, the fact that you are down in numbers and they come in packs, can make a suprised battle your last one; since they can paralyze your surviving group in one round. Dragonlord kfb 18:24, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but Wikipedia is not a strategy guide. Unless this had some other significance, I don't recommend including it in the article. ~ Hibana 22:39, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recent info added

I do not think any of the recently added information is particularly useful, especially in light of going toward a Featured Status. Most of the added information will have to get trimmed away as it is not well written, and there are no references or newly added information among it. Regular contributor thoughts? Judgesurreal777 02:29, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Agree; I dislike the new inclusions, as well. — Deckiller 02:30, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I think we should revert or remove it, I'm sorry to say, as I dont like removing peoples contributions, but it is not helpful. Judgesurreal777 02:34, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't mind reverting it. I tried to get some responses from the new edits on the WPFF page, but nobody even bothered to respond until now. — Deckiller 03:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

What I really want is a great article, not to pump up my ego, so do as you see fit. I disagree with your assessment; I think my version is a distinct improvement on the earlier version. For a seasoned RPG player it does not convey much more information, but for someone who has zero or limited experience with RPGs it does. If I were to try again I might not target it quite so low, though. I have one request, that you not revert but instead rewrite from scratch. My prose may not be brilliant, but neither was the old prose. If you rewrite chances are you'll do better.

One other thing: This article is poorly organized. It should probably be structured something like this:

• Development (which would be limited to the NES version; since we're the English language wikipedia, we should include the English localization)
• Story
• Gameplay
• Impact
• Ports and updated versions

As it is now the article jumps into the gameplay without first explaining why the game is interesting, and I think that's a mistake. 141.211.120.199 03:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Your attitude is admirable, you should get a user name and start contributing with use Final Fantasy fans :) Judgesurreal777 23:26, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

If you check the history, we recently had some vandalism from "69.114.140.217" I replaced his vandalism (Calling us all nerds) with the last good version of the site. I think we should get a final, verifyable version of the info, and get this topic locked.

Caikun 23:59, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what you mean, as an article like this will always need to be improved or updated occassionally. Having to revert one random instance of vandalism shouldn't really warrant page protection, as it's an ongoing, inevitable fight. ~ Hibana 00:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

Seems there are a whole lot of 'citation needed' tags here, and I'm wondering why. Wouldn't the games themselves (eg. the MSX2 version) be considered the source? DanPMK 00:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Laputa

Wasn't the Lefeinish civilization inspired to some degree by Laputa: Castle in the Sky? At least in the GBA Dawn of Souls remake, the similitudes are remarkable, right down to the robots, levistone, and such. Jaimeastorga2000 13:46, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Customization

"Each Light Warrior has eight inventory slots, with four to hold weapons and four to hold armor."

Really? Four weapons? What is that, swordchuks or something? Gene S. Poole 01:18, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Final Fantasy Staff List

There is no need to make a staff list without commentaries or additional context, right? In the Notable Staff Members List, I added the word "debut" on the names as well. Do you know if anything for this is good or bad for adding the staff list? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sjones23 (talk • contribs) 00:28, 6 January 2007 (UTC). As a matter of fact, listing the staff list is trivial and should not be needed for this page. The important staff members are listed in the infobox.Sjones23 16:34, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Final Fantasy vs. Dungeons and Dragons

D&D is mentioned in the customization section, but should there be a seperate section on the numerous similarities between FF and D&D? Such as the spell casting system, certain monsters that were taken directly from D&D (Mindflayer, Sahagin, Otyugh, etc.), the setup on how all actions are declared before resolving the turn of battle, the dilineation between what equipment can be equipped by what class, the very classes themselves, etc... --Daedalus 17:54, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recent shifts.

This article previously shifted between the NES and alternate versions a bit haphazardly. I tried to make it so that it uses the NES terms by default with alternate localizations in parens for consistency; should be clearer which one is which that way. While a decent argument can be made that another version should be picked as "canonical," considering that new versions keep coming out and tend to have their own articles, I think that the NES one is probably the safest bet. Besides, that's how most of the references were already.

Also, it's an old discussion, but it still applies: can we get a new screenshot that isn't weird for the Japanese version? SnowFire 02:35, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

There you go. Sorry for the three dead guys, I had to use a save from a Solo BM challenge quest. I also replaced the non-NES image in the Plot section. --Anomie 00:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I revised some of the Gameplay and Plot sections to use the NES names. I have confirmed all my changes against the actual NES game. Changes are:

• Thief does not go early during combat, it's actually completely random. If this is different in a remake, say so in a future edit.
• All armor is in one of the 4 types. Armor, robes/shirts, and bracelets are all "Armor", the ProCape is a shield, the Ribbon is a helmet, and the ProRing is a gauntlet. If this is different in a remake, say so in a future edit.
• "Warriors of Light" are always called "Light Warriors".
• "Lefeinish", not "Lufenians".
• The Sky Castle is always called the "Floating Castle".
• I could not find any timespan given for the darkening of the Earth and Fire Crystals, although the original wording sounded wrong (wind 400 years ago, water 200 years after, earth & fire 200 years after that, which leaves no time for prophesies and such). I changed it to correspond to what the 12 Sages say about it.
• "Mount Deurgar" is mentioned by two people: an elf in Elfland's castle calls it "the Cave of Dwarf", and Jim the Dwarf in Melmond calls it the "Dwarf Village".
• "Cavern of Earth" is "Earth Cave", according to various citizens of Melmond.
• "Citadel of Trials" is "Castle of Ordeal" according to the dragons.
• Somehow the legend of the Light Warriors lives on even after they change the past. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anomie (talk • contribs) 17:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Final Fantasy I-II

There appears to have been a compilation of two games on Famicom. I found a commercial: [1].

Yes, it is indicated in the first paragraph of the article. Kariteh 20:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] exelent article

why not? 213.100.71.136 10:32, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Final Fantasy (video game)" versus "Final Fantasy I"

Am I missing the discussion on this move? This is the last I can find on the issue, and the consensus there is "Final Fantasy (video game)". Anomie 17:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, there doesn't appear to have been any discussion of this before it happened. I've re-moved the page and changed all the new "Final Fantasy I" wikilinks back to "Final Fantasy (video game)". -TPIRFanSteve 03:25, 21 March 2007 (UTC)