Talk:Greater China

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How is this article any different from China, but a paraphrased summary of "History" section and introduction? --Menchi 18:23, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Some Chinese nationalists do think Greater China included singapore as well, and therefore I add "sometimes singapore is included in greater china because the ethnic chinese are clearly dominant".I don't know why someone delete the statement.

read before you post and use capitalization. thanks, Jiang 19:43, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

dear jiangster, please do not edit articles merely for justifying your changes on other articles. thanks. your pal,160.39.195.88 06:14, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Singapore part of Greater China?

I disagree with Singapore "usually" being part of Greater China. In fact, I've almost never seen this usage at all. Singapore is geographically part of Southeast Asia. Publications like Asia Times group Singapore as part of Southeast Asia and not Greater China, and a quick Google search shows only mention of the mainland, Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan. --Yuje 07:35, May 6, 2005 (UTC)

We can change it to sometimes then. But it is wrong to say never. And Macau is often NOT included--160.39.195.88 16:24, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Macau is usually not mentioned ore mentioned only in passing because of its relative unimportance, both economically and poltically. But it is definitely part of the region, as a Special Administrative Region of China. But newspapers like Asia Times include Macau in their Greater China section, and the Chinese Wikipedia [1] includes Macau as part of the definition but not Singapore. I agree that Greater China refers to a common cultural and economic market and region and doesn't carry the implications of nationalistic annexation the way Greater Germany does. Singapore geographically and economically falls outside the region. It's inclusion might be qualified culturally, but I've never seen such a usage.--Yuje 23:06, May 6, 2005 (UTC)

Well, looks like there's consensus on the political side. With regard to Macau, I'm not advocating it's elimination, but if it's not included because of its relative unimportant culture/economy, then it's not REALLY a part of Greater China when it's used in that way (although it is at other times). The word obvious has a meaning that's in flux. Especially in the dominant economic use, if you didn't include, say Tibet, or most of western China, you'd be using a correct definition of the word. If you mean a financial market, then you mean an even more restricted Taipei/HK/Shanghai/Beijing, and not even really all of China!--160.39.195.88 00:06, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

Can you verify what you are claiming? The links provided by these two google searches suggest otherwise: [2], [3]. --Jiang 22:59, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

[4] Singapore is sometimes included and this has everything to do with business and nothing to do with politics.

I wasn't even the one that added them to the article. Obviously, I'm not the only one that has encountered them. You're biased against my work.--160.39.195.88 00:02, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

If Singapore isn't part of the Greater China, then why should Taiwan be?--68.98.154.196 22:04, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No Political Implications

Economic and language similarity are the basis of calling these regions "Greater China" There is no political implication because if there were, they wouldn't use it. We are talking about things like electronics manufacturing, computer manufacturing, chip manufacturing, etc...16:24, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

"Greater China" is a relatively new word created recently by mainland Chinese(including those immigrating to Taiwan after 1949),and don't forget Singapore is also included in it. Without Singapore I don't think there is anything meaningful in it in reality except political motivation.

Ehm it doesn't really make sense that this refers to "financial markets and economies". For example, you can't say "Greater China is in decline" and expect it to be understood as the economy. I expect what that phrase is intended to mean is that it is usually used to describe the economy of that area, but that's not what it currently says. This should be clarified. --LakeHMM 05:47, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

I distpue that "Greater China" is coined by "mainland Chinese". Greater China serves to distinguish itself conceptually from "China". Most mainland Chinese people would believe that "China" = "Mainland China", except Singapore.

I find the use of "Greater China" offensive and non-NPOV since it suggests that China is not a unified whole, an issue which is under dispute. --Sumple (Talk) 06:27, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

I doubt such idea. As the term "Greater China" has introduced nothing of the ideal political statu of the regions covered by the "Greater China", rather it only shows these region shares some similar characteristics. Oscar24 6 January 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.86.192.16 (talk) 08:17, 6 January 2007 (UTC).

This is crazy. Singapore and Macau are obviously sometimes included as indicated by the preceding discussion, but this article is being changed to something political (administered by????). Come on, Greater China is a business term and it works because people that share a common language do a lot more business together. Why is this a political article?

[edit] mapo

what does the map have to do with the article? --洋金 02:54, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah it's really not appropriate. The article is describing "Greater China" primarily as a euphemism for PRC + Taiwan.

Then in the "Rare use of the term" section the article describes some territories not included on the map, but not Japan or Korea or Vietnam (included on map).

The map seems to be intended to show the "realm of Chinese cultural influence" -- but again leaves out essential areas in the Malay islands area, etc.

I think really three maps would be good: 1. showing PRC/HK/Macau + Taiwan + Singapore with a note indicting might be considered part for some purposes; 2. showing the extent of Chinese cultural influence in East Asia; 3. Showing the theoretical maximal historical territorial claim of the Chinese Empire -- say a "Chinese Empire Territorial Claims in 1800" or something like that.

The map is totally irrelevant. Migye 17:20, 26 January 2007 (UTC)