Talk:History of Nepal
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[edit] Request for external link addition
- I would like to make a formal request to add http://www.celtickane.com/projects/nepal.php to the external links section of this page. It is my own website, so I wouldn't like to add it myself, but I would prefer that someone else review the website, and make the decision to add it. I think the conspiracy of the massacre in Nepal in 2001 is an important part of Nepal's history, and should be added to the page in some way. --Sugarskane 03:48, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Any idea what happened in Nepal between the 8th and 18th centuries ? Jay 16:32, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)
- This is public domain, if you are anyone else is interested: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/nptoc.html. --Jiang 16:34, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)
[edit] history of nepal, many misconceptions.
the article about history of rulers of nepal is quite questionable and many of the unlikely events have been included without any credibility. i have noticed a trend in these articles where the author(s) seem to be praising and trying to link the lineage of some some clans in nepal with the ancient rulers of India. the statement that the royal family of nepal are decendents of rajput is quite unlikely. it is more probable that the royal family and the long associated courtiers have tried to do so by bending the history so as to show a false connection to ancient royal lineage. as far as any recorded history goes, Shahs were at first the kings of Lamjung, a small village in central nepal. (probably a more likely event would be the ancestors of present day shah rulers of nepal started as powerful village chieftains or tribe leaders who managed to acquire an army of some size). the author of this page has mentioned "The region was given its name after the Gurkhas had established their control of these areas. Gurkha, also spelt as Gorkha, are people from Nepal who take their name from the legendary eighth century Hindu warrior-saint Guru Gorakhnath. Gurkhas claim descent from the Hindu Rajputs and Brahmins of Northern India, who entered modern Nepal from the west." however, it is an established fact that the rulers of gorkha before ruling gorkha had ruled lamjung. why did not the rulers name their original place of rule as gorkha? instead if the authors' claim is to be believed it appears the gurkhas first settled the present day gorkha. even before the shah rule was established in gorkha the place was named as such and there were other minor leaders (kings??) who had control over the same territory. its a total misintepration of history that the history of kathmandu valley is considered history of nepal. there were some influential kings in western part of nepal (malla kingdom of west nepal, kings of palpa etc. just to name a few). kathmandu was instead a small city state and the history, hence, mentioned in this article deals with only the history of this city and should not be interprated as history of nepal. the article as well as some others associated with Rana regime and the rule is totally biased. the author mentions "Stability was restored after 1846 when the Rana family gained power, entrenched itself through hereditary prime ministers, and reduced the monarch to a figurehead". what i do not understand is how was the rana regime and the country at that period stable? there were numerous incidents of assasinations and politics of Nepal was highly vlunerable. there was no economic, social and political stability at all. i thought stability is a state where things go by rules and a system is well maintained. in the autocracy there was no rule and no system, always a bloody war among the rulers themselves for money and power was going on. well, if this article is talking about the stability of nepal (the mountains, rocks), it has been stable for some millenia now. the article, hence, has been highly influenced by the authors' personal background and has been biased. the fact that the author is descendent of Rana ruler has been influential in much of the work he has contributed. i m related to the ruling clans of nepal as well, however, i would not involve myself in supporting unestablished facts and twisting the history. having a desire to have a "grand lineage" is one thing and the truth is other. this wikipedia is supposed to share knowledge, lets keep it that way. lets keep the facts coming not as a means to toot our own horns but to reveal the truth. i, however, appreciate the authors work in gathering information for us all. so deep 01:32, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I agree that it's time to dig below the surface of the official Shah biography. In fact "Shah" is an honorific that the family was given or took upon itself along the way. Whatever the family name was before that is lost somewhere in the dustbin of history.
If the caste of the royal family is Thakuri, this caste is mostly found in far western Nepal. That is in the Karnali-Bheri region, amoung Khas peoples who have lived there for a thousand years or more. Perhaps the Thakuri caste has considerable intermarriage between Khas peoples, who were Aryan but not necessarily Hindu, and tribes speaking languages of the Tibeto-Burman family. If you mentally subtract the uniforms and paraphenalia from the royal family, they don't really look like pure Aryans; they look more like crossbreeds. They undoubtedly have been very careful about who they married for tens of generations. Nevertheless if you could accurately trace their genealogy back 40 generatons or more, that might be quite interesting!
Eventually many Khas people migrated across the highlands south of the Dhaulagiris where Kham peoples lived into the Gandaki basin. One migration route was through Dhorpatan and over Jaljala pass, which is the Karnali-Bheri/Gandaki watershed. Probably another eastward migration route was to the south along the Mahabharat Range: Sallyan, Pyuthan, Palpa. The Gandaki basin has numerous low elevation areas where rice grows well, whereas the Kham highlands between the two major river basins were unsuited for growing rice and have remained a backwards, un-Hinduized area where Nepali is almost a foreign language. In fact this was the birthplace of the current Maobadi rebellion.
So the Thakuri ancestors of the Shahs may have migrated eastward into the Gandaki basin and established themselves in petty principalities. Even if they did intermarry with a Rajput or two, their obscure history in the Pahad ("middle hills") seems a lot more relevant. There may well be a great deal of fiction in the official biography. Perhaps the Rajput connection is no less fanciful than the claim that the King is an avatar of Vishnu!
[edit] Dumpings from Nepal
The text below is being dumped by me to be added in this article as is deemed fit by the editors here. The rationale behind it is that its too detailed and lengthly to be included in the FA (Nepal).
Political instability
1994 - Koirala's government defeated in no-confidence motion. New elections lead to formation of Communist government.
1995 - Communist government dissolved. Radical leftist group, the Nepal Communist Party (Maoist) begins insurrection in rural areas aimed at abolishing monarch and establishing people's republic.
In 1996, the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist) started a bid to replace the parliamentary system with a socialist republic. This led to the Nepal Civil War with more than 13,000 deaths.
1997 - Continuing political instability as Prime Minister Sher Bahadur Deuba is defeated and replaced by Lokendra Bahadur Chand. Chand is then forced to resign because of party splits and is replaced by Surya Bahadur Thapa.
1998 - Thapa stands down because of party splits. GP Koirala returns as prime minister heading a coalition government.
1999 - Fresh elections give majority to Nepali Congress Party. Krishna Prasad Bhattarai becomes prime minister.
2000 - Prime Minister Bhattarai steps down after revolt in Nepali Congress Party. GP Koirala returns as prime minister, heading the ninth government in 10 years.
2001 April - General strike called by Maoist rebels brings life in much of the country to a virtual standstill; police arrest anti-government demonstrators, including some opposition leaders, in Kathmandu.
- -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 19:15, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
It says that Nepal was influenced by the Chalukya dynasty of southern India. How is this possible?
[edit] Buddhism Section
I propose that it should be mentioned that Siddhartha's mother, Mahamaya, gave birth to the baby Siddhartha in the Lumbini Gardens, and that that area still exists with the same name. I feel the points of the article dealing with Buddhism could be slightly expanded. Thoughts? --Bentonia School 15:35, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
