Talk:Hussein of Jordan
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Information should be added about
- Husseins secret contacts with Israel
- problems struggeling with the Palistinian problem, and his struggle to keep the power.
- The first Iraq war and Husseins point of view
- Peace with Israel
- His speech at the burying of Rabin
Pascal 22:27, 3 Aug 2003 (UTC) Queen dina was princess dina's mother. Queen Dina was a bedoine and born in Jordan This was a prearranged marriage when dina and hussein was married in 1945 hussein was 12 and Dina was 16.
This article is unencyclopædic in tone and biased. I am a fan of the late King but an encyclopædia can't simply carry an article that in tone reads like a press release from the King's press office. FearÉIREANN 22:15, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I think the eulogy from Prince Charles is too long and should be removed entirely Edward 20:03, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)
This article seems rather unbalanced. I'm a fan of King Hussein's, but I agree with FearÉIREANN's assessment -- from this article it looks like not much happened, no mention of the Six Day War, nothing about the Palestinian refugees in the country in the 1950s and 60s, or Black September??? -- Arwel 02:08, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
That is exactly my opinion. I am a BIG fan of King Hussein, but also of Wikipedia. This is a PR-piece, not a serious article. The content is totally unbalanced. I am going to put on a POV warning. Gidonb 09:36, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Who is in picture?
Is that Queen Nur in the picture? (An answer in the text would be better than an answer here in talk, of course.) Jogback 19:09, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
And when was the picture taken? Jinian 13:15, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I agree this page is ridiculous, I am jordanian and i find it laughable "King Hussein's commitment to democracy, civil liberties and human rights has helped pave the way in making Jordan a model state for the region" ... LMAO ... oh is that why he disolved Parliament for what 10 years? And i would say a link to Black September, or maybe jsut how he felt about it. And about the 67 war ... it should be noted that he was the only arab leader at the front. Also it should be included his relationship with neighbouring arab countries like syria and egypt in the 60s. The rather unlikeable aspect he recieved. I dont know ... its a good start i suppose but lots need to be added.
The King was at the time of his death the longest serving leader in international politics. -- I've just changed this to ...one of the longest serving leaders..., it depends on what exactly you define as a leader, of course, but Rama IX of Thailand has been in charge since 1946, and Queen Elizabeth beat his accession to the throne by a few months... -- Arwel 13:10, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Well, Mr. Jordanian, thankfully, Wikipedia is not about your opinion of King Hussien. He did have a commitment for democracy and civil libretits, and the fact that you can post this here is sufficent proof. In China they even restrict Internet access. I am willing to dedicate enough time to this topic to improve it and cover all aspects of King Hussien. And yes, that person in the picture is Queen Noor.
[edit] saved from a bullet by a medal
he is said to have been saved from a bullet by a medal his grandfather had recently awarded him and insisted he wear.
this is rediculaus , and a "Fairy Tale"! , i really dought this is written any where else than an "official jordainian i love you hussain, ur probably a god" site!
It was written by him in his book "My Life as a King" . If you haven't noticed, the sentence is written in a claim form, rather than a in a form of a fact. We might never know, but its not redicolus.
-Mohammed Abbadi
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- The story is true, it has been written in many books, such as the one Mohammed Abbadi has pointed out (My Life as a King) and another book written about king hussein (but not by him), titled "King Hussein".Eshcorp 12:22, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Small Change
Queen Dina was not the mother of Princess Dina as stated above. Queen Dina and Princess Dina are actually the same person. Queen/Princess Dina is the mother of only one child, Her Royal Highness Princess Alia bint Hussein.
She was born Sharifa Dina bint 'Abdu'l-Hamid in Ciaro, Egypt in 1928. She was styled Her Majesty Queen Dina al-Hussein on April 19, 1955 after her marriage to King Hussein. She became Her Royal Highness Princess Dina bint Abdu'l-Hamid on June 24, 1957 after she was divorced by King Hussein.
She was born in Ciaro, Egypt not Jordan nor was she a bedouin. She was a Sharifa of the Hashemite family (Mecca line). She and Hussein did have a misreable arranged marriage.
I changed one line
He ascended after the 1951 assassination of his father in Jerusalem.
to
He ascended after the 1952 resignation of his father.
Because it was his grandfather who was assasinated in Jerusalem, and his father Talal who became king then. I did this small change, and I look forward to adding alot of other more usefull additions.
[edit] Susan Cabot
I added a small part in personal life about his well publicised relationship with the 50s actress, and the rumours circulating after her death.
Why is there all this white space? I have been to several articles dealing with Arab states and the Six Day War and they all have this. Is someone deleting information?
In response to what Mr. Al-Abbadi has suggested, we find many fairy tales attached to the biography of this King. In his books, as well as his widow's books, Queen Nour's "Leap of Faith", we find many sensationalized stories that seem all together hard to believe. Let's not forget that most information obtained on King Hussein came from official Jordanian media sources, i.e. propaganda machines, leaving us with all good stories on him.
Politically speaking, the main issue that King Hussein could be blamed for is the fact that 88% of Jordanian come from Palestinian heritage, nevertheless, they don’t seem to be getting any of their legitimate rights in Jordan, that includes only 2% of them at the Parliament, only 15% of them at State Universities, and Zero % receiving government scholarships for higher education, despite the fact that they pay all the taxes and provide more to the country. King Hussein's policy which was based on isolating the Jordanians of Palestinian heritage has resulted in all 5.1 million of them considering returning to historical Palestine, which is their original homeland, and which happens to be Israel today, making their return impossible, and at the same time inflaming their desire for a change over their miserable conditions in Jordan where all government resources are hijacked by the Bedouins. The issue of the "Right of Return" for the Palestinian of Jordan was the main reason the Peace talks collapsed in 1999/2000' this could has all been avoided only if King Hussein was more realistic and had given Jordanians of Palestinians heritage the feeling that they are at home. Eventually, King Abdullah II seems to realize the how complicated and dangerous his Father's policy has been, and therefore he is changing slowly but surely.
What are talking about, only 55% of Jordanians have Palestinian backround, 88%(I really don't believe that statistic)is way higher than any estimate I have ever seen. In government you say Palestinians make up 2%(I really don't believe that statistic)of parlament, but Jordan has two houses the Senate which members are chosen by the King and the House of Reps which is elected by the people, so it makes a difference how many are Palestinians are in what since the House of Reps is for representation. Besides Palestinians may have an common identity, but ultimatly they are arabs just like the rest of Jordan and have different, religions, opinions, and status, so their is no need to make sure that a certain amount of them are represented in parlament like for example Christan or Circassians. Representation in parlament also depends on how many of them run for office or vote, which the government can't stop them from doing. On all of the other statistics you provide they're simply based on preformance by Palestinians in general, I really don't think that the Jordanian scolarship people are wasting their time tring find out which applacants are Palestinian or not, come on give me a break. Their is no proof that Palestinians are being isolated or that resources are controled by Bedouins. You say that mistreatment of Palestinians by Jordan is a cause of them wanting to go home, that rediculous, they want to go home because they were wrongly kick out not because of mistreatment by Jordan. Wanting to go home might be reality for refugees who were kick out of the West Bank in 1967 and migrated to Jordan, but for the majority it is a dream, so that 1999/2000 talks rightfully collapsed if the Israelis are not willing to let refugees come back then they are doging a bigg issue and won't have peace. Also it is not King Hussein's fault many Jordanians are Palestinian, as if thats that a bad thing, its Israels fault. Lastly On Queen Noors book, which I've read, there are no stories in it that are hard to believe or sensational it's true that it was faverable to King Hussein, her husband, it was mostly accurate. Overall I think that it is good thing to look back and critcize the King, even though I like him very much, I think your critcizism is not well thought out and probably based on some bias, most has nothing to do with article at all.
ANSWER TO MR ABBADI with all due respect, the actual number of Jordanians of Palestinian heritage according to the Jordanian Government itself is 60%, that is NOT including 1.78 million who hold a refugees status by the UNRWA, which means if you add those to the sum of 5.9 million Jordanians, the actually percentage of Jordanians of Palestinian heritage is more than 88%, and even the 88% is not inclusive of 300,000 Palestinian non-citizens living in Jordan. A proof, the population of all of southern Jordan, which is mostly Jordanian natives, is less than 200,009, Amman and Zarqa, dominated by Palestinian population, make up most of the country. The Jordanian Government has been trying for decades to conceal the fact that most Jordanians come from a Palestinian heritage. Now since we are speaking about King Hussein, I agree, his most fatal mistake is isolating and exclusion of Jordanians of Palestinian heritage, example the current government has less than 10% of the ministers of Palestinian heritage, and so was the case all through the history of Jordan, while a Southern city, Kerak has so far provided half of all Jordanian ministers, despite the fact that Karak's population is less than 50,000, and also Kerak has 14 deputies, seats, in the house, while Amman, a city of 3.8 million has only 30, of course most Ammanites are Palestinians! That is not democracy, and you do not have to believe me, check the reports of Human Rights Watch, and Amnesty International, I have lived in Jordan and I know all it takes for anyone to be tortured with no charges at a police station is having his last name indicating that he is a Jordanian of Palestinian heritage, and automatically he most likely will be tortured or even imprisoned. Scholarships is a very interesting issue, foreign Governments grant those to Jordan in order to help it with its burden of Palestinian refugees, amazingly enough the scholarships go only to be Bedouins and native Jordanians, Mr Abbadi, unless you live in Mars, you will know that NO PALESTINIANS REGARDLESS OF HOW QUALIFIED HE OR SHE IS, could get any scholarship in Jordan! that is no secret, what we have now in Jordan is a very sad oppressed Palestinian majority with a very fertile ground for terrorism and true desire to rid of Israel by the people in hope they could go home and escape the oppression of their government, which by the way has changed since His Majesty King Abdullah II has come to the office. Former CIA Chief Director for the Middle East, Jordanian-American Adnan Abu Odeh, spoke on Al-Jazeera extensively of the exclusion of Palestinians in Jordan and how they are treated in fear and questioning by all Government institution, which of course creates fertile ground for unrest, terrorism, and threatens Israel's security which USA is concerned with. Mr. Abbadi, you and your people have enjoyed a free ride on our backs for too long, free education, free scholarships, free housing, free health care, employment, and so on all of our tax money, this will change sooner or later, live with it.
[edit] The assumption that it follows from the fact that King Abdullah is the current king of Jordan, hence Antoinette Avril Gardiner ('Toni Gardiner')/Princess Muna al-Hussein must have converted to Islam is logically specious
There is no lack of intrigue in the court of the Kings of Jordan, and it is possible that some rules were bent to grant King Hussein his dying wishes. The following is the paragraph in question from the main page.
"However, the Jordanian Constitution at Chapter VI Part I Article 28e specifically requires that every person with rights of succession to the Jordainan throne be born of a legitimate wife who is Muslim. The fact that the current King (Abdullah II) is the son of Princess Muna al-Hussein proves that Princess Muna did, indeed, convert to Islam. If Muna had not converted to Islam Abdullah II, Prince Faisal and their issue would not have the hereditary rights that they enjoy."
[edit] Six-Day War
I'm sure this article could have more about the Six-Day War than "In the Six-day war, the king held onto his throne". -Ashley Pomeroy 16:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
