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Stewart 22:20, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure I've read somewhere that the Stevenston Moorpark, Saltcoats North and Montgomerie Pier stations although closed in the 1930's reopened some years later for connecting to ferries to Ireland and the Isle of Man. Anyone else got any info? Douglasnicol 18:46, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I remember reading the same thing once, though can't remember where it was though. Montgomerie Pier station did survive the closures in the 1930s and still had passenger services right up till 1967/8 according to R.V.J. Butt directory (I'll edit the page to make this clearer as I think I only mentioned freight services), but there's nothing mentioned about the Moorpark and North stations reopening after the 30s. RAILSCOT's chronology doesn't say anything about it either. I did read it somewhere though, but it could have been somewhere/someone that was misinformed or mistook the line reopening in 1947 (after it apparently closed for 6 months while the line was linked to the GSWR line) as all the stations reopening? By the way thanks for fixing my spelling of Montgomerie, always doing that. :D Dreamer84 19:06, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I've added a book to the reference section which covers the railways in the Ayrshire and Renfrewshire areas that were closed, the stations that were closed and the closure dates of the stations and lines. If you're interested in that sort of thing its a decent enough little book to pick up, also including rarer pictures of Kilwinning (Caledonian) and Bogside Moor Halt. It should also be noted that there was a Bogside station on the G&SWR line, the buildings of which remain today as part of a golf club. Douglasnicol 20:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that will check it out. Yeah I'm familar with the other Bogside station, and I've been wondering how to incorporate that station into Wikipedia (and other closed stations on the G&SWR line such as Gailes and Monkton). Setting up pages for them is simple enough, but where should they be linked? They could go on the Ayrshire Coast Line page but they might seem out of place given the stations on there right now are all open. Setting up an additional page with an infobar list of all the stations that ever existed on the line seems a bit pointless as it'll be repeating information. Anyone got any suggestions? Dreamer84 20:52, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

According to the Ayrshire and Renfrewshire's lost railways book, it says that Ardrossan North, Saltcoats North and Stevenston Moorpark reopened for a service called 'Evening Breathers', a boat train service a year after they closed. They must have closed again, but information on that is hard to come by. Another decent book is Ayrshires Last Days of Steam. Douglasnicol 18:31, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Ref - Comment from Dreamer84. Have a look at the Glasgow Central Railway article. This overlaps the Argyle Line stations, however the stations in a question are a different subset. This also works for the Lanarkshire and Ayrshire as it fits in with the Cathcart Circle Lines. When it starts to become a problem is the West Highland Line - i.e. Shannon, Craigendoran (WHL platforms), Rhu, etc. Then how do you consider the line from Kilmarnock to Barassie - still open but no open stations. And then there is the Caledonian section of the West Coast Main Line!........... Stewart 19:29, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Station Entries

I'm trying to get some entries on railway stations done. The brief info that is present in some of the entries you get about the Scottish Railways is sadly lacking. Sometimes a bit of history is useful. I've done an entry on Ardrossan Town railway station. How does that do as an idea? Douglasnicol 17:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Looks fine to me, I'm trying to get as much material as possible from a large bound book I have access to that's full of period articles from the time of the L&AR opening (that's where the timetable). A lot of stations have very little information available anywhere though, Auchenmade for example. Copyright-free photographs of the closed stations in use are very hard to come by, but I have a few more pictures of the various stations as they are today that I can post (like the ones in the Giffen and Ardrossan North articles if it would help. Dreamer84 13:45, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Line entries

How do you create those boxes that show the preceding and previous stations? Also, how to you create one that has a junction line? Douglasnicol 12:14, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Someone else might be able to explain the code, but the quickest way I've found to do it is to just copy and paste the table from another article and just alter the links/text. Between the boxes on the L&AR and the Ayrshire Coast route, you should be able to find the format you're looking for. :) Dreamer84 13:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

All I did - Callander & Oban; Lanarkshire and Dumbartonshire; Glasgow Central; etc - was to paste and copy for a template I found for a North Wales line. The two relevant templates I have used are:

Template:Disused Rail Start

Template:Disused Rail Insert

Now these do not tell the whole story. Go to and look at the Rail Line templates (including the code behind them) - two to one, two to two, etc. Then start experimenting in your sandbox.

Hope this helps. -- Stewart 18:32, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Station Box Decision

Thought I'd consult on this. The info box on the main page features the list of stations as they were before the London, Midland and Scottish Railway took over the L&AR. However, the Lanarkshire and Ayrshire railbox things on each station page include stations that were built by the LM&S after takeover, e.g. Whitecraigs says Williamwood was the next station on the L&A although Williamwood wasn't built at that time. In my opinion the next link on the Whitecraigs page should be to Muirend, and so on, matching the list on this article. Thoughts? Dreamer84 15:28, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree with this - especially as I did something similar with Argyle Street on the Glasgow Central Railway - i.e. it did not exist == Stewart 21:22, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Another thought - does this also apply to Kings Park and Croftfoot? == Stewart 21:24, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah King's Park was opened 1928 and Croftfoot 1931. I'll alter the boxes to reflect what was operational before the LMS took over. Dreamer84 18:35, 13 November 2006 (UTC)