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Contents 1 Maggie Q and David Lim? 2 Superstar 3 Copyright 4 too many cats 5 French ancestry 6 ethnicity in header 7 Nationality 8 Semi-protection

[edit] Maggie Q and David Lim?

The last sentence: maggie q is currently dating david lim. There is no punctuation... and is it actually true? Or did someone just put that down absurdly? I believe that there is editing needed for this article. But can someone please clarify? Everything looks fine except for that bizarre sentence.

[edit] Superstar

I wouldn't consider Maggie Q a superstar. I wouldn't consider Daniel Henney a superstar. Maggie hasn't even had a leading role in a Chinese movie.

--Naked Weapon is something I would consider a leading role. She was a supermodel known in China and Japan, so even if she wasn't in films there at all, she still would be considered a superstar.

[edit] Copyright

I notice a large chunk of the article was copied, admittedly, from here [1]. We shouldn't do that - we should write our own text, using information from others, not copy-and-paste. Mad Jack O'Lantern 05:46, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] too many cats

The categories attached to this article were substantially trimmed. How many categories is "too many"? Is there a guideline? -- Mikeblas 08:02, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I would argue for the removal of the eurasian model one as she is definitely more notable for her career as an actor now (mi3 etc) Tyhopho 09:40, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] French ancestry

I have restored the mention of her French ancestry and there is zero reason to remove it. It comes from this interview [2], certainly a first-hand source. Just because other interviews don't go into as much detail as to her father's ancestry, doesn't mean it's inaccurate. When it comes to great-grandparents' ancestry and the like, certainly sources don't always give the blow-by-blow. Mad Jack 05:09, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

The source is from a fansite. How is that considered 'a first-hand source'? My source was a transcript of the interview and Maggie states just Polish and Irish.

[3] [4] actionfilmscomedies.suite101.com/article.cfm/MaggieQOnMissionImpossible

All these three articles state just Polish and Irish on her father's side as well. I have yet to see any other article stating French ancestry, and the link you provided was from a fansite that quoted. Can you provide another source. I dont know how an article from 3 years ago, is in comparison to an article that actually has a quote from Maggie herself. Can you provide another source or at least explain how reliable the one you provided is. --Macaubabe 08:02, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

My source is an interview with Maggie. Needless to say, an interview is reliable enough. Presumably, any information provided in the interview comes from Maggie herself. Obviously, her father having Polish and Irish ancestry doesn't contradict with her father also having French ancestry, so I don't even see this as a source vs. source problem. Mad Jack 17:47, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Its not a source vs source problem, its more of the ratio of how many sources omit to French ancestry against those that dont. I'll agree, but i just think that in this scenario, one source is not enough considering all the other sources that omit to French ancestry outweigh those that actually state French ancestry, which is only one right now. --Macaubabe 20:22, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Eh, some of the sources you gave aren't much reliable, and, one can find similar sources that mention French [5] [6] [7]. Other sites just say Irish and omit Polish as well! I don't see how the interview could be wrong, though, and there's little reason to believe it is. Mad Jack 20:24, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

See we are judging each other's sources so this is turning into a sources vs sources match. Anyways, so there are sources (reliable or not) out there that include French, thats basically all i needed to see. Howeever i still stand by my claim since that interview is a direct quote from Maggie, and it would be strange for Maggie to omit a part of her heritage but whatever. --Macaubabe 09:50, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Since Vietnam was ruled by France at one time it could have been possible she had some French ancestry but then it would be on her mother's side and it's supposedly on her father's side. So that would not be correct.

Many Poles moved to France after World War II. Maybe her father's Polish side of the family lived in France at one time. Then she could technically be called part French.

Her name sounds Irish Catholic. Of course, Poland and France are mostly Catholic too.

She went to a Catholic school.

[edit] ethnicity in header

The lead sentence should remain "American". Discuss her family background and ethnicity further into the article per WP:MOSBIO. Thanks! --Tom 12:15, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nationality

Per WP:MOSBIO#Opening paragraph #3 a biography should give Nationality. Removing this should be considered vandalism and users should be warned accordingly. --After Midnight ⁰⁰⁰¹ 04:19, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Semi-protection

I don't see what's there to discuss. WP:MOSBIO says, and several editors have agreed as well, that only nationality should be mentioned in the header. It's a case of a single user going against consensus and the style guideline of Wikipedia. Mad Jack 05:00, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know about Wikipedia rules and guidelines, if one user vandalizes article over and over, eventually that user gets blocked from editing that article. Until that happens, and as far as I know, main reason for protecting this specific article was to stop random users starting flame war because they think their opinion is better than the guideline. I also know that some guidelines contradict with itselves and that is something Wikipedia really should avoid. Monni 06:12, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

What I'm really saying is that the problem is a single user who has already been reverted by several people on this issue, but doesn't seem to listen and continues reverting. He (User:Armyranger) has currently been blocked for 3rr. Mad Jack 06:41, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not opposing on changing what is along guidelines, but I do think protecting this article was a good thing. I'm neither opposing unprotecting this page after 3rr block expires and user doesn't continue vandalising other pages in similar way. Monni 07:13, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, he has returned and reverted again on the only article that is not currently semi-protected to include his version (Kelly Hu). Suggestions? (Or, wishful thinking, unprotecting them all and reverting back to WP:MOSBIO) Mad Jack 06:33, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Three choices:

1. (Semi-)protect all vandalized articles
2. Block user for longer time
3. (Semi-)protect all vandalized articles and block user for longer time

I really don't want to be the judge and the jury, but I don't like at all people trashing my watchlist with indifferent edits. Monni 07:47, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

My only problem with the semi-protection is that this article and Cristy Thom are currently stuck on Armyranger's version (the one that's been reverted by several editors and breaks WP:MOSBIO) Mad Jack 08:16, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't see it as a problem at all... Like the protection guideline says, clean vandalism can be reverted by an admin even if page is protected due a dispute. Also... In the strictest sense "American" isn't really a nationality in the same way "Asian American" or even "Asian" isn't. It's a continent containing several countries. I've seen several articles changed from "British" to "English" because of same reason. I have to admit that putting "American" is best compromise though. There isn't easy adjectival form of "United States of America". Monni 08:54, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Commenting only procedurally, semi-protection would have no effect here, that will only prevent editing by IPs or users that are less than 4 days old. (plus the guideline says not to use semi-protection in edit disputes) --After Midnight ⁰⁰⁰¹ 13:22, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

We're talking about the United States as a country - America, not the continent. "Asian American" isn't a nationality because there is no country called Asian-America. I don't quite understand where we are at, right now. Are you saying that you won't unprotect this article until Armyranger is either blocked or goes away? I doubt we'll be lucky enough to get him blocked for 3rr again, and, what qualifies as "goes away" anyway? Mad Jack 18:15, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Last time I checked, I wasn't an admin here. So I'm not in any case going to unprotect this article. What comes to "goes away", for me it is enough that no similar vandalising happens in a week on an article that isn't protected or semi-protected. Monni 18:40, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Can we get this unprotected so the article can be "fixed"? Also, can we please get Armyranger nuked asap. That would end this issue it seems. Anyways,--Tom 13:02, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I think the procedure goes something like this:

{{editprotected}}

[[United States|Asian-American]] -> [[United States|American]]

(first sentence in lead section)

Monni 16:58, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

You have the procedure right, but I think that in cases like this it is better to wait for the page to be unprotected rather than for an admin to make small edits like this. If the last vandalism was libelous or obscene, then it would appropriate for me to revert it now. CMummert · talk 17:53, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I unprotected the article. Please take care to follow the three revert rule and report violations of it to WP:AN3. CMummert · talk 17:59, 9 April 2007 (UTC)