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Contents 1 Rhythm computer game 2 Extra Developers 3 Rename proposal 3.1 WP:RM discussion 3.1.1 Rhythm video game → Music game 4 Rez a music game? 5 Regarding one line in the Bemani portion

[edit] Rhythm computer game

Should this article be merged to rhythm computer game category?

Random guy 18:39, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Extra Developers

Where's RoXoR Games? They developed In The Groove and its sequel.

Also, where's Andamiro? They created the whole Pump It Up series (Something like 11 games in all).

I'm sure you could consider these major players considering the lawsuits brought up against both of these companies by Konami.

[edit] Rename proposal

I believe that the phrase "music game" is in more common parlance than the phrase "rhythm game," and that it is generally clear that the subject of interest is a video/computer game. Therefore I think that all the information here should instead be moved to an article named music game, and that all other references to rhythm games (such as at List of computer and video games by genre) should be changed to music games. My reasons are as follows:

1. "Music game" is a broader term, while "rhythm game" is potentially a more specific one, referring to games that emphasize percussion. Certainly, all music games have an element of rhythm to them, but to describe Karaoke Revolution as a rhythm game (as it currently is on the genre list) seems somewhat inaccurate.
2. Although it's not necessarily an accurate measure of a term's popular use, the phrase "rhythm game" gets 10,200 hits on Google, while "music game" gets 130,000.
3. Anecdotally, I go to a college where students enjoy a variety of music games, particularly Dance Dance Revolution and Frequency, and I had never heard the phrase "rhythm game" before I saw it on Wikipedia.
4. It's worth mentioning that the Japanese Wikipedia equivalent of this article translates directly as "Music game," and Japan is of course where most of these games originate.

Any thoughts are welcome. Currently all I've done is set up a redirect from music game to rhythm video game. (A redirect from rhythm game already existed.) I think this article would flourish if it were clearer that its subject matter included all music games. --LostLeviathan 08:20, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

• I second this proposal. "rhythm video game" seems like jargon and I'd never heard the term until I saw this article. Kappa 08:25, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] WP:RM discussion

[edit] Rhythm video game → Music game

I've outlined my reasons for this proposal at Talk:Rhythm video game, and so far I've gotten one agreement and no objection. The reasons for the change fall into two categories:

1. "Music game" is both a broader and more accurate term. An obvious example of a game that seems, intuitively, to be a music game but not a rhythm game is Karaoke Revolution, a singing game in which pitch is more important than rhytm.
2. "Music game" is the more commonly used term; although rhythm game is also frequently used, "music game" gets far more Google hits. I feel fairly certain that the term "music game" is more commonly used both in reviews and in online directories such as DMOZ. [1]

Also, I think the "video" part is redundant; while there may technically be some other music-related games, I'm sure that they could be handled through a disambiguation heading. This would also make the article more consistent with other articles on video game genres, including fighting game and shooter game. (In the case of strategy game, both video and board games are thrown into the same article; a music game article could certainly do the same.)

Note that making this change would entail a couple of other changes: "Rhythm" would be changed to "Music" at Computer and video game genres, and the "Rhythm computer games" category would be renamed the "Music games" category. --LostLeviathan 01:51, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

• Hrm. I think "music game" is too broad. "Musical chairs" is a music game. - UtherSRG 03:23, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

• While musical chairs is a game played with music, I don't think one would describe it to someone unfamiliar with it as a "music game"; that particular combination of words, in my experience, only refers to video games. Similarly, one could describe boxing as a fighting game, but when you say "fighting game" you're generally talking about a video game genre. I think that if someone types "music game" into the Go box, they expect to read about Dance Dance Revolution, Frequency, and others like them. If you really want, you could put a sentence at the top of the article clarifying: "This article is about a video game genre. You might also want to read about musical chairs." --LostLeviathan 07:13, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

• Hmm, I think I mildly object. Rhythm video game seems to cover it pretty well. Musical video game instead, perhaps? -- ALoan (Talk) 15:42, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • I agree. - UtherSRG 17:23, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)
    • I also agree with ALoan. "Music game" is just too broad, but "Musical video game" or perhaps just Music video game seems the right fit. Jonathunder 21:40, 2004 Dec 21 (UTC)
      • While I still think "music game" would be best, a move to "music video game" (with corresponding changes to the category name, etc.) would be the next-best thing. --LostLeviathan 08:38, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Rez a music game?

I'm debating the issue at Talk:Rez. Unless someone provides a good argument for why it qualifies, I'm going to remove it from the category and remove the reference from it from this article.--Malcohol 09:59, 14 February 2006

--Should the psp games be mentioned in this article: if not I will delrte them

[edit] Regarding one line in the Bemani portion

"The overwhelming success of DDR and its sequels has spawned numerous re-creations of the game or its mechanics, both commercial (Pump It Up, EZ2Dancer) and free (including StepMania, which is also FOSS, and Dance With Intensity, which is not), making it possibly the most duplicated music game in existence."

Actually, Pump It Up, EZ2Dancer, and DDR are completely different games, they were just released in similar timespans (oct 1998 for DDR vs aug 1999 for PIU). Just because a game involves stepping on arrows, doesn't mean that it's a duplication of DDR. Stepmania/DWI are not duplicates, they're simulators. Spaceboy 04:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)