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[edit] that sega site
what on earth happend to www.segamastersystem.com website, i miss it so much!
- I believe you referring to the site that was created by shinobiman from about Jan 2002 onwards. In late 2004 he closed the site and the duties where then handed on to forum user Sinistral. He redesigned the site and I think the segamastersystem.com domain expired and seemed to have been bought by a company called nexus9 before it could be renewed. The site then branched off into what SMS Tributes (sega8bit.com) is now and the SMS community is thriving more than ever.
[edit] Card slot
Anyone know what the purpose of the card slot was? I had a Master when I was little (still have it lying around somewhere) and never did get a good answer to that question. -VJ 01:18, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
- Some of the games came on cards. I have one, Spy vs. Spy. 69.171.89.130 02:30, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
- The SMS' predesessors also used the cards, with add ons. I belive they were software compatible, but I don't know for certain. Those systems used cards because cartridges were more expensive. --anon.
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- A set of 3D glasses could be purchased which would plug in to the card slot. The glasses only worked with a few games that were designed to take advantage of them, like Zaxxon 3D and Maze Hunter. Scorpi0n
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[edit] Master System versus Nintendo (NES)
Article quote: "Though the Master System was more technically advanced in most ways than the NES, it did not attain the same level of popularity among consumers in the United States"
Is there any truth to this statement? Graphic-wise they're virtually identical from what I can see, same resolution, and very similar if not identical color palette and colors per screen. Sound-wise the Nintendo even has the edge (5 voices versus 3 voices, and with more complexity in waveforms allowed). Which just leaves animation and speed...is this where the Master System was superior?
For years I always heard the Master System was superior but after looking at the technical specs and comparing games (on a real console) I question that. Beyond just disputing that paragraph in the article, I'd be interested in hearing from others on the subject.
- As far as I can tell the SMS has more vivid colors. The NES also seems to have more glitches in its graphics (but I have not played enough SMS to know). I agree with you as far as the audio goes; the NES tunes are richer and are not as much blocked out by sound FXs.
- I think part of the reason the NES managed to keep up with the SMS (graphically) can be thanks to the memory mappers that was "cheaply" available for NES developers (while SMS devs had to contend with what shipped with the system.)--Anss123 20:31, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- Identical colors per screen? Not really. The NES can display 16. The SMS can display 32. Crv1 22:05, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- Comparing Image:NES Rampage.png and Image:SMS Rampage.png, and Image:SMS Shinobi.png and Image:NES Shinobi.png this point becomes evident. The Double Dragon ports also serve as a good example. --Jtalledo (talk) 16:46, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- From what I know there are different sprites number capabilities in both system.. SMS seems to have lot of power in this way. 13:20, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Screenshot Gallery
Does this gallery typically feature a system's most 'representative' games? If so, I think including any games released after 1989 - when the Mega Drive was released - wouldn't quite fit the bill. Populous and Sonic the Hedgehog, for example, are known primarily for their 16-bit versions. And including Marble Madness is a bit pathetic, considering the definitive Nintendo version came three years earlier.
Wouldn't games like Fantasy Zone, Space Harrier, Outrun, and Shinobi be more appropriate? Renfield 00:37, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Last Games
Anyone know what the last games to be released in certain regions for the SMS are? I remember some Mortal Kombat game being released in 1996 in the UK - dunno if it was 2 or 3. --Zilog Jones 13:51, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] 3D Glasses
I don't think there's a difference between the SMS's "fake" 3D and the Virtual Boy's "real" 3D.
Both, presented a separate image to each eye. They were also both limited to "planes" of 2D sprites, Nintendo rather stupidly using a 2D tile-mapped video engine, and underpowered CPU, meaning the only "real" 3D game used hollow polygons.
As I think is adequately explained, the SMS alternated left / right images to the screen, while the glasses blocked the right / left eye in turn. That's as 3D as you get. Cinemas use similar shutter glasses, often kept in sync with infra-red pulses, in the odd 3D film today.
Just a grudge. The SMS 3D glasses, were real 3D!... and I wish I'd bought the pair I once saw in a second-hand shop, Space Harrier must be amazing.
Greenaum, 6-aug-2006
[edit] number of sold units
I've changed the number of sold units back from 19 million back to 13 million since the change was done by an IP user without further notice. In the last few hours I've noticed quite some changes like that:
Sega Mega Drive/Sega Genesis
Sega Game Gear
Sega Saturn
and at the Console wars article. The Dreamcast numbers were changed too, but that was already fixed. --32X 01:50, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Notable games
What makes those games notable? The list in the article looks like people are just adding their favorite games. Supermagnetic 21:02, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
- If a game is sold alot or is famous for its playability for its time then I would say a game is notable, but it doesnt nescesarily have to be notable for the SMS, if you get me. I dont think of f.ex. Ultima as a thypical SMS game and I didnt even knew it was ported. I would say that around 3/4 of the list is right, as I see it though. --AndersL 22:31, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Packages and Built in games section
Could this subject be something to use in the entry ? I had a variant of the Master System in the 80's, that had Hang-On and Safari Hunt, built into the system bios. This setup also had two controllers and a lightgun..
- I'm not really sure whether that's relevant or not but it might be interesting for somebody. Just include it at a fitting position in the article - if someone doesn't like it it'll get removed. ;) How about that one:
- "The Master System came in different packages and sometimes with BIOS-included games, f.e. ..."
- -- 32X 21:31, 3 October 2006 (UTC) (PS: Don't forget to sign your comments on discussion pages with the ~~~~.)
[edit] Game controllers
In the subsection "Game controllers" Dj ansi wrote:
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- Strangely, Sega also released a joystick, the Sega Control Stick, which placed the buttons to the left of the stick, seemingly for someone left-handed who is still new to video games. It may have been based on the Atari 2600 joystick, which had its single button in the upper-left corner.
While "stangely" is not encyclopedic, the rest seems a bit like original research: "seemingly", "may have been based on".
We should include the joystick but a better description is needed. Any idea? --32X 15:38, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
- PS: As a right-handed user I had no problems with the stick; I wouldn't bring up the left-handed story if there's no real source for it. 32X
[edit] Cheating Device for SMS
Was a cheating device for the Sega Master System ever invented? If so, what was it called?--Mathsexpressions 05:40, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
- I haven't found an image but IIRC there was a version of the Action Replay for the Master Sytem. At least I've found some Action Replay codes for it. --32X 16:01, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Question 1: When was the SMS released in Europe? Question 2: I saw the NES system on eBay UK. Does that mean that the NES was released in Europe?
- According to [1] it was in September of 1987.
- You might think that Europeans live in the Middle Ages but in fact they had the NES.
Hope that helped. --32X 05:26, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Sega Base System
I seem to remember there being a "Sega Base System", which essentially is the same as the Master System except without 3-d glasses or a light gun in the package, or something to that effect. I was 7 or 8 when it came out so sorry if my memory is hazy from then. Anyways, the article could delve into the Base System and how the Master System became synonymous with the entire platform. And to prove I'm not delusional, here's a eBay link to a Base System auction. hateless 05:35, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
- I think it would hard to explain. It seems that Sega of America, for a while anyway, referred to the system as just "The Sega System" in commercials and in instruction manuals. "The Sega Master System" was just the name of the package containing more stuff, as you said. But that appears to just be some marketing thing that was eventually dropped. No matter what package you got, the console said "Sega Master System" on it. Then of course, you have the startup screen. Crv1 01:18, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Before that eBay auction I never knew about that part of the Master System's history. I think there should be a note in the introduction and some more information in Sega Master System#North America. --32X 01:48, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
