Talk:Shichibukai

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Contents 1 Leave in the Japanese term after the title 2 Dragon 3 Combine Articles? 4 Luffy 5 Shichibukai/7 Warlords moved pages 6 Shichibukai and their crews. 7 Please confirm 8 Requested Move 8.1 Arguments in support of moving to "Shichibukai" 8.2 Arguments Against moving to "Shichibukai" 8.3 Survey 8.4 Discussion 9 gecko 10 New sites 11 Gecko Moria theme

[edit] Leave in the Japanese term after the title

It has been removed more than once now. Even if you think the dubbed version of One Piece is the dominant version (because it is the one on TV in America), the original was in Japanese. Stop deleting the explanation of "Shichibukai." It is a relevant reference. Besides, it's not like this Wiki article is several feet long, and overflowing with so much information that we have to trim it down. --TLG 06:24, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Why are we having arguments over names here??? Its pointless and confusing. Angel Emfrbl 14:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Really, the article's title should be Shichibukai. All the other One Piece articles are named in their original Japanese versions. Hydragon 02:28, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Yay! Thank you, I thought so, too. --TLG 17:07, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dragon

Maybe Dragon is a one of them. He has the animal word in it.

He is a revoloutionary... He is against the Goverment... Not with them. Read the World Govnement page please. -_-' Angel Emfrbl 14:33, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Combine Articles?

The three Shichibukai that haven't recieved much focus as of yet don't exactly have the largest articles. Perhaps it would be better if the information there was moved to this article. Anyone agree or disagree? Sigmasonic X 06:38, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Good move, but now the article need tidying up a bit. But thats no biggy really, a few tweaks here and there. Good Job! Angel Emfrbl 07:57, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Luffy

It's possible that luffy could eventually be considered for membership even if he would never accept. For one he has an animal aname and for another, having beaten Sir crocodile he may inhert his postion or at the least prove he's strong enough now as he fights Ciper Pol he showing more strength and talent

Hey... Please reframe from suggesting speculations please. We can't put them up on wikipedia anyway. Angel Emfrbl 20:19, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

OH COME ON!!!!!! I thought I was the only person to realise that.Pikazilla 03:04, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shichibukai/7 Warlords moved pages

Okay so Shichibukai has been redirected to here... I understand 7 Warlords was moved to Shichibukai, then back. I'm confused, whats going on here, someone explain why the conflict here? I would have thought it wouldn't matter which name was put in place. Angel Emfrbl 06:57, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

It's a source conflict. The scanlated manga and fansubs of One Piece use "Shichibukai," but the dubbed version of One Piece uses "Seven Warlords of the Sea." I have not been participating in the page renames or redirects, but I have had to put the explanation of the term "Shichibukai" back into the article after fans of the dub tried to erase references to the original One Piece. Really, the article itself should be named "Shichibukai," since it's (1) the original term and (2) the most widely recognized term. --TLG 19:39, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I shall throw my hat into the ring as well, I support "Shichibukai", because it is FAR more of a popular term, The original term, and "Shichibukai" better translates as "Seven Military Seas". Evadence to my point:

Google search;
"Shichibukai": 26,100 hits
"seven warlords of the sea": 453 hits
(Justyn 20:30, 17 September 2006 (UTC))

This is another 'I don't care either' way one. Strickly speaking, we should be using 7 Warlords because thats what the English anime dub is using. Angel Emfrbl 20:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Actualy, no, Wikipedia's policy backs "Shichibukai". It's the native official version, and it is more commonly used then the official english version, and I have without a doubt met the burden of proof to proove this. But if you need more...

deviantART;
Shichibukai: 46 hits
"Seven Warlords of the Sea": no hits

(Justyn 22:05, 17 September 2006 (UTC))

The new wording on Wikipedia's policy now states that this page should be moved to Shichibukai, based on the evidence.

I think it should be moved back purely on the basis we never discussed the move beforehand, it was done without anyone saying anything. Angel Emfrbl 07:49, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

But it wasn't one move, it was several back-and-forth moves. "Seven Warlords of the Sea" is not the most commonly used term, not even among English-speaking fans, so it should not be the title of the article. I think that has been shown to satisfaction. --TLG 19:56, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shichibukai and their crews.

"When a pirate joins the Seven Warlords of the Sea, he must give up his crew and work solo hunting down other pirates. However, this does not mean they will completely give up their crew and forget it still exists. As demonstrated by Donquixote Doflamingo, who left his old crew to Bellamy the Hyena but returns to punish Bellamy for failure and disgracing his old flag."

I removed this from the top section since it's pure speculation, so far there hasn't been a single indication that Pirates must abandon their crews in order to become Shichibukai.

Mihawk might have always been a loner, but we have Crocodile openly running a casino in Alabasta (showing that he's allowed to have underlings) and Doflamingo starts out by addressing Bellamy as an active member of his crew and later kicks him out of his crew (possibly even killing him in the process).

Then we have Lafitte proposing that his captain Blackbeard should be appointed as Crocodile's replacement which doesn't really make sense if that would mean that the Blackbeard pirates would become disbanded.

We also don't know the real reason for why the Fish-Men pirates broke up, personally I think it's simply because many of them disagreed with Jimbei's decision to join the Shichibukai.81.227.98.198 15:17, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay here are some things I'd like to say:

• Its stated before the Arlong Arc that they abondon their crews.
• Does it matter if Blackbeard looses his crew?
• They abondon their crews, but its doesn't mean they completely ignore their existence. Don Flamingo hasn't. After all, they may called themselves 'Bellamy's Pirates' but they also fly Don Flamingo's flag and Bellamey failed under it... Can't someone still take pride in flags they once used?
• Strickly speaking, Croc broke the rules with the whole Baroque Works thing so that doesn't count either as a insistance of a person having a crew...
• Except for a few members of Baroque Works no one knew who the boss was, even the World Government didn't know about it. So Croc doesn't count.
• Arlong and crew broke away from Jimbei's Fish-Men pirates.

Thats asll I have to say. Angel Emfrbl 16:07, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

1st: Where does it say they abandon their crews, please provide a source. Otherwise, all it says is that Arlong and Jimbei split up, nothing more...

2nd: I'm not reffering to Baroque Works, I'm reffering to Crocodile's Casino. 81.227.104.161 16:29, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Give me a while on the abondon thing... Its not as easy to find this stuff as it seems. Robin was written as the owner of the casino, Croc did own it, see ep.106 but one guy calls Robin 'manager' so she ran it it seems. Also, a casino is pretty harmless... Its not a pirate crew and Croc still has to pay a tribute... So money making schemes wouldn't count. Angel Emfrbl 16:44, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Note: I haven't searched for this yet, I apologise I'll do this later in the week, I've been doing other stuff and there is a lot of episodes to go through. Angel Emfrbl 20:58, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] gecko

we now have to add the newest schichibukai gecko moria.--Ctstrawhat910 22:31, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Or we could wait for the next chapter to actually come out, so we actually have some relevant information to include (not to mention confirmation of the info given in spoilers). I say we wait. --Julian Grybowski 00:12, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

We've been removing chapter spoilers the past months as "Rumours" and I think we should continue with that until release day. It stops any possible false facts being inserted into the text and avoids a lot of hassle and confusion. Angel Emfrbl 07:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Really as soon as big news hits the forums, everyone drops out of the standard practice we've developed over the past two months. Until the chapter release, its classed as a rumour. And more or less every time I've removed the Gekko remour so far I've had to also remove a load of hogwash that has been written about the character. That is the biggest disappointment of all. Angel Emfrbl 16:03, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Currently, there are enough camera pictures to confirm a translation. If this were one picture like Naruto or Bleach, I would understand leaving it out, but the current pictures easily confirm it. Nemu 23:34, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

True... At this point I've only been removing it due to the practice everyone built up. But seriously, I don't see the problem with just waiting a little longer reguardless of situation Nemu. If the news is THAT important it can wait until the chapter is out and we can write a lot more. Those pictures well... They don't really supply with you with the full picture, only bits of it. Angel Emfrbl 23:38, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay a explaination of why we remove all chapter stuff... It was a practice built up by several people here a few months back when the flood of fake spoilers came along. Remove ALL chapter rumours until the confirmation (scanalation) was out. Real or fake, they all get the same treatment. And to be honest... Its better this way. Already we've had a flood of iffy statments on this page. Angel Emfrbl 23:42, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

It seems like a stupid practice to me. We are getting info from fan scanned, and translated manga. A scanlation is only the two combined. If we were waiting for official translations, I would understand, but basically all we're waiting for is someone to upload a couple more pictures, clean them, and put English text over the Japanese text. We aren't working with fake spoilers either. Nemu 23:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Its not stupid Nemu. IIts the last stage of confirmation actually... After that, there is no more doubts about a chapter and everything is fine. Its been done this way for 2 months. If you really don't like it don't edit the One Piece pages and expect not to have the info removed. Simple as that.

And personnelly... I'd prefer things to stay this way. Everyone benefits eventually. Angel Emfrbl 23:48, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

It's silly. If something can be confirmed, why leave it out? If something can be verified, there is no reason to leave it out. I really don't think random traditions can get in the way of editing. Just because x editors agree to keep something verified off the page for a little bit, does that really mean you can? Nemu 23:53, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

The last few weeks everyone is dealt with this just fine. Why are you complaining Nemu, in a few hours no doubt it will be out and I won't stop you from adding it. Its not that much of a big deal. And I said it benefits everyone after that LAST confirmation there is NOTHING left to doubt. Really. As I said, we just treat it all the same. We've already had one case of a bad reference on Moria here, only reason why I'm enforcing it this week, otherwise I'm not usually that keen to enforce it (one person ruins it for everyone). Angel Emfrbl 23:57, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm complaning because I don't believe users should establish and enforce pointless rules that I don't believe have any real force behind them. I mean, really, what if all the Naruto editors decided to follow the release of the English manga only or something? Do they really have the right? I don't think you can establish random rules without it actually being a policy. If there was something on WP:A supporting you, you would have a case. Nemu 00:01, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey if the peeps on Arlong Park can handle it... We can live with it here. Really its not that much Nemu, if it wasn't late this week you'd be happy since it would be up and no one would have any complaints. Why spoil what we have been doing the last few months and just ruin this thing. As for the Naruto thing... I wouldn't support a English manga only, I'll support this but not something like that. That is stupid.

In a few hours it will probaberly be out anyway. So no one will have any cribs against it. It not like its a secret as you've stated, but you have to think about it here... Its not a bad practice as it keeps the pages clean until then. No we don't have any real force,but then again not when I first joined wikipedia someone told me the Naruto (I think it was this anime) pages revert any IP adress edits... Now that is a bad practice no? Angel Emfrbl 00:13, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

What's Arlong Park anyways? Is it that forum that where people freak out and complain about every little thing? (I may be thinking of another series' forum.) The Naruto thing was just an example. I'm not saying to completely abolish this. It's just silly to keep something confirmed away. Keep stuff off unless multiple pictures confirm it. That seems like a good practice to me. When dealing with something as shaky as scanned manga, it seems pointless to act like we're waiting for confirmation from an official source. Sadly, the thing about the anons is mostly true in actuality. Nemu 00:21, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Basically thats A.Park. But their like that for a reason considering a lot of members put work into the stuff on there. The scanlations and offical confirmations usually (but not always, esp lately) come out at the same time. People can also fake picture Gecko. But yes, those are not fake we've been seeing.

I'd rather fight that annoying fanfiction writer on the Straw Hat Pirates page right now then argue over this (he/she is presisstant). I don't see what the problem is... Yet its underastable someone won't like a practice. Oh wells. This has some peace on on this matter huh Nemu? I'm actually going off line and I wasn't going to hold it up after tonight. Lol. Even I have limits to the practices here, esp when theri a bigger problem which I've mentioned before to deal with. Angel Emfrbl 00:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I just bumped here to remind everyone to wait until the full chapter is out before adding any further detail about gecko! Cuttyflam 11:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New sites

What about 2 new sites;

One about the Gecko Moria-pirates (there's a lot of pages about One Piece pirate groups)

And one about Gecko Moria himself (he seems to be a main enemy in the current arc)

Sorry my bad english; I'm dane.

Your english isn't that bad.  ;)

Hmm.... Well I will give some advice up front to everyone - hold this off a little while longer. If you look at Garp and Dragon's pages, even though they have them they don't need them due to the lack of info they contain. This happened with Brooke's page too. Jumping in and creating the pages won't help us if we do it too soon. As I've said before, patience is sometimes need. But generally, with one or more chapters until we learn a little more about the groups structure and how all the players parts fit together, I don't see why not for the group.

As for Moria, even though he is a Shichibukai, we have little info to warrent a own page. Unlike Mihawk, who although has made few appearances has been provided with with quite a bit of info about him. I would say nearer to the end of the arc for him.  :/ Angel Emfrbl 20:55, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Seconded. Still too few info about Moria and his group. Cuttyflam 19:09, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Well Thriller Bark is up but no Moria yet. With chapter 450 we now have enough to warrent that page, however we still lack great amounts for a Moria page. Angel Emfrbl 09:54, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gecko Moria theme

Why exactly is there a Gecko theme,when theres only been 1 viewing of him?I know it may be corect, but Jimbei doesnt have "whale-shark" in his theme,only that its speculated. Please understand why im including this into Moria's article as well,at least for now.

New Babylon 13:53, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... With the others you could almost say the same thing. Part of the theme is the name, the second is something they have in appearance or reference. With Mihawk, its his nickname based on his eyes, with the other liek Doflamingo and Kuma its also there. Croc was like this too. Moria will have something about him thats liked to a Lizard properly.  :/ Angel Emfrbl 15:15, 26 March 2007 (UTC)