User talk:Ward3001

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Hello, Ward3001, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! Sonic3KMaster ^talk 04:41, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Poltergeist

Hi Ward301, I notice you've been trying to fix the cast list for the film. I agree with you that Heather O'Rourke should not be listed first unless she was billed first. I don't have a copy of the film - do you? I would suggest that the cast list should be in the order they were billed in the film credits. Perhaps you could put something on the talk page to explain that, if you change it back. I'm sure that Craig T Nelson and Jobeth Williams would have been credited first, and although the story centres around Carol Ann, she is absent for a lot of the film. We don't actually see her while the rest of the family is looking for her, and I'm sure that a 5 year old in her first film would not have been given top billing.

Maybe another way of doing it could be to have a subheading for each film under the "cast" header and list the cast for each in order of billing. I think that would be the fairest and most NPOV way of doing it. What do you think? Rossrs 00:11, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] On Maria Goretti

You had questions, here's my answer. Hope I'm not messing up...

I didn't include my source since it wasn't of the online type, but of the audiovisual one. It was the EWTN TV special on Saint Maria Goretti produced by the EWTN, called "Fourteen Flowers of Forgiveness" (or "Catorce Flores de Perdón" in Spanish; since I live in Latin America, I watched the Spanish dub version). It *specifically* stated that only the Goretti family attended the canonization ceremony, and as a proof they showed photographies of the ceremony that featured Assunta and her four remaining children (including two sons, one of them coming all the way from the USA to join his family in such an important event). None of these specific pictures featured Alessandro; only the remaining Gorettis. The EWTN page on Maria Goretti ( http://www.ewtn.com/library/mary/goretti.htm ) mentions this; while it states how Assunta and Maria's siblings went to the ceremony, it doesn't say *anywhere* that Alessandro went with them.

EWTN is a quite serious Catholic media network, and the special itself was very well-documented and had several interviews including people who either knew Maria or worked in the beatification/canonization processes, so I went with their version. I'll leave things as they are in the page by now, or at least until I can get a more detailed source, but here I'm proving you that I'm not purely saying things because I say so or believe so. Lunamaria 20:30, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia item

http://www.moviemistakes.com/film3853/questions http://www.usaweekend.com/03_issues/030525/030525who.html

The above two links should both confirm Tarantino had planned to play Pai Mei. As for Kill Bill being the only Tarantino films he has not appeared in, that can easily be confirmed by looking at the imdb credits for his other films. He has appeared in all of them but Kill Bill. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.238.8.7 (talk) 19:17, 16 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Note

I appreciate that. Thank you. Navou ^banter 23:40, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shawn Hornbeck

Ego has nothing to do with it. You are supposed to request unprotection when you have reached a consensus, we do not wait for you to finish it and watch the page for ever. Cbrown1023 23:40, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. Cbrown1023 23:54, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Just a note ...quote from talk" Page unprotection was requested here and contested here and subsequently declined here. "

Also I placed a note on the admins page, whom protected the article, and they unprotected it today. Navou ^banter 00:03, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] G. K. Butterfield

You cannot be serious: can you? Shakam 21:37, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I know what phenotype means, and unfortunately in America it is a main component in labeling a person's race. And, G. K. Butterfield is clearly not black. Shakam 04:00, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Love triangle revision

Hi, I just noticed that you reverted some previous edits in your edit on Love triangle, including some edits I made on the spelling and syntax. I don't mean to sound like a nitpicker, but I would like to hear if you want to keep the list of examples of love triangles, and if so, why and how. I'm a bit fearful that it'll grow out of control. Breed Zona 23:43, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deaf-mute

Deaf-mute was the term used to describe her in most reviews of the film. This is why I changed it. Not all deaf people "choose not to talk." --Tellerman

Making this comparable to the "N-word" is pushing it. I see no evidence of "deaf-mute" being offensive to any more than a minority. But whatever, I'll leave it out. There was still no need to confront me in this way. --Tellerman

Ok, I'll drop it if you drop it. It won't/hasn't been re-added. --Tellerman

[edit] Here's an idea...

Get a life and stop shadowing my edits.

Freak.

24.0.97.119 00:52, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mute

Number One -- "Mute" is a perfectly acceptable term to use for someone who, for whatever reason, does not speak. That, in fact, is the primary definition of the term -- [1] -- and there are, to my knowledge, no alternatives.
Number Two -- Wikipedia is not censored.
Number Three -- Wikipedia is not a soapbox.
Number Four -- Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point.
Number Five -- You skipped about five steps in the mediation process.

I'm sorry if you or anyone else finds the term offensive, but Wikipedia cannot be expected to reinvent the English language to sidle itself with an EXTRAORDINARILY small percentage of the population. Your repeated comparisons of the word "mute" to the "N-word" is unwarranted, unfounded, and in all ways repellent: the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of the population finds the "N-word" to be offensive. Furthermore, you have not suggested any alternate language, and have, instead, insisted on simply removing the word wherever it might be found.

If you and the rest of the hearing-impaired community truly find the word to be offensive, striking it from the lexicon is not the way to affect change. Unilaterally imposing your world-view on the general population is not the way to do it, either. Attempt to raise consciousness. Your continued displays on Wikipedia is not helping your cause; judging from your talk page, this is not the first incident.

It's a WORD. It's not being used hatefully, nor is it being used to disparage the appellant. It is a combination of letters.

24.0.97.119 00:12, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I find it interesting you feel able to be the final word on how a word is used. Language is a community property and it is constantly in flux. Read our entry on euphamism for a better understaning of how words and phrases can fall into/out of fashion, common usage, or taboo status Qaz 14:19, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Not that I should expect you to be intellectually honest given your hiding of yourself behind that IP, but come on, who is it who "feel[s] able to be the final word" on the issue, really? We have had several people now complaining about your use of the word "deaf-mute", because your use of it is both inaccurate and (therefore) offensive. You appear to be in a minority of one on this issue Twenex 15:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Taylor Ware

Thanks for your questions and your patience in reversion.

If a year link is removed, it's usually removed for a reason. If you look at my comments, usually (*but not this time) I typically give the reason as removing a redundant link. The 2006 year was formatted as a link just previous to the one I removed from being a link.
As for the geolink, you are mistaken. The city and state, as I have formatted them, are each clickable to show that they are separate entries. As it was previously formatted, clicking on either word would have sent it to the city link. My way, both the city and state can be selected. Please let me know if I have adequately answered your concerns. I only wish to improve the use and appearance of this great resource Wikipedia.--SidP 01:23, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] deaf-mute and recent discourse

hi hi. its interesting that you brought this, as the term 'Deaf Mute' is sort of a focal point for the vlog community right now (other than the SLCC ruckus over at Gallaudet University). See Ella Lentz's two posts about it here and here. The comments in particular supply a wide range of reactions and feels to the term, as well as comparisons. Going to DeafRead and searching for 'Deaf Mute' you'll find an even wider range in response to these two vlogs (Ella Lentz is a pretty big Deaf leader figure, especially in Deafhood) and they will mostly be in ASL if that is your preference.

my personal feelings about the term find some strange ground. i know of those who find the term 'deafness' very offensive (implying deficit, condition, lack, medical, negative) and 'deafhood' (community, brother/sisterhood, state of being, belonging, positive) very acceptable. i know of those who find the term 'hearing impairment', and this includes me, as a phrase that is very offensive as it defines a group by what they aren't/dont have - for instance if you refereed to someone of color as 'not white guy over there', or a woman as 'no penis person over there'. in the end it is a matter of consensus, which in my experience leaves out slurs, cuss words (barring the Fuck article, etc) and the like - so if others feel the same way or can be convinced, then its inclusion or exclusion should be enforced.

i see your link to the NAD [2], which is good, but that is a US resource and not universal, and this is a consensus discussion. how i weigh in at this point is that i think if the book used the phrase 'deaf mute' it would be notable to phrase it as such in the article (with quotes), but perhaps with a (See Deaf) note after it.

the commenter above, saying that wikipedia is not a soapbox, should not be disrupted to make a point and is not censored should still be taken to heart; these are important guidelines. i thank you for inviting me to this discussion. cheers. JoeSmack ^Talk 18:50, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello, Ward! I left a comment over on the talkpage for The Heart is a Lonely Hunter. If there's anything else I can do, please contact me again. Arria Belli | parlami 19:10, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

The term "deaf-mute" is a historic term used to describe Deaf people, when there was ignorance about deafness and people's attitudes toward the Deaf community were negative. It appears thing haven't changed much since there are still some people who think it's acceptable to still describe Deaf people as such. As for the comment that Wiki is not censored, if somebody wrote articles about a Black person or a Chinese person and refered to them in the article using the "N" word or the "C" word, this would be jumped upon immediatley as the terms are offensive. So there is no difference and the term "deaf-mute" should not be used unless in a historical context.--NeilEvans 19:19, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My comments on the deaf-mute issue

You're very welcome! Twenex 23:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Do you want/would you like me to add my vote to the mediation? I couldn't find any information on whether I would be considered a "party" to the dispute. Twenex 23:27, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thank you for inviting me to comment on this issue at the talkpage for The Heart is a Lonely Hunter. If I can ever be of use to you regerding this matter or any other involving the deaf please notify and I will eagerly contribute my help and viewpoints. Felixboy 16:01, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good Job

Good job at sounding the alarm and marshalling the proper response to the deaf-mute issue on the talkpage for The Heart is a Lonely Hunter I was happy to see someone had such a good effect on this still often misunderstood issue. Qaz 21:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ntennis

Thanks for contacting me. It looks like the issue has been resolved? You suggested a widespread opposition to your changes from "deaf-mute" to "deaf", but I could only see one anon editor engaging in a revert battle. Am I missing something on other pages? As for the Heart is a Lonely Hunter, I haven't read the book but I'm curious to know what words are used by the author to describe the deaf characters. ntennis 22:47, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for Mediation

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[edit] Discussion over the expert comment

I am not available to discuss it until saturday. I have already requested the page to be fully protected. I think it will go through. How about we discuss this on Saturday 3/17/2007 with which ever admin is assigned to the page? Thegreyanomaly 02:14, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry if you felt I was specifically referring to you and Cfortunato. I remember reading in the talk page somewhere that the article was heavily controlled by Christians and thats where I got that idea. I'm sorry if I offended you Thegreyanomaly 22:23, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

to be clearer, this is the segment of the discussion page that gave me that idea. Also, my request for protection occurred at 01:45, 14 March 2007 and your first revert of The Lost Tomb of Jesus occurred at 01:44, 14 March 2007. Given the fact that there is less than a minute in between your edit and my request and given that that revert was the beginning of our clash, it is impossible that my commment was targetted at you Thegreyanomaly 23:25, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

My religious beliefs are easily available as I have atheist and Buddhist userboxes on my userpage and similarly that is how I determined that some of the opponents of my view were Christian. They had listed themselves as Christian and some had claimed it in the discussion. I was possibly mislead by the statement in the discussion that the page was controlled by Christians. I also had clearly stated in the discussion that I feel that in this case a Christian POV is always going to be NPOV because non-secular Christians would want to believe that the tomb is false. I stated that a secular non-Christian, non-Atheist viewpoint would be preferable because any who fit in that category would not have a belief-decided opinion. I admit I made a minor error by saying some of the people who were editing may or may not have been Christian in my request. I was typing quickly at the time and I made a really stupid error, but nonetheless I DID check to see if the editors were Christian and I admit I should haven't taken "Christians wrote this article" in the discussion as absolute fact. But anyways, I will not be responding to your response until Friday, March 16th at night at the earliest (Pacific Time). I previously had stated that I am busy until the weekend. Thegreyanomaly 00:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I said I wouldn't respond until Friday night, but I will anyways. Now you seem to be assuming things about, which includes an idea that I am anti-Christian. I generally do not check userboxes, but because The Lost Tomb of Jesus is a highly-religion influenced debate I went ahead an did so. It is a fair asssumption that the state of being Christian (primarily towards those who believe in a bodily ressurerction) will influence an individual to being, at some level, against this documentary; this affects the neutrality of Christian arguments. Religion is relevant. I kept my atheistic and my Buddhist beliefs out of my edits. I tried to keep a secular viewpoint by my edits. In the end the page will only affects the people secular to the Jesus issue I edited what I edit to make it clear to people despite what the non-statisticians said the statisticians said that the combination of those names is rare Thegreyanomaly 22:44, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

No I do not believe I am the only one with a non-biased POV. I believe that it is possible for people to keep their beliefs out of their edits, but I believe in case of such article it would be difficult as it does go against beliefs fundamental to (some/most) form of Christianity. It is clear to me this conversation has reach a dead-end and you have come to the level of assuming things about me "Do you think you are the only person who can make unbiased edits without being influenced by personal religious beliefs?" "I begin by assuming good faith that an editor makes changes to the article because they believe it improves the accuracy of the article, not because they are waging a religious war" (implies my edits were not out of good faith; David Mavorah has no standing in statistics; his statistical claims have no authority and to an extent his work should be as claimable as original-research, which wikipedia does not support), "Apparently you feel a need to find out if an editor is Christian, and then you seem to assume that the religion of your "opponent" is what motivates their edits" (an assumption) "don't frame the conflicts as the Christians versus you" (another assumption. as i have said many times, I believe any secular pov could rebutt the documentary). Please cease your assumptions and this conversation. Thegreyanomaly 00:10, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reversions and such

Thanks for doing RC patrol, I know it's like chinese water torture, but hey, someone has to do it.

Anyway, on your reversion on Impressionism, you reverted to a bad version. I appreciate the fact that you're looking out for this, but when you revert, always go to history to check whether or not you got all the revisions, and to see if you were, in fact, the reverter. You did revert, however, there were three revisions you didn't touch.

I got 'em. Don't worry about that, but just be a little more careful in the future. Thanks, and keep up the good work. Pumeleon^T 05:37, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] dorin danila

I blanked the Dorin Danilă article because the real name of the romanian chief of the naval forces is Dorin Dănilă. I want to delete the Dorin Danilă article and the Dorin Dănilă art. will become the correct one,cheers. Eurocopter Tigre 16:05, 17 March 2007

[edit] re:Dorin Danila

I will ask an admin to delete that article, only the admins are allowed to delete articles. Eurocopter Tigre 16:19, 17 March 2007

[edit] alia lahlou

is there a way to be given some time to improve the article? Harlot

[edit] Bandar Torkaman

I added no information to Bandar Torkaman. When I came across the article it was a complete mess. I simple fixed up what was already there. See this diff: [3] Thanks.Azerbaijani 22:16, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Yea, sure.Azerbaijani 12:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] thanks

Thanks for reverting the rubbish on my userpage :) Pseudomonas 02:53, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Me too --Audiovideo 02:59, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mike Yaconelli

That's cool. You should have pulled it on your first visit. I was not linking to it as a commercial venture, but as one of the better examples of the content of his work that I had found live on the web. Alastair Cutting 23:46, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Avril Lavigne

I agree that Wikipedia is not censored, especially with quotes. But you might want to check the accuracy of the quote. It doesn't sound correct. Ward3001 21:21, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Yup, you were right. Someone must've changed the quote at some point. I've fixed it. --Kurt Shaped Box 21:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] G. K. Butterfield again

What I did, was in essence offering a compromise between you and the editor from 143.231.249.141 (which is an interesting IP.) Now, you added the words you wanted, phenotype (and man, that is not very popular in Europe, it's a jump-word) So then you added in what the IP had removed, in addition to my suggested compromise (which should be clear enough for any one who wondered why he is a member of the Congressional Black Caucus. ) Meaning you now got to say it twice. Also, the reference to the talk page gives in my opinion not much sense: it's obvious everybody knows what the discussion is all about. Greswik 11:39, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Aretha In Paris

Can you explain this edit on the Aretha In Paris article? [4]. Just wondering why you would reinstate about 300 lines into an article that don't even directly relate to the subject. Thanks - Cloudz679 22:40, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

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