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I just created this wikiproject, after several months of contemplating doing so. I hope everyone working on hurricane articles will get involved. I went ahead and wrote a bunch of guidelines, basically based on current practices...naturally since this is something I just wrote it doesn't necessarily represent community consensus and needs to be discussed. That discussion should probably go here for now...although eventually we may make these pages a little more structured. For a general TODO list, see the "tasks" item on the project page. Jdorje 23:17, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

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Contents 1 Tropical cyclone rainfall climatology/List of wettest tropical cyclones by country 2 Basin track maps 2.1 Decision? 3 Stats updated 4 WP:WEEKLY, episode 13: 5 New for 2007? 6 Names for 2007-08 SHEM articles?

[edit] Tropical cyclone rainfall climatology/List of wettest tropical cyclones by country

I've been trying to keep this page as updated as possible with all the new additions concerning Mexico's tropical cyclones, which are fairly complete through 1997 on the related HPC TC rainfall website. Images from wikipedia pages that have been created since this article's creation have been added to help "pretty up" the page. In we're ever to get this article to GA, a coordinated effort it going to be needed to bulk up the sections outside the United States and Mexico. A knowledge of spanish will come in handy for the Caribbean countries, Central America, and potentially the Philippines. Hopefully, I'll get access to Cuban rainfall information sometime in the near future. I do wish to thank all the people who caught the typos and misplaced city locations in the original draft. Thegreatdr 17:42, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I've submitted it for GA. Wish me luck.Thegreatdr 20:59, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm looking for someone to check if this article is worthy of GA. It's been on review for about four weeks, and I've only received one comment during that time, soon after its submission. Thegreatdr 17:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I've also submitted tropical cyclone observation and tropical cyclone rainfall forecasting for GA. It would be nice if someone from this group looked them over. The one comment made by this group in tropical cyclone rainfall climatology was helpful. Thegreatdr 13:04, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Basin track maps

Hmm, I might as well have a go at this sometime. That doesn't mean they aren't worth a shot. Here's the basic conceptual ideas I've had, feel free to add if you can think of any.

1. By-month maps
2. By-peak strength maps (the Cat 5 will be directly useful for the pertinent article of course).

Also, I think it could be worth seperating CPac from EPac and splitting the SHem for these purposes. Whilst a by-month cumulative track is less helpful than the analogous NOAA maps in Atlantic hurricane (probabilities are the more appropriate info to show), for the other basins this could be quite informative. I'd be interested to see what the EPac does month by month for example. Any other suggestions for this brainstorm?--Nilfanion (talk) 19:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Great ideas, on all accounts. I'm very interested, as well, to see the storms by month. Now would you do strictly storms from October 1 to October 31, or any storms that formed in October, for example? Hurricanehink (talk) 20:06, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Both can be done (though due to obvious redundancies I will only upload the one I think is best).--Nilfanion (talk) 20:11, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

That works. Hurricanehink (talk) 20:19, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Why not seasonal track maps? At first I thought you were talking about those. Good kitty 06:00, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I think the delay on those is figuring out the best way to do a key, and then adding that to the generator. --Ajm⁸¹ 00:58, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Decision?

I added a seasonal track to 1999 Pacific typhoon season a while back. That is about as good as it is possibly to make with low effort. The question is, is that good enough? I'm leery about the additional effort required to make it significantly better. I'm prepared to roll that out in the near future (over my Easter break) if there is agreement. The questions I have are:

• Should we use maps like in 1999PTS for all seasonal articles without a map already.
• Should we use maps like in 1999PTS for the NOAA basins with a NOAA map?
  • If so, should we do it for all of the seasonal articles, or just the older ones where the NOAA maps are not of high quality?

Obviously, noone is going to object to the first one (something is better than nothing), but how about the rest of them?--Nilfanion (talk) 23:53, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

• It wouldn't be a good idea to replace NOAA maps, for the simple reason that they indicate which track belongs to each storm, and it is a lot of effort to duplicate that on the in-house track maps. Of course, this shouldn't be a hard-and-fast rule, but still, it seems like a lot of unneeded effort. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 03:29, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Well on some of them the key is too small to read, 1950 AHS for example. Maybe we should replace those. --Ajm⁸¹ 03:44, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Yeah, thats what I'm thinking of. The NOAA maps get better and better as they get more recent. Obviously this is going to be tricky to judge without seeing our own ones. Keep thinking about it guys: What I will do is upload the lot and articles without track then get one. As the effort to add a key is non-trivial exercise, it doesn't have to be by the map creator - as long as whatever method we use is internally consistent. As a more serious point however, consider the 2006 Pacific hurricane season. The NHC map doesn't have Ioke; we can make such a track.--Nilfanion (talk) 15:46, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stats updated

The WikiProject graphs that I uploaded on December have been updated with the latest data from the last quarter. Here's the stats:

Quality	№ (2006-12-10)	№ (2007-03-10)	Δ
FA	33	48	+15
A	6	6	0
GA	67	94	+ 27
B	116	130	+ 14
Start	415	412	-3
Stub	159	158	-1
Unassessed	0	2	+2
Total	796	850	+54

Some notes:

1. We're churning out an FA about once a week.
2. We're not using Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical cyclones/Assessment as much as we need to.
3. We're flooding GA; about one hurricane article every three days is passed.
4. Most of our new articles begin at B-Class or better.
5. Some articles (mostly, old hurricane seasons) have not been improved, and might not ever be improved, due to lack of interest.
6. Finally, "fresh blood" is needed here; we're slowly beginning to have editor attrition, and with the recent accomplishments, we're in a perfect position to gain steam.
7. More organization is perhaps needed to tackle the "big ones" (such as Hurricane Wilma and Rita)

Comments? Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 00:46, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

There has been a good deal of recent work on the Pacific typhoon season articles. The problem is, there are so many storms per season, it takes a while to get the stubs up to start class. I still dabble in the older hurricane season articles, if I find relevant information while researching something else (like the tropical cyclone rainfall climatology article). I think once the main articles finally all get to FA, you'll find there may be nothing else to do but work on the old season articles. Thegreatdr 08:12, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:WEEKLY, episode 13:

> Witty Lama: The best one is 2003 Atlantic hurricane season, primarily edited by one user, Hurricanehink, who is 
just a machine! Which has 18 articles in it, pretty much all of which he brought to GA or FA status.  
> Fuzheado: When you mean he is a machine, you don't mean he is a bot, but more like an article machine!
> Witty Lama: So yeah, our hat goes off to Hurricanehink and to the Tropical Cyclone Project, who are just 
phenomenal at creating good articles, featured articles, but now, featured topics!

:D Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 05:21, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Hehe, I love it! :D Hurricanehink (talk) 15:49, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New for 2007?

Any new features we should add to articles or sections for 2007, knowing the Atlantic and Pacific seasons are just around the corner (or just starting in the WPac)? I can't think of too many since we've come so far already... CrazyC83 00:07, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

One thing I would like to see is splitting of the next year's SHEM articles, and, if possible, splitting back to 2000. Hurricanehink (talk) 01:58, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree, starting at least with 2007-08. CrazyC83 01:35, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Names for 2007-08 SHEM articles?

This came up when brainstorming approaches to naming the split 2007-08 Southern Hemisphere season articles. What should they be called? Currently, the split 1999-00 articles are:

• 1999-00 South-West Indian Ocean cyclone season
• 1999-00 Australian cyclone season
• 1999-00 South Pacific cyclone season

My thoughts:

1. I would personally like to see "ocean" get dropped from SWIO, but given that the Arabian Sea and Bay of Bengal are considered different basins by the JTWC, that could create confusion (since Chacor mentioned to me on IRC that South-West Indian could refer to India). Therefore, I really have no problem keeping it the way it is.
2. "Region" needs to be re-added to the Australian cyclone season title - there are non-Australian TCWCs located in the areas covered by the Australian ones (Port Moresby and soon Jakarta). I have no opinion about anything else in the title.
3. "Tropical" may need to be put back into the titles of all three of these, but I'm not sure.

Any other thoughts on this? I'd like some quick feedback so I can have these articles ready by mid-month. --Coredesat 06:06, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Several options are open, and maybe we ought to do some sort of a poll:

• SWIO: South-West? South-west? Southwest? Indian? Indian Ocean?
• AUS: Australia? Australian region? Australian Region?
• SPac: Pacific Ocean? Pacific?

This in turn brings in questions about our current season article naming:

• NIO: North Indian? North Indian Ocean?

Furthermore, should we use 'tropical cyclone' or just 'cyclone'? Or 'cyclonic storm' for NIO? What about Ocean? - SpLoT // 06:39, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to be able to drop, but the ambiguity of keeping it is just asking for trouble. The word "tropical" is redundant: the term season only makes sense when talking about TCs, the conjunction of cyclone and season means the tropical is implicit. Furthermore, the BoM refer to the TCs in their region as the "Australian cyclone season": so the common name matches the without-cyclone variant. As a result, I suggest putting the actual articles at the location without "tropical" in the name and redirects from the variant. For the spelling of SW, use the WMO version (South-West) as none of the nations that get primary affects from cyclones in that basin are English-speaking we do not need to worry about using the local name. Therefore I think the ideal forms are:

• SWIO: X South-West Indian Ocean cyclone season
• Aus: X Australian region cyclone season
• SP: X South Pacific cyclone season

We should also have redirects from the sensible variants: X Australian cyclone season is probably the only necessary one as it is actually used as a term by the BoM, but others should exist.--Nilfanion (talk) 11:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

The word tropical is not redundant; we don't want to introduce POV in the article naming, do we? There are tornado and winter storm/nor'easter seasons for various locations...last I checked they were both classes of cyclones too. Also, just because JTWC prefers something does not make it so. Remember, they are neither an RSMC nor a TCWC even if they act in a similar manner for U.S. interests. Thegreatdr 12:06, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I didn't mention the JTWC (and Coredesat was referring to the North Indian Ocean and not the southern hemisphere). As an aside is there any concept of "season" with non-tropical cyclones in the south? (I ask as an open question here). The Australians refer to the "Australian cyclone season" when clearly meaning the "tropical cyclone season". That indicates a redundancy here imo. The question is: If we were to include "tropical" in the article names would we have redirects or disambiguations at the locations without them. If there is a real non-tropical cyclone season in these areas a dab would be needed. If there isn't then a redirect is all that is ever needed; so use the shorter name in preference.--Nilfanion (talk) 13:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I concur with Nilfanion on all the naming, save the question about 'tropical', which I think needs more discussion. However, the above can bring in other season article naming issues, especially the inclusion of 'Ocean'. At present, all basins do not include 'Ocean', but for the sake of disambiguation, I suggest that the SWIO and NIO at least include 'Ocean', since in these two cases the ocean itself has its name taken from the subcontinent. - SpLoT // 12:47, 8 April 2007 (UTC)