Talk:With Apologies to Jesse Jackson

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Damn, ya'll work fast. Someone add a spoiler tag plz?

Oh my god! It's today! :)

It's so obviously a jab at Micheal Richards.=P I hope they can pull it off.

Me too, but funny as South Park is making fun of current events that will be forgotten in a few years, I wish they'd go back to the early days when they weren't so "relevant." Professor Chaos 19:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

nah totaly disagree, proffesor chaos is by far one of the worst episodes bought out, totaly buzzin about the new episodes. south park has only gotten better as they bring out more episodes, by them being relevant and pokin fun at current events, and happenings only makes it better

Yeah, it used to be a good show before it got so far up its own ass with messages that it forgot how to be funny.

I agree, South Park is the only show to take on the Muhammed Cartoon Controversy and the first to do 9/11. We should respect how they keep up to date and must make sure we use relevant, unbiased information in our articles. The problem is, I'm in England...I'll be able to watch the episodes online though by Friday. Mr. Garrison (talk • contribs)

Contents 1 A record "nigger" usage? 2 Possible Nutty Professor joke? 3 No plural? 4 Wheel of Fortune trivia 5 Cartman & Dr. Nelson 6 Good morning or hello 7 Youtube 8 Trivia 9 Draws parallels to the UK Celebrity Big Brother racism controversy? 10 Disturbed 11 Removed trivia section 12 BINGO

[edit] A record "nigger" usage?

If there's a place that can find such records, I'm pretty sure this episode has used that word uncensored more than any other TV episode. PLEASE someone do some research. Brilliant episode btw. Toastypk 03:41, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Can't wait to see how Jesse reacts tomorrow morning.

I seriously doubt this is the record, 42 is impressive, but it probably not the

Depends on if you draw the distinction between nigger and nigga

42 is always the record. ~ EdBoy^[c] 03:51, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Though it's OR and I can't add it to the article, I find it funny that it's said 42 times, which just so happens to be the Answer to the ultimate question of Life, the Universe, and Everything... Maged123 05:41, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

It's not OR if someone finds site documenting such records, right? Toastypk 15:13, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

How can it be original research if everyone in the world can almost without effort verify what you're saying?--Roofle 16:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Unless Trey or Matt say anything, it's OR, plain and simple. Maged123 23:53, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm firmly sure that The Boondocks holds that record, but i'm not positive. --George The Man 18:17, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Yep, it's the episode Granddad's Fight, without counting the times when the word is displayed on-screen, this episode uses the word "nigga" 65 times — tops among first season episodes. I'm only guessing this is the most for a TV show. The only show i can imagine beating it would be Chappelle's Show, and that would have to be the first one, with Clayton Bigsby. --George The Man 18:22, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Well dayyyam, I guess I was wrong. Toastypk 23:18, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Possible Nutty Professor joke?

When Randy is in the Laugh Factory it echos a scene from The Nutty Professor where the comedian on stage (in South Park it seems to resemble Dave Chappelle, who was actually in the movie) and instead of the fat jokes he uses the nigger guy jokes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.5.189.102 (talk) 12:07, 8 March 2007 (UTC).

No, the comedian sounds exactly like Chris Rock, and kind of looks like him with some facial hair. He was much darker skinned than Dave Chappelle.

[edit] No plural?

I believe "naggers" actually is a word. If a person nags, he is a nagger. If a group of people nag, they are naggers. You can't apply a word to one and not all, the English language doesn't work that way. Also, the source is unreliable. I say strike it out. 72.240.163.8 14:20, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Yep, it is a word. The noun can be pluralised. Gaijin84 18:09, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

However, the idea that "the English language doesn't work that way" doesn't hold much weight. For every "rule" in English, there are at least a handful of noteworthy exceptions (and since we're talking about pluraizing nouns, think about plurals of mouse vs house and goose vs moose to understand what I mean). - Ugliness Man 04:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

"Naggers" can be found at http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/naggers. I propose that the statement that "naggers" is not a "real word" be removed. --65.43.209.36 22:21, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I would tend to agree. I also don't really see much point in including the "word not found" link to dictionary.com. 00:33, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

so until some wanker at harvard decides naggers is a word, no one in the world is allowed to say naggers? a word is a series of sounds one makes with their mouth and is understood by others. if i say naggers, im pretty sure that people understand what im on about, regardless of whether harvard says its a word or not. is it against the law to say naggers?

Well it's already only one letter away from being illegal :-)

I think that wiktionary.org is more reliable than dictionary.com, so I removed the entire bit about naggers not being a real word.

The Oxford English Dictionary (http://dictionary.oed.com , for subscribers only) lists:

nagger, n
A person who nags; something which nags at or bothers one continuously.

And more illustrative, the quotations, which include 'naggers' multiple times:

1881 Spectator 22 Jan. 109 The Irish are naggers. 1895 Daily Tel. 17 Jan. 5/3 Naggers always labour under imaginary grievances. 1926 W. DE LA MARE Connoisseur 194 His brother's wife, Fanny, had been a nagger. 1958 R. K. NARAYAN Guide iii. 35 My mother was developing into a successful nagger. 1982 J. MAY Many-coloured Land (1985) II. xiv. 228 There's this little nagger in the skull that hints at horrible things happening to us if we try to escape. 1997 GQ 53/1 It is one of those naggers which keep us awake at night.

Someone who nags is a nag, a group of people who nag are nags. Naggers is not a word.Try looking up Naggers in the Oxford English Dictionary its not there. 65.125.163.221 09:24, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wheel of Fortune trivia

I think it should be noted in the trivia that the board at first is the "touch" one, that lights up blue and just requires a touch. However, when Randy solves the puzzle incorrectly, Vana turns the missing letter, which is what the old board was like. I just don't know how to word it all that correctly. 69.121.67.198 20:23, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cartman & Dr. Nelson

"Cartman always refers to Dr. Nelson as an "it", rather than "he"." This statement isn't actually true. Cartman refers to Dr. Nelson as a "he" when he says "look at how its face goes red. He's like a little strawberry!". Just thought I'd bring it up. -Sybaronde

[edit] Good morning or hello

Dr. Nelson tells the children to say hello fatso to cartman but they say good morning fatso. :-) It must be a mistake or something.

[edit] Youtube

How can this be:

Somewhat coincidentally, a video of Mr. Marsh saying "nigger" was released on Youtube and, in the week following, was one of the highest watched videos.

...when it's not the following week already?

Also: please point us to the video which is "highest watched" on youtube...

The one I saw yesterday and downloaded is now off youtube because viacom sucks and doesn't want South Park things on youtube. Nethertheless, there's more up now. I doubt it's highly viewed. But it ending up on youtube to begin with was inevitable. Toastypk 17:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

awesome! I was really lookin for the song, which was played during the fight, thanks for the article ;)

greetings from austria

[edit] Trivia

I accidentally hit the wrong button on my keyboard and submitted my edit without explaining myself, so I'll just do it here. Though the term "nigger" being used 42 times in the episode may not be too notable, the part about the closed captioning is. Thus, that item was re-added.

No reasoning was given for removing "During the Wheel of Fortune round, when the first few letters appear, they are blue and Vanna touches them to make them appear. When the A in NAGGERS pops up, however, Vanna turns the panel, a la the game's old format.", so I also added that back.

Feel free, however, to remove these again if you actually provide some good reasoning. Maged123 00:36, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Regarding trivia.. another thing: "When Randy Marsh chooses four letters for the final Wheel of Fortune round, he choose B, N, G, and O, which spell bong.". I think you could also say that Randy wants to spell the word bingo just without an i 134.99.36.64 23:50, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

No that doesnt make any sense at all

Randy's not trying to spell anything. He's requesting letters that he hopes will fill in the puzzle. That's the point of the game. Captain Infinity 01:54, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I had noticed that as well and was debating on whether it was done intentionally or not. I had added it earlier on to the trivia but someone else removed it. ArtimusClydeFrog 03:43, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I was curious at the end if the white senator was supposed to represent Ted Kennedy? anybody else?--24.174.98.215 05:34, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

On the FAQ on southparkstudios.com, they indicated that Trey did the voice of Dr. Nelson and used a helium tank to get the effect. Just wondering if anyone else thinks its worth adding. ArtimusClydeFrog 03:43, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Draws parallels to the UK Celebrity Big Brother racism controversy?

In the cultural refferences section it says:"The episode draws parallels to the international incident created by the UK Celebrity Big Brother racism controversy". What is the basis for this cliam? the big brother UK scandal to my knowledge involved an indian housemate who accused some of the other castmates disparaging her indian backround and causing her distress. it does not seem remotely related to this episode. should we relate every instance of racial discrimination to this episode? i beleive it should be removed.70.51.112.179 04:12, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

It's ok, some people just aren't very intelligent. Of course it's unrelated, I would be surprised if anybody in the States even heard of it considering how few people over here have heard of the Michael Richards incident. --JamesTheNumberless 16:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

It seems neither of you are aware that Jade Goody USED Poppadom as a racial slur, "on national television", which pissed off a lot of the British public. I don't think anyone can safely say Parker and Stone were writing with this in mind, but I don't think you can really say whoever put that up is "unintelligent". I mean, I've heard so little about the US's reaction and influence to the Danish cartoons controversy compared to any other country, but that got mentioned in a South Park episode. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cyberdude93 (talk • contribs) 19:47, 14 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Disturbed

Does anyone know what the point was of using "Down with the Sickness"? I mean, if it was a recent song, I'd understand Matt & Trey wanting to put it in there somewhere coz maybe they're fans, but we're talking about something that was released seven years ago, so I'm thinking there might be something about the song that has something to do with the story or some of the dialogue. Sure, it could be some random joke with no actual meaning, as such a thing isn't foreigh to South Park, but I'd like to know of there's an inside joke I'm missing. Any insight would be appreciated. - Ugliness Man 04:56, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Maybe they like the song. Professor Chaos 21:07, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it was used during a fight sequence in The One. That might have something to do with it. Or they've just gotten too lazy to write their own original music.Mustang6172 02:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

It's kind of amusing how desperate some people are to find meaning and cultural reference in every aspect of every South Park episode. Trivia sections are often full of such tenuous speculation, my eyes don't stop rolling for weeks. --JamesTheNumberless 16:47, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed trivia section

I have removed the trivia section, added a new "continuity errors" section and removed the following points for now:

• The episode was so controversial that it was featured on CNN. The episode is praised by some black viewers and groups for its representation of the discrimination blacks face at the hands of the N-word.
• The term "nigger" is used 42 times in the episode, all of them uncensored, except in the initial few runs' closed captioning, which changed every incidence of "nigger" to "n-word" or "n-guy", except Randy's original utterance of the word. Later runs had the captions uncensored.

Both these facts are interesting and are worthy of being put back into the article, but the first one needs some references, and needs to be more fleshed out (for instance, it would be good in a "Critical response" section) with other responses, while the second should be put somewhere else if it will go there. --El Pollo Diablo (Talk) 12:22, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

The points are errors, but not continuity errors as such. How about changing the section title to "Goofs", in line with some of the other Southpark episode articles? Ayecee 13:04, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

"The episode was so controversial" sounds like a bit of a bold claim. Yeah it caused some controversy, but it seems like you are blowing it out of proportion. ArtimusClydeFrog 01:01, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] BINGO

Who keeps adding this "BINGO" crap? Randy wasn't trying to spell Bingo, he was trying to solve the puzzle. Captain Infinity 22:52, 27 March 2007 (UTC)