User talk:23prootie

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Contents 1 Welcome 2 23 3 My RfA 4 Oprah 5 Operation Enduring Freedom - Phillipines 6 Pangasinense people‎/Pangasinan people 7 Award of The Barnstar of High Culture 8 Removing Iglesia ni Cristo from Category:Religion in the Philippines. 9 Jarai 10 Happy Birthday 11 Sulu Sultanate 12 Visayan culture != Cebuano culture (cat of Elena) 13 Eskaya 14 From Talk:Visayan-Eskaya 15 Eskaya 16 DYK 17 Smile 18 Eskayan 19 Let's vote for Mariano Trias 20 Season's greetings 21 Thank you for the wiki smile 22 Tambayan Philippines 23 Eskayan info box 24 South East Asia 25 Regarding edits made to Islamic Insurgency in the Philippines 26 ASEAN heritage sites 27 Template:European Americans 28 regarding your edits on BayanMuna 29 Edit to European Americans 30 Portal:Bohol 31 Template:Asian Americans 32 Thank You! 33 East Asia Summit 34 Your edit to Visayan languages 35 Template:WorldCurrencies

[edit] Welcome

Hello, Kumusta ka? Baka gusto mong tumambay?

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[edit] 23

Hi! Can I ask about the 23 part of your user name? My mom, I,my nephew and this guru I am interested in were all born on the 23rd of the month.It seems to be some sort of significant number.--Jondel 04:53, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

[edit] Oprah

Please explain why a Biblical passage from Judges is fitting for the Oprah Winfrey article. Perhaps it would be appropriate as a citation to explain the origin of Ms. Winfrey's name. - GilliamJF 04:45, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Operation Enduring Freedom - Phillipines

Can you please reply with why you added the globalize tag and what you feel can change its need for being there, please note the subject is specifically about the US operation and not the conflict between Phillipines and the two groups, hence the globalize tag does not seem appropriate as there is no larger scope in my opinion. However please reply with what you feel while keeping within the subject would be helpful in satisfying your views. --zero faults ^{|sockpuppets|} 17:40, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pangasinense people‎/Pangasinan people

Hi 23prootie,

I noticed you edited the Pangasinense people‎/Pangasinan people‎ data on the Ethnic Groups project. There are two diffrent articles referring to the same group. I suggested a merge, but there doesn't seem to be any interest. Thanks, Ling.Nut 12:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I suppose I could merge the pages myself, but I don't know anything about the topic. I would just be copy/pasting existing info into a single page. More importantly, I don't know whether the authors of the two pages want to merge, and moreover, I don't know which term is more common (Pangasinense people or Pangasinan).

Tks Ling.Nut 12:57, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Award of The Barnstar of High Culture

		The Barnstar of High Culture
		The Barnstar of High Culture is awarded for excellence and diligence in editing List of Religions. Awarded by Addhoc

[edit] Removing Iglesia ni Cristo from Category:Religion in the Philippines.

Why did you remove the article from the category? --LBMixPro ^{<Speak|on|it!>} 05:35, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jarai

Hi, wondering why you added category "Cham" to the Jarai page. Wouldn't that be like putting "Portuguese" in the "Spanish" category? Badagnani 19:21, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Happy Birthday

Wishing 23prootie a very happy birthday from Addhoc!

Woow ! Thanks.23prootie 03:39, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sulu Sultanate

Nice work implementing the former country infobox in the Sulu Sultanate article. For future reference, since this template is quite complicated and still under development, a detailed set of instructions for using the template are given here. Keep up the good work. - 52 Pickup 17:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

• • Thank you!!!23prootie 08:12, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Visayan culture != Cebuano culture (cat of Elena)

Bay,

Visayan culture is not the same as Cebuano culture. The latter is a subset of the former. Also, since literature falls under culture, and theater falls under literature, I think it is redundant to add Category:Visayan culture to the article. --Bentong Isles 12:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, since Cebuano culture is a subset of Visayan culture, then everything that falls under Cebuano culture must also fall under Visayan culture. I'm just populating the categories.23prootie 19:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eskaya

Just checking on the removal of Eskaya from the Template:Demographics of the Philippines? --Pinay06 02:20, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I made a new template exclusively for the Bisaya. see

The Bisaya | Binisaya
Aklanon | Boholano/Bol-anon | Butuanon | Caluyanon | Capiznon | Cebuano | Eskaya | Hiligaynon | Karay-a | Masbateño | Porohanon  | Romblomanon | Surigaonon | Waray

23prootie 02:23, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I now have doubts whethter or not the eskayans are/were Bisaya so I moved them to

Philippine tribes
Aeta | Ati | Bajau | Igorot/Cordillerano | Lumad | Mangyan | Palawan tribes

23prootie 03:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Okey. Good job! The templates have been changing a lot, though ha? Anyway, the Eskaya or Visayan-Eskaya are specifically Boholanos and Bisaya. See Visayan-Eskaya. --Pinay06 03:20, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] From Talk:Visayan-Eskaya

Hi, the Visayan-Eskaya and Eskaya articles will be merged soon. With regards to the Bisaya vs tribes template, I personally view the Eskaya as a subgroup of Bisaya and not strictly speaking in the same category as other 'highlander' minority groups of the Philippines. However, there are plenty who would dispute this. In conclusion, I think you could get away with putting them in either category. The Eskaya are just one of those ambiguous ones. 58.7.140.252 04:49, 12 December 2006 (UTC)PerezKelly posted here by --Pinay06 05:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eskaya

Please respect the tag:inuse. I was on a major overhaul and your edit cost me some time of work! Refer to:[1] & [2] --Pinay06 19:42, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry.

I forgot to ask, now what was it that you wanted to change in the article when I was doing the overhaul? You can place it in Talk:Eskaya or in my user talk, either way is fine. Thank you for the desire to contribute. --Pinay06|Talk|Email 22:14, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

On December 13, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Aklanon, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks very much 23prootie for creating this interesting article which was nominated kindly by GeeJo. Feel free to self-nom in future, like the majority of entries. Keep up the great work on the people of Phillipines Philippines! Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Smile

[edit] Eskayan

Hi! Is it possible for you to help me with the infobox for Eskayan? Thanks. Please let me know your response, positive or otherwise, in my talk page. --Pinay06|talk 20:41, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Let's vote for Mariano Trias

Hey there 23prootie! I would like to ask for your vote for the article of Mariano Trias in Wikipedia's Article Creation and Improvement Drive. It's nearing it's deadest deadline.

I believe that this article still needs a bit of clean-up and expansion. I hope you would vote for the article in this link as soon as possible.

Thanks a lot!!! ---- Kevin Ray 13:59, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Season's greetings

Merry Christmas!!! The real meaning of Christmas is thisand this...--Pinay06 (Talk•Email) 04:49, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Also enjoy this and this --Pinay06 (Talk•Email) 04:54, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you for the wiki smile

Hey...Can you help me with the infobox for Eskayan? Salamat... --Pinay (talk•email) 20:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Salamat 'day ha? Buotan ka...--Ate Pinay (talk•email) 23:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Welcome! :)23prootie 23:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tambayan Philippines

Baka gusto mo ring tumambay sa WP:PINOY at maki-tsika sa WT:PINOY. Kita tayo doon? --Pinay (talk•email) 23:37, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eskayan info box

Hi there, the Eskayan info box looks great but unfortunately it doesn't work
- There is not yet any available information on the number of speakers. My own personal estimation is less than fifty but this is not an official figure.
-While Eskayan is a speech variety of Cebuano it cannot be classed as Cebuano via Austronesian, Malayo-polynesian, Meso Philippine etc. This is partly because according to conventional methodologies the genetics of a language are framed primarily through lexical comparison, not grammatical comparison. These classifications emerged from the discipline of historical linguistics which is about finding out the origins of languages. Eskayan most likely emerged in situ for a specific purpose and derived its structure but not vocab from Cebuano. It's a complicated state of affairs. Suffice to say, the Eskayan is like Frankenstein's monster: It has no parents and its various parts were intentionally stitched together from other places.
I suggest you take it down before an outraged historical linguist (like Dalubwika) does it for you!
Thanks for the thought though! Perezkelly

[edit] South East Asia

I am about to revert your recent changes to South East Asia. Such a blanking should be explained. If you have a valid reason, an edit summary would make it unnecessary for other editors to contact you. thanks Merbabu 14:00, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

hmmm - then the info should be removed - not hidden. Except, i don't believe that it is cluttered. Although if it is indeed cluttered, I don't mean to cause offence, i think these edits [3] do not reduce any apparent "clutter". I will have a closer look though. regards Merbabu 14:14, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

PS, no matter what the reasons for your changes, please use the edit summary so other editors know what you are intending. It's standard WP protocol. thanks Merbabu 14:16, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Fine, I guess.–23prootie 14:24, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I saw your recent edits have removed a lot of contents. Do you have any reasoning for that? — Indon (reply) — 14:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I have opened your hiddent comments back. It's okay, no need to apology. I know you were acting it in a good faith. How about copyediting one by one? Remove small unecessary details, but keep good written content as it is. If I had to compare with East Asia, then East Asia article is not a good wikipedia article. The content is not enough. Southeast Asia article (I've never edited this article), in my view, is already good with written descriptions about Culture, Geography, Religion, Politics, etc. However, it still needs a lot of copyediting. So, would you like to go for it? Good luck! :-) — Indon (reply) — 14:41, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. :)23prootie 14:52, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding edits made to Islamic Insurgency in the Philippines

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Oh, you mean [http://www.example.com/ link title]. Believe me, it's not affiliated with me in any way.--23prootie 02:28, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ASEAN heritage sites

On what basis are you adding Borobudur, Prambanan, Angkor, etc.? They are not listed at the ASEAN site here: [4] (MichaelJLowe 04:00, 7 February 2007 (UTC))

Ooops, I think I'll remove them.--23prootie 04:03, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. It would be great if you could also get the category renamed to ASEAN Heritage Parks as per [5] (MichaelJLowe 04:14, 7 February 2007 (UTC))

Wel, I'm sorry cause I don't know how to move a Category.--23prootie 04:25, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I think it's better to create a new one--23prootie 04:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

The process for renaming categories is here: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion (MichaelJLowe 04:38, 7 February 2007 (UTC))

Thanks :)! --23prootie 05:33, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:European Americans

I am confused as to why you deleted Bosnian-Americans and Maltese-Americans and why you added Canadian, Cajun, Pennsylvania Dutch, Amerasian, Melungeon, Louisiana Creole, and Redbone. If you would please explain your reasoning on the discussion page of the template so that everyone is aware of why you made the changes it would be very helpful. In my personal opinion a European American has nothing to do with Canadians, Cajun, Louisiana Creole, Mungeon, or Redbone because all of these are not "fully european" they are mostly mixtures or ethnic groups. Refer to the European American ancestries map for insight as to which groups should be added to the template.--Joebengo 04:21, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and revised it but there is still doubt whether some of the "others" should be on the list, I'll work on it when I can.--Joebengo 04:34, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

According to the sourced heading of the article [[European American]s

Qoute:

• A European American, or a Euro-American, is a person who resides in the United States and is either the descendant of European immigrants or from Europe him or herself.

I think the word descendant is enough reason to include them.––23prootie 18:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] regarding your edits on BayanMuna

It is important to note that I did not say Filipinos were lazy and inefficient. I said Bayan Muna's policies make it more beneficial for a worker to be lazy and inefficient through rent-seeking behavior. And to prove the point that Bayan's claims of exploitation and the poor being worsed off under a capitalist system one must compare with other countries under such a system. I admit the it wasn't as encyclopeadic as I hoped. But removing the idea of rent-seeking behavior promoted by Bayan Muna is too much. Inflation is just one factor. For an illustration of how increasing wages w/o regard to worker productivity causes inflation go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gloria_Macapagal-Arroyo#RXN_to_peoplestruth.2C_though_this_is_not_the_right_place

May I ask, have you finished college? (you're 19 but it's possible). Because the issues I have raised are very much connected in an economic sense. I didn't want to have to explain all the forces and theories behind the ideas I wrote; because it is an article on Bayan/Bayan Muna and not an economics article. Which is why I had links to economic concepts so the reader could put 2 and 2 together. Your history of pages edited do not indicate an understanding of economics. If it is unclear and seems biased to you I'm willing to edit. But please put your objections on the discussion page. Responsiblebum 08:00, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

You could revert it if you want but you should really make it encyclopeadic since you said it yourself, it's not. And btw, i does not matter whether I have finished college or not, becuase its not about me.—23prootie 14:05, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Can you be more specific when you say it is unencyclopeadic. When I say it isn't as much as i hoped, it didn't mean it was completely unencyclopeadic. Regarding whether you finished college or not, I need to know so I have an inkling where you're coming from. Or at least whether you took basic economics. Responsiblebum 14:53, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, before I edited it, I think the whole article is unencyclopeadic. While it did provide sources, the article as a whole portrayed a "negative" bias, specifically poiltical bias, against Bayan Muna. As for my educationaol attainment, why do you need to knw it? If your going to explain something just do it. You don't have to harass me.—–23prootie 15:21, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit to European Americans

Your edit to European Americans can be seen as POV pushing and can be reverted, be sure to explain yourself when making such edits.--Joebengo 02:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I'll take it to the talk page next time.--23prootie 03:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

And I think you mean this article at the bottom not that article.--23prootie 03:20, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

v • d • e European Americans
North European	British · Danish · English · Estonian · Faroese · Finnish · Icelandic · Irish · Latvian · Lithuanian · Norwegian · Scots-Irish · Scottish · Swedish · Welsh
West European	Austrian · Belgian · Dutch · French · German · Luxembourg · Swiss
East European	Armenian · Azerbaijani · Belarusian · Bulgarian · Czech · Georgian · Hungarian · Romanian · Russian · Polish · Slovak · Ukrainian
South European	Albanian · Basque · Bosnian · Croatian · Cypriot · Greek · Italian (Sicilian) · Macedonian · Maltese · Montenegrin · Portuguese · Serbian · Slovenian · Spanish · Turkish

You know waht, It's fine if you don't want to include them but that would self contradict the article.--23prootie 03:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I meant that the primary language for European Americans was and is first and foremost English, German, French etc. The fact that Spanish is widely spoken is the US has no bearing for the languages spoken by the European Americans. That was my point. It had nothing to do with Mexicans. Spanish speakering Americans originally from Europe is way too little compared to German, French, Scandinavian and Anglo-Saxon Americans.. Baristarim 03:53, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, i get it. sorry about that, you can revert it if you want.--23prootie 03:55, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Portal:Bohol

I hope you know what you are doing! Please restore if you don't! --Ate Pinay (talk•email) 02:23, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

May I ask that you stop doing some edits for now because the portal is just being launched in Bohol right now. Give the people time to savor the portal...Do your edits next week! --Ate Pinay (talk•email) 03:02, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Asian Americans

I reverted your change to the template. Please discuss your changes on the talk page so we can arrive at consensus. Thank you! --Ishu 18:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank You!

I would like to thank you for the recent edits you have done on ASEAN. The article is currently under going a GA review, and I am sure that your contributions will help the article to achieve that status and standard. The work you have done is hence greatly appreciated. Ariedartin JECJY ^Talk 15:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

--Wow!!!! Your welcome. ^_^ ---23prootie 15:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Your kindest efforts have been well-appreciated. The article has passed the review, and achieved that coveted status of GA! Once more, I would like to thank you for helping out in this process, and would like to encourage to contribute yet more in the future. Thank you! Ariedartin JECJY ^Talk 08:56, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] East Asia Summit

Hello you have added back in references to Timor Leste attending the 2nd EAS. I had removed them (but said why on the discussion page for the East Asia Summit) as I cannot find any source that states Timor Leste was in Cebu for the EAS. I agree Timor Leste is an applicant (and will join) ASEAN and was in Cebu (2 days before the EAS) to sign the TAC but I have not seen any report that Timor Leste was at the EAS proper. Can we review this on the discussion page for the East Asia Summit? Thank you --202.4.78.29 03:47, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit to Visayan languages

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I reverted your edit, too. Not all Visayan language are called Binisaya. And Binisaya is not a term used in English, Visayan is. It's like moving French language to Langue française or something. --Chris S. 12:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:WorldCurrencies

I recently noticed the changes you made to the world currencies templates. I think that the templates were better before the changes. I have tried to find an explanation on the talk page, but don't see it. I'm tempted to roll-back the changes, but wanted to invite you to explain your reasoning first (or point me to where you've discussed it previously, if you have). I've explained why I think the old way was better here. Ingrid 04:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)