Talk:Afro-Brazilian
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the information about african brazilians are diveded into little pieces around wikipedia..
i think bring all together in one plase is a good think.
i started this article after i tried to find information about african brazilian.. and i have to go in various pages of many diferent subjects
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I agree. The material is fine but it should be in Afro-Latin American. Please cast your vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Afro-Brazilian, SqueakBox 15:51, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
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famous afro brazilians , Origins , Comunnities, Culture
[edit] origins
The Africans , brought to brasil belonged to two major groups : the sudan people and the bantu people . The first, generaly were of high stature and more elaborated culture , were send in large scale to bahia. the bantus , natives from angola and Mozambique , were send in large scale to rio de janeiro , minas gerais, and northeast zona da mata.
Os negros, trazidos para o Brasil pertenciam a dois grandes grupos: os sudaneses e os bantos. Os primeiros, geralmente altos e de cultura mais elaborada, foram sobretudo para a Bahia. Os bantos, originários de Angola e Moçambique, predominaram na zona da mata nordestina, no Rio de Janeiro e em Minas Gerais.
[edit] Scope of article
From the current revision of the article:
- Afro-Brazilian is the term used to racially categorise Brazilian citizens of some or full Black African origin.
Where/by whom is that term used as such? In Brazil, as far as I know, "Afro-Brasileiro" is mostly used as an adjective relating to Brazilian cultural manifestations with African roots (e.g. Candomblé, Capoeira, etc), not as a racial term used to describe black people -- the word "negro" being the word currently en vogue, seen as politically correct and probably most commonly used for that.
Of course, English Wikipedia is concerned with the English meaning and usage of words, and therefore this article should contain information related to what "Afro-Brazilian" means and is used for in English; but I also don't see this expression used in English as meaning "Black Brazilian". If in fact it is not, then the article should be rewritten in order to remove that.
And, of course, editors should keep in mind that notions of race in Brazil are considerably different from those in English-speaking North America (and probably from those in most other English-speaking cultures). I say that because someone that an USer may consider black (or "Afro-Brazilian") may not at all be considered so in Brazil. I suspect that the inclusion of such names as Zeca Pagodinho in the article may be a symptom of that. What is said in the sentence above, that the term is used in regards to individuals of "some or full" black ancestry, if taken literally would mean that most Brazilians would be considered "Afro-Brazilians", when in fact in most of the cases the fraction of black African ancestry would be relatively fairly small, and often not visually noticeable. --Cotoco 19:47, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree. What do you propose we do about it? SqueakBox 01:58, 29 May 2006 (UTC) Wikipedia has Sonia Braga listed as Afro Brazilian as well even though most Brazilians and I am pretty sure most people in general if they saw her would not consider her to be black
First sentence of this article: "Afro-Brazilian or African Brazilian is the term used to racially categorise Brazilian citizens of some or full Black African origin, yet it is rarely used in Brazil." - Obvious question, "Well then, who the heck is it used by?" -- Writtenonsand 21:05, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Pelé
His absence from this article was glaring, SqueakBox 00:43, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] False information! Delete!
This article needs to be deleted. I don't care for the way inwhich Amercians on wiki make up terms, or instruct others on how their culture functions, or how it should function. According to this so called bias, fee encyclopedia one would think every country in the world is a racist as the, modern utopia of the west(USA). This articles need to be deleted or changed!
--Margrave1206 21:46, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Branco, an Afro-Brazilian?
Guess that is inaccurate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.58.223.250 (talk) 02:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC).
"Pardo" is an Brazilian mestizo (mestiço). White x Amerindian, Black x White, etc. All pardos don't a black ancestry. Brazlian black population is 11 million of persons. This article don't have a neutral point of view. --201.19.167.208 19:05, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
