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[edit] Vandalism

Someone is vandalizing the picture, and someone else is replacing the cartoon with a supersized picture. I'm still a newbie when it comes to editing pictures, but I'll try to sort it out. Zora 23:18, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Khomeini

I think his last name is spelled wrong, it should be خمینی right? Vpendse 03:09, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

NO, khomeini is another Ayatollah, precedent to Khamenei. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.82.106.136 (talk • contribs) 01:47, 5 January 2006 (UTC).

Actually I think it should be Kha.me.neh.ei خامنه‌ای

Khameneh (خامنه) is a town in Iran and the "ei ‌ای" at the end in farsi indicates that a person is from that town. Kiumars 12:45, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Abadan crisis

Ideleted some of the section about Abadan crisis and Mosaddegh, Khamanei was a youngster at that time and was not involved in politics at all. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.82.106.136 (talk • contribs) 01:47, 5 January 2006 (UTC).

[edit] NPOV dispute

[edit] Unreadable, unsigned nonsense

who says the allegations are false?

You wrote: "In recent years, there have been false allegations by the United States and Israel that he has been supporting a covert nuclear weapons development project in Iran as a response to the nuclear weapons possessed by Israel and the United States." The word "false" is not a fact and instead betrays the author's bias regarding the issue. Also, this page is extremely lacking for the leader of such a controversial government who has been in office since the 1980s. I'm wondering what was left out and why. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 147.129.20.101 (talk • contribs) 16:27, 3 February 2006 (UTC).

I'm sorry, but this article is basically a bull-shit fluff piece on Khamenei. See the aforementioned nuclear claims. The previous paragraph in the article is blatantly POV. There is no criticism whatsoever of the leader of a nation which routinely persecutes its religious minorities (see Bahai for examples). Quite frankly, this article needs a complete rewrite, and someone who has the time to watch over it and make sure that it doesn't turn into this kind of absolute crap again. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.116.28.180 (talk • contribs) 06:03, 4 February 2006 (UTC).

Why don't you make a page like you did for Ahmadinejad - "Controversies surrounding Mahmoud Ahmadinejad" If you want to grind your ax - that would be an appropriate place! And please, take your arrogance with you! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.214.51.9 (talk • contribs) 16:38, 8 February 2006 (UTC).

I have changed the page in several occasions but someone keep writting crap like "Great leader, martyr...blah blah blah"; Fascist Islamic idiots. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dj skazi (talk • contribs) 19:35, 8 February 2006 (UTC).

Cite your sources. --M @r ē ino 20:05, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Real stuff

My last revert was made in haste on my part. I misread it as though the article had been reverted to the previous "managed Iran's afairs with great skill" instead of to "Managed Irans affairs", which is certainly not POV. However, the current dispute between Khamanei's government and International community with respect to nuclear proliferation should be at least aknowledged. Having the section on his fatwa against nuvlear weapons and not the controversy is a complete non-sequitor. It should also be noted that the text of the fatwa has not been released. Someone reading the article without that paragraph would go away believing Khamanei was a completely uncontroversial ruler of Iran. That is far from the truth. It would be like an article on Bush's presidency without mention of the Iraq War. Clearly absurd. Thus the omision is POV 129.116.28.180 23:44, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I looked at the article, and there's already some material about his connection to the nuclear issue (without sources). I'm not sure if more could be said. There's very little known about the inside politics of Iran. There's also no evidence that Khamenei is behind the nuclear program. Most believe it's former president Rafsanjani. But if you want to add new information to the article, you can do that - just cite your sources. Otherwise I'd have to take down the POV tag. Aucaman^Talk 01:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: .. the text of the fatwa has not been released.

Fatwa does not need to be in writing! He said it on the TV and that is enough and recorded.

Kiumars 12:58, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

>> AucamanTalk; What the hell? "You" have been vandalizing Wikipedia not me. Block me i don't care but before that i need to know what part of my article was wrong or better say "You" didn't like? You obviously have no clue whatsoever about what is going on inside Iran or who is in charge of nuclear research. How many articles do i have to show you in which, clearly indicate the Real hands behind the nuclear project in Iran? Beside, what is said about Khamenei is pure propaganda (even a kid can understand that)

also it seems you don't care if fake Information is replaced with real one here in WikiPedia.

One more question and i know it will definitely make problems for me but i have to know, Does "Somebody" pay you to keep that specific article nice and clean? Just wondering. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dj skazi (talk • contribs) 07:40, 9 February 2006 (UTC).

Well, let's look at some of your edits:

This : Wells this is clear nonsense. Do you have proof for any of these claims?
This : Again, nonsense. If he had issued such a Fatwa we would know about it by now.

Also, you're supposed to sign your posts. Now only do you not sign them, you have removed your forced signiture once.

But it seems like you're a reasonable person. I encourage you to make good edits. See Wikipedia:sign your posts and Wikipedia:Civility. When adding new information, you need to provide evidence for you claims. And no, I did not revert your edits. See Wikipedia:Assume good faith. Aucaman^Talk 09:31, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Update

This is the sentence under question:

"In recent years, there have been strong allegations by the United States and IAEA that he has been supporting a covert nuclear weapons development project in Iran."

No sources were provided, so I'm going to take this out. Most people don't accuse Khamenei as a person of trying to build nuclear weapons. I'm also taking off the NPOV tag since the discussion were not pursuit. Aucaman^Talk 06:27, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Birthplace

Imam Khamenei (HA) was not born in East Azerbaijan. He was born in Mashhad according to his official biographies. I've heard he's Azeri, but not from offical sources.

"On 18th April 1939, a few months before the outbreak of World War II, the future leader of Islamic Iran was born in the holy city of Mashhad, Khorasan."

http://www.khamenei.ir/EN/Biography/index.jsp

رهبر عاليقدر حضرت آيت الله سيد على خامنه‌ای فرزند مرحوم حجت الاسلام والمسلمين حاج سيد جواد حسينى خامنه‌ای ، در روز 24 تيرماه 1318 برابر با 28 صفر 1358 قمرى در مشهد مقدس چشم به دنيا گشود

http://www.khamenei.ir/FA/Biography/index.jsp

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ali Mahdi (talk • contribs) 01:39, 13 April 2006 (UTC).

Fixed. Aucaman^Talk 02:21, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Representative of IMAM MAHDI(as)

SALAM ALEIKUM! Wilayate Faqih Ayatollah Khamenei is the representative of IMAM MAHDI (May ALLAH fasten his return) he is the only true Muslim leader. Every real MOMIN must support him and pray for him. HEZBE FEQAT HEZBE ALI, RAHBARE FEQAT SAYEDE ALI! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.170.138.234 (talk • contribs) 20:43, 9 January 2006 (UTC).

Wafa Sultan has stated that Islam in its pure form is terrorism.--Patchouli 08:43, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] He Represents Islam today

Ayatollah Khamenei is a leader of MOMININ durring the absence of IMAM MAHDI (May ALLAH fasten his return) May ALLAH grant him health. All who oppose the rule of Wilayate Faqih should better study authentic Islamic sources and not listen to propoganda on CNN. Most Iranian support Islamic system, the election of Ahmedinejad prooves it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.123.220.62 (talk • contribs) 10:43, 3 May 2006 (UTC).

The Islamic regime machine guns make things right? He is the leader by sheer force.--Patchouli 03:26, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

“

Today, the Islamic Republic of Iran is the standard-bearer of the real Islam and the only country resisting the enemies of Islam.

”

--Djiboutian President Ismail Omar Guelleh, http://www.khamenei.ir/EN/News/detail.jsp?id=20060905A

--Patchouli 01:27, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Right hand

I removed the phrase "losing his right hand" here at [1] - in the picture, I can see both hands. Could someone clarify what this was intended to mean? --HappyCamper 00:01, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

His arm was actually badly damaged in the blast and the nerve system in his arm was destroyed. He cannot move his arm and hand. Kiumars 13:07, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] taking out the "ethnic azeri" part

i am taking out the part that says he was an ethnic azeri. although it is true, it is uneccessary, because at the end of the day he is iranian. mossadegh and others are also listed as iranians. their ethnic background means nothing, both in history and in reality. khamenei has pointed out many times that he is iranian and iranian only. if someone were to write my biography, i would also want it to be iranian, and not persian, because i am iranian and only iranian. i am not doing this for political reasons, i am doing this because i feel that his nationality is the only thing that matters and same goes for all other people in modern times.

for example, bill clinton's article doesnt say "ethnic englishman" and queen elizabeths article doesnt say "ethnic norman" etc....Iranian Patriot 02:06, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I guess I see what you're saying. I'll move the info to "Early live". —Khoikhoi 02:32, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, its much better now.Iranian Patriot 03:22, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

What is the point in these three references? Born to an Azeri[1] [2] [3] family…

Is there any correlation between him being born to Azeri parents and the Iran & the Rep of Azerbaijan relations? Are we politicizing something? Is that what wiki stands for? Kiumars 13:37, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] speclated?

not sure what is trying to be put across here

Although Khamenei wields the greatest religious and political power of anyone in Iran, he is speclated by the Assembly of Experts which is itself elected by the people.

--Xorkl000 14:47, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I cannot even find “speclated” in the oxford dictionary! Is that an English word? Kiumars 13:24, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

"Speclated" was most likely intended to be "speculated", though it doesn't quite make sense in context. Accordingly, I replaced it with "elected." Thomas Facchine 01:15, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anti-zionist allegations

Though I don't necessarily doubt what is claimed, there is no conclusive source behind the claim: "On the 2000 al-Quds Day Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei called for the destruction of Israel, as Khomeini had done before.[1]:

The note leads to a CNN article on New Years' celebrations. For such serious claims against two high-ranking leaders, I would hope that someone could at least come up with a decent source. If I find one, I'll edit.

Thomas Facchine 01:20, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

--Patchouli 04:56, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Translations of Qutb

Anyone out there with information on his translations of Sayyid Qutb into Farsi? Links to or excerpts of the translations? Thanks. Adam Holland 20:42, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Islamism, fascism and terrorism (Part 3) confirms that Ali Khamenei translated the book from Arabic into Persian.--Patchouli 05:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Remembering Sayyid Qutb, an Islamic intellectual and leader of rare insight and integrity.--Patchouli 15:16, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Motanzeri

I removed the following line.

"Montazeri's words were so outrageous that even the reformist president of the time Khatami did not declare any response or attention to them."

Khatami's lack of response to Montazeri's comments might be relevant, but the claim that the words were "outrageous" is certainly not a neutral point of view... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.129.43.187 (talk • contribs) 05:25, 25 August 2006 (UTC).

[edit] What "gangland-style murders"?

I removed this paragraph fragment which followed the first sentence in the "Ali Khamenei and violation of Human rights" section:

"Presiding Judge Frithjof Kubsch said the men had no personal motive but were following orders. Without naming names, Kubsch said the gangland-style murders had been ordered by Iran's Committee for Special Operations, to which Iran's president and spiritual leader belonged. Prosecutors had contended that Iran's powerful spiritual leader, , and Iranian President Hashemi Rafsanjani had personally ordered the killings."

There is no previous mention of murders, men with motives, etc. The double comma was as you see it also. Perhaps if I were to search back I would find the original version of this paragraph which may have been significant and may have been shredded by someone who disagreed with it, but in any case it is unintelligible as it stands. Blanchette 03:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Encyclopedia format?

In the first paragraph: He is part of the United States target for Terrorists. He is now largely hated by his own people. I understand that many people feel this way, in Iran and throughout the world, and I'm not questioning anyone's beliefs/motives, but this is still an encyclopedia, and should therefore function and be worded as such. The sentences quoted above should be placed in areas of the article that deal with those issues, and sources need to be cited. I realize that this is largely common knowledge, but it is still an encyclopedia regardless. And no matter what the opinion/situation is, everything in an encyclopedia should be phrased with a neutral point of view, as encyclopedias function to state factual information. Just my $0.02. And just for the record, no, I do not support the Ayatollah regime.San Diego, California, USA 03:21, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Khamenei and Patchouli

User:Patchouli has an intense desire to include list of dictators in the article, while no consensus has been reached on that list with regard to Khamenei. Please participate in the discussions on that article with regard to Khamenei, before further editing this page. --Gerash77 21:15, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

He is ranked among the worst dictators, not just any dictator.--Patchouli 19:39, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Based on the definition of dictator, Ali Khamenei is not a dictator. A better way to describe his position is: the leader of an oligarchy. He does not hold all power, which is why he cannot be defined as a dictator. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bagehi (talk • contribs) 00:14, 20 February 2007 (UTC).

Patchouli is a hate monger and is trying to use wikipedia to bring the shah back to Iran. Idiot, I know.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 137.186.245.199 (talk • contribs).

No, I want to expose totalitarianism.--Patchouli 11:23, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Even-though I have disagreed with you on many issues, I am starting to think you are right on this one. Khamenei isn't allowing Iran's democratically-elected President, Dr. Ahmadinejad to run his foreign policy as he desires. I think Khamenei is forcing inaction, conservatism and soft-approach onto the President and Majlis.--Gerash77 01:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

And khamenei is an azeri. the fact that it doesn't fit well with your "Persian dictator of in Iran" idealogy wouldn't make it wrong. it is "easy to verify", (unlike the so-called holo...) [2][3] [4] and your favorite "source": [5] --Gerash77 03:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Khamenei Considers War a Virtue, and Stirs Up the Masses In Favor Of It.--Patchouli 09:16, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

That is an opinion statement by some random academic, not objective research. Anyone can editorialize. The Behnam 19:05, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

It is a valid conclusion formed on the basis of Khamenei's words and actions.--Patchouli 20:36, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, you just sound soooo confident asserting your opinion that I am completey convinced that it should receive undue weight in this article, despite lacking any reasoning for its validity. Well, actually, I am not convinced, so you will have to persuade me and others that it is valid to include editorial conclusions as facts in the article. The Behnam 20:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

We should not dismiss every well-thought analysis as worthless opinion.--Patchouli 21:56, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

True. It can be used, but with proper weight and presentation. We aren't aimed at convincing the reader that the academic is correct or incorrect, just what his opinion is. This of course assumes he is significant enough to receive mention. I am just worried about weight. For example, adding that "nickname" thing to the Iran article was a serious undue weight issue, and was presented in a much too factual manner. Though I found it provocative, I will assume good faith this time. Let's avoid undue weight issues here too. The Behnam 01:49, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Threat against peaceful demonstrators

Maybe someone should put in somewhere that he runs the basij that shuts down any protests with violence --Fgol142.104.148.59 20:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

It is well documented at Iran: Dangerous Paramilitary Threat.--Patchouli 04:14, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] jumping the gun on death

There's a single blog report that he died, with no mainstream media confirmation. If there are no objections, I will remove this until there's a reliable source (no, blogs don't count). --Delirium 00:06, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Suspect you might find yourself needing to protect the page shortly, LGF have already posted the story and a link here. Richard Gadsden 00:12, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I've been following the dead/not dead row with some bemusement - the page seems to change every time I refresh. Might it not make sense to include (a least for now) a compromise sentence such as: 'As of january 5 2007, rumours of Khamenei's death the previous day had not been verified'? I am told that he is in all probability dead - but that so far all the information coming out of Iran is from a single source, which though reliable is as yet uncorroborated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wassmus (talk • contribs).

Yeah, I think if people can dig up some mainstream-media commentary on it that'd make sense. Has someone like the BBC or New York Times or somebody reported on the rumors? If so, we could cite them. --Delirium 07:50, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Hardly dead. He made a speech last Monday. I hope this matter is over for now. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/09/world/middleeast/09iran.html?_r=1&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fPeople%2fK%2fKhamenei%2c%20Ali&oref=slogin

[edit] World’s 10 Worst Dictators

Patchouli, this is unencyclopedic trivia. Many magazines call Bush or Blair all sorts of things, but you don't see stuff like this in their aticles. Please don't re-add this info. Khoikhoi 03:51, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Parade gives reasons one of which is the same as that given by the Committee to Protect Journalists.--Patchouli 04:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Iran was facing a stark choice between democracy and dictatorship. The letter was posted on two Iranian websites, but was removed by the authorities after 24 hours.--Patchouli 04:47, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

"gives reasons one of which is the same as that given by the Committee to Protect Journalists."

That its self ^ means nothing you need reliable sources. Nareklm 04:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

World’s 10 Worst Dictators in 2007 --Patchouli 04:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Read also ISBN 0275982149 --Patchouli 04:54, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Look Patchouli this is not encyclopedic material. What makes a dictator? How do you accuse Khamenei of being a dictator? Iran has a democratically elected President & Parliament. They pass all the bills & laws of the country. How often does Khamenei play a part or influence this process? Show me proof that he's had a significant hand in implementing laws & bills, then we'll dicuss that "Parade" article. (Which just seems to be based on no evidence, just something to fill their magazine pages.)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 137.186.245.199 (talk • contribs).

Why the heck does Khamenei not go to a mosque? He is the military general of the country. He formulates the nuclear policy. He is behind the religious police. He is the source of problems in Iran like rising inflation, in Iraq with his Qods Force, in Lebanon with Hezbollah, in Palestinian terrorories with Hamas. He is the main reason mullah are in government. He is the one person with the power to end Islamic totalitarianism. He uses the nations revenues to build mosques endlessly and subsidize Islam.--Patchouli 06:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Crimes conducted under his responsiblity

Here is the list of some of the dissidents that were tortured, murdered or executed under his responsibilty:

Dariush Forouhar (by Ministry of Intelligence)
Parvaneh Eskandari (by Ministry of Intelligence)
Mohammad Jafar Pooyandeh (by Ministry of Intelligence)
Mohammad Mokhtari (by Ministry of Intelligence)
Zahra Kazemi (by Judiciary system)
Majid Sharif (by Ministry of Intelligence)
Akbar Mohammadi (by Judiciary system)
Ferydoun Farokhzad (by Ministry of Intelligence)
Dr. Reza Mazlooman (by Ministry of Intelligence)
Dr. Mozafar Baghaei (by Ministry of Intelligence)
Piruz Davani (by Ministry of Intelligence)
Dr. Sadeq Sharafkandi (by Ministry of Intelligence)
Dr. Abdul Rahman Ghassemlou (by Ministry of Intelligence)
Dr. Kazem Sami (by Ministry of Intelligence)
Ali Akbar Saidi Sirjani (by Ministry of Intelligence)
Mozafar Baghaei (by Ministry of Intelligence)
Saeed Hajjarian (by Basij, a branch of Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps)
Ezzat Ebrahim-Nejad, (by security forces and Basij)

This was removed.--Patchouli 07:57, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Do you have any reliable references? Nareklm 07:59, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

It was under his watch.--Patchouli 07:59, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Do you have any reliable sources that say that Khamenei was personally responsible for the well being of these persons, and that these persons were tortured/executed. Furthermore, do you have reliable sources that call all of these actions "crimes".Bless sins 15:44, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Most of the above individuals, if not all, were secularists and thus enemies of Islam who wanted to oppose the Islamic Republic. I do know that Ghorbanali Dorri-Najafabadi who was implicated with the Chain Murders of Iran joined the List of current Iranian Friday prayers Imams. Khamenei appointed him as a Friday prayer leader.--Patchouli 17:01, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

as a supreme leader he is responsible for every thing done in this country.

like a CEO of a company responsible for all policies of its company, or a general held responsible for actions of its soldiers.

This is your opinion. A leader can't change everything in a country like a CEO in a large company. Hessam 19:55, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Article 110 of the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran is not an opinion.--Patchouli 03:37, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Here is article 110 for reference:

Article 110 Following are the duties and powers of the Leadership:

1.Delineation of the general policies of the Islamic Republic of Iran after consultation with the Nation's Exigency Council. 2.Supervision over the proper execution of the general policies of the system. 3.Issuing decrees for national referenda. 4.Assuming supreme command of the armed forces. 5.Declaration of war and peace, and the mobilization of the armed forces. 6.Appointment, dismissal, and acceptance of resignation of: 1.the fuqaha' on the Guardian Council. 2.the supreme judicial authority of the country. 3.the head of the radio and television network of the Islamic Republic of Iran. 4.the chief of the joint staff. 5.the chief commander of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps. 6.the supreme commanders of the armed forces. 7.Resolving differences between the three wings of the armed forces and regulation of their relations. 8.Resolving the problems, which cannot be solved by conventional methods, through the Nation's Exigency Council. 9.Signing the decree formalizing the election of the President of the Republic by the people. The suitability of candidates for the Presidency of the Republic, with respect to the qualifications specified in the Constitution, must be confirmed before elections take place by the Guardian Council;, and, in the case of the first term [of the Presidency], by the Leadership; 10.Dismissal of the' President of the Republic, with due regard for the interests of the country, after the Supreme Court holds him guilty of the violation of his constitutional duties, or after a vote of the Islamic Consultative Assembly testifying to his incompetence on the basis of Article 89 of the Constitution. 11.Pardoning or reducing the sentences of convicts, within the framework of Islamic criteria, on a recommendation [to that effect] from the Head of judicial power. The Leader may delegate part of his duties and powers to another person.

--Blue Tie 08:22, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Independent media

Excerpts from Ali Khamenei's 20 April 2000 speech denouncing the independent media.--Patchouli 04:19, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Political parties

Here is another totalitarian tendency of Ali Khamenei and his cohorts.

There is a multi-party system, yet the mullahs decide who runs for the puppet positions.--Patchouli 04:56, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

These kind of strong POV-revealing statements on the article talk page, in addition to your contribs, are the kind of things that make me worry you may not be seeking to present topics neutrally in the articles. Never forget that the articles are supposed to be neutral. Putting personal POV to the side is part of the challenge, but necessary for the project to function correctly. The Behnam 01:55, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Opposition websites cannot be accessed from inside Iran especially the secular ones. Ali Khamenei is the main individual responsible for this along with other mullahs and their stooges.--Patchouli 02:11, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I have also noticed that the only criticism inside of Iran comes from Islamic reformers — no secularists in Iran. They want to flush Islam down people's throats and then assert "The law comes from the people" and that "people" want Islam.--Patchouli 02:20, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

According to that site, some groups cannot be accessed, such as faithfreedom.org. Your own little bit is saying that Khamenei is the main individual responsible for this. True or not, your source doesn't say this. It doesn't mention his "stooges" either. The Behnam 02:25, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I am entitled to a wide range of vocabulary; I don't need to link every word to somewhere on the Web.--Patchouli 02:38, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

lol, you are 'entitled' to use a wide range of vocabulary, like "stooges", which has a very negative connotation. At least here on the talk page, where you have let your strong POV run wild. Anyway, while you don't have link every 'word', you do have to link assertions. Your link didn't blame Khamanei at all, much less call him the main individual. Even if you find somebody who says that, it ain't gonna receive undue weight and be presented as some fact even though it is opinion. The Behnam 02:49, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POV Rally

Cut it out Patchouli. You keep rallying POV evidence with OR interpretations. It is really really difficult to AGF toward you and your possible edits of the page considering this kind of rallying of biased information (not to mention your contribs). WP is not the place for biased articles. The Behnam 02:28, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I am convinced that in spite of government-organized demonstrations, many Iranian people puke when they see hear word "Islam" and "mullah"[6]. Due to lack of press freedom and Islamic totalitarianism such sentiments cannot be openly articulated.

Not all Teheran behind ayatollahs in anti-pope criticism.

--Patchouli 03:01, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Yet another example. First you say that you are convinced that many Iranians "puke" about mullahs, and you support this with a biased and unreliable site, holycrime.com, which cannot reliably gauge the opinion of Iranians in general. Please stop this nonsense, and try to work towards building a neutral article, thanks. The Behnam 03:09, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Also keep in mind all the wikipedia articles Patchouli refers to are ones he has created or has contributed to himself, again based on his opinions. These include Islamic totalitarianism, government-organized demonstrations, enemies of Islam, Chain Murders of Iran, etc etc. You get the picture. Check all those pages if you don't believe me. Patchouli is just some liar and hater that wants to turn wikipedia into a base to run his mouth.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 137.186.245.199 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Salary

What is the annual salary of Khamenei? Is it a state secret?
Any information on his net worth?

--Patchouli 03:15, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Unlike the pro-American and poor and innocent Rafsanjani, Khamenei and Ahmadinejad are rich and corrupt. That is why they oppose the west. In case of Ahmadinjad he is so rich that he has an antique car from the ancient times. Happy? :D ---Gerash77 02:46, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong if his income is $1,000,000/year; after all, he is the head of state. Every head of state has high salary in addition to the entourage and perquisites . I wanted to figure out if there is transparency.--Patchouli 02:58, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

No one in politics earn money directly from salaries, but through "donations (bribe)". I know his nickname is "geda ali" - the miserable ali; comparing that with the nicknames Akbar Shah, and Sultan of Khorasan gives you a fairly good estimate of the net worth.--Gerash77 04:11, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Payments to mullahs

Do the mullahs in Qom and elsewhere who are outside of government receive stipends?--Patchouli 03:22, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Target U.S. interests if attacked

Iran says it will target U.S. interests if attacked 8 February 2007
Tehran warns US against attacks 8 February 2007
Iran Warns U.S. It Will Retaliate if Hit 8 February 2007
Ayatollah: even Bush can be brought to his senses 8 February 2007
The Middle East on a Collision Course (5): Iran Steps up Threats to Retaliate in the Event of an American Attack 9 February 2007

This is the latest statement from Khamenei.--Patchouli 01:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Same old, same old. You might want to think about adding those to Wikinews in the meantime. metaspheres 13:48, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Palestinian Jihad

August 19, 2005: "The Palestinian nation and the Jihadi groups of Palestine should know that negotiations did not liberate Gaza, and will never liberate anywhere.”

Khamenei is a supporter of jihad. It should be added to the article.--Patchouli 15:14, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Which Muslim cleric is not a supporter of jihad? Please see Practices of the Religion. Please explain why "it should be added to the article". Agha Nader 00:38, 11 February 2007 (UTC)Agha Nader

One could make the same argument and thin out the Muhammad or Yusuf al-Qaradawi article. You can't say,"Well, cleric=jihadist; of course, why include it?" Because it has to be included and expanded upon with detail.--Patchouli 08:52, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Family Life and Children

I wish to add information to this section. The added information will be "Khamenei was born into a family of eight children. He is the second eldest son, and two of his brothers are also clerics. His younger brother, Hadi Khamenei, is a notable newspaper editor and cleric. Source: Robin Wright, The Last Great Revolution: Turmoil and Transformation in Iran, Alfred A. Knopf, 2000. Agha Nader 02:42, 10 February 2007 (UTC)Agha Nader

This proposed addition seems acceptable to me. Who else thinks it is acceptable? The Behnam 07:35, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Thats good.

Also change: He was among the first Islamic clerics not to outlaw stem cell research and therapeutic cloning. --> to allow. It looks like it has been changed many times before, but Patchouli reverted it back for obvious reasons, eventhough the source cites the fatwa as allow.

also Like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and other prominent figures of the Islamic Republic, he claims to lead a modest household. is wrong, many figures such as rafsanjani dont claim to lead a modest life. revert to original according to Gholam Ali Haddad-Adel, he leads a modest household. as the source stated.--Gerash77 09:58, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Done. No comments were made on Gerash's other two changes, but they seem reasonable enough. Proto::► 14:36, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

There are no report of the Islamic Republic funding stem cell research. I suspected "Iran's clerics and political leaders actively promote science" of yellow journalism in the area of stem cell research and cloning.

This is trivial and I won't change it.--Patchouli 19:50, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Removing a cited statement without even doing a google search, is called vandalism. Many Shia marjas even allow reproductive human cloning, and hopefully they will clone human soon, even with the Amero effort to ban it worldwide: [7]

Royana
http://www.royaninstitute.org/Dept.%20of%20Stem%20Cell/Introduction.htm
http://www.royanproteomics.ir/index.html --Gerash77 02:50, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. I am taken aback. TEHRAN -- The white-coated scientists at Tehran's Royan Institute labor beneath a framed portrait of the turbaned, bearded supreme leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran, the head of a state that enforces strict religious rules governing everything from how women dress to what kinds of parties people throw. On the one hand, there is the veil fetish and cranking out folks for martyrdom operations while, on the other hand, in 2002 Khamenei approved even the funding of stem cell research. --Patchouli 06:05, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

You learn new things everyday. Now, please discuss the article, not the subject. The Behnam 06:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cloning humans

Muslims have stated that human cloning is blasphemy.[8] Iran's Islamic clergy agree with this position. The Boston Globe article that corroborates this requires user registration.

This has a familiar ring. Ruhollah Khomeini said that sex re-assignment surgery is okay. Everyone thought he was progressive; people jumped on his Islamic bangwagon. Later, he effected the execution of homosexuals.--Patchouli 06:24, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Please discuss the article, not the subject. Thanks. The Behnam 06:32, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

This pertains to Khamenei's policy on cloning.--Patchouli 06:35, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

No its not. I said some Shia marjas, not all. Some like Sadeq Rohani. Khamenei is a conservative, and hence will be careful not to upset other religions.--Gerash77 06:40, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

None of this "familiar ring" stuff or anything else you said was pertinent, Patchouli. It seems like you were about to set up another POV OR, actually. Good think the article is locked to stop you. The Behnam 06:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Situation in Iraq

Iran's Top Leader Says U.S. Withdrawal Is the Solution to End Instability in Iraq.--Patchouli 01:47, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nuclear Weapons

Please add the following to the "Nuclear Weapons" section.

Ali Khamenei believes in the importance of nucler technology for civilian purposes because "oil and gas reserves cannot last forever."[9]

--Patchouli 04:46, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Iran says will not halt uranium enrichment.--Patchouli 09:54, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Done ♠PMC♠ 17:17, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Economic policies

He has recently called for boosting privatisation of economy several times. The following info needs to be added to the article:

In 2007 Ali Khamenei addressed the government and officials to speed up moves to cut the state's economic role in the latest bid to revive a struggling privatisation programme. Iran tried to shake up its lumbering economy in 2004 by overturning Article 44 of the constitution which decreed core infrastructure should remain state-run. But private business has shown little appetite to invest in privatisations since then. Khamenei also urged the Justice Ministry to set up courts to defend ownership rights to encourage private investment.[10][11][12]

Please some one add it. Thanks. Sangak 11:32, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I made it easier to identify the part you want added.--Patchouli 13:50, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Done. ♠PMC♠ 16:49, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

Is anywhere a picture of Khameini ? --134.147.73.237 20:32, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

There was a picture at one point. My guess is that it had fair use problems. There should be another added. The previous one was this one. But indeed, we should try to get it in there; he is a world leader after all! The Behnam 20:35, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I added 3 pictures and Grash77 added one, all of them under GFDL license. But there is a disagreement about best place for 2 of them.

I think It's more appropriate to put Image:Khamenei-60.jpg in Ali khamenei#Political life and Presidency and Image:Khamenei1.jpg in Ali khamenei#Supreme Leader (Velāyat-e faqih).Sa.vakilian(t-c)--03:11, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

The pic locations are ok now. obviously we can't have both relevancy and good appearance together.--Gerash 77 09:25, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

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