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Contents 1 Smiley Template 2 Iranian revolution 2.1 Latest in Iranian Revolution arrangement (organization) 2.2 Latest in Iranian Revolution 2.3 Latest in Iranian Revolution Timeline 3 Hayy ibn yakdhan 4 Anti-Akhound 5 Award 6 Salman 7 Neologism 8 Shia Islam 9 Terrorism in Iran 10 Userboxes 11 Battle of Thermopylae 12 From Izmaster 13 Images 14 Allah in Islam 15 Lewis quotation 16 Re:your note 17 Tabarian Calendar 18 Salam 19 Template:Sa.vakilian 20 RE:your message on my talkpage 21 Prayers 22 Please reconsider your vote to merge Human rights in pre-Saddam Iraq 23 Saddam 24 Please semi-protect the article 25 Why don't you answer 26 Vandal Patrolling 27 Happy Norouz 28 Salam 29 Re: Question 30 2007 incident 31 Garryglitter49 32 Opera (Internet suite) incident 33 Pictures from Sajed.ir 34 AutoWikiBrowser 35 AWB 36 An Order To Maalik al-Ashtar 37 Photos from Almanar 38 Independence in Iran 39 I spy... 40 Greater Khorasan 41 Al-Manar editing 42 Abdul Rahman (convert) 43 Maybe you could ask me rather than someone else 44 Congratulations 45 Al-Manar 46 Eurocentreism 47 Your message about Vital articles 48 Thank you 49 Vital articles and VA tagging 50 300 Edits 51 Your messages on my talk page 52 300 53 Mahdi merge proposal 54 Mahdi Revert 55 One more standing issue 56 let me put it this way 57 Request 58 Fatimah 59 Dispute resolution 60 Iranian Revolution 61 User:Sa.vakilian/Some usable templates 62 Re: Tags 63 Vandalism 64 300 lead 65 MEK 66 Core topics, Vital articles, and the 1.0 project 67 Images 68 Shamkhani 69 Template:Iran-United Kingdom relations 70 Proposed Deletion Islamic Party Jamiat of Afghanistan 71 Criticism of Islam 72 Ali Khamenei

[edit] Smiley Template

After some thought I decided to create this smiley template, as I thought most of the arguments in the talk pages are due to misinterpretaion of what is being said, hopefully these smileys will help us (at least me !!) communicate in a much more friendly manner. Hope you all will like it.

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[edit] Iranian revolution

[edit] Latest in Iranian Revolution arrangement (organization)

See what you think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Iranian_Revolution#Slight_change_in_rearrangement Salam alaika --Leroy65X 18:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Latest in Iranian Revolution

see what you think of the new summarized, wikified ideology of the revolution [1]

Salam alaika --Leroy65X 23:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Wrote a big long reply [2] suggesting some changes. No, I'm not a student anymore. This is my hobby. I have a job working for "local government" How about you? Salam alaika --Leroy65X 16:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

New idea at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Iranian_Revolution#Reply_to_Slight_change_in_rearrangement --Leroy65X 16:39, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

At your service. (Unless I get busy) --Leroy65X 16:25, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, Have any counterproposal to my outline? --Leroy65X 16:35, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I finally wrote a reply. (Its busy where I am!)[3]

Reply [4], salam --Leroy65X 18:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm busy today but have added some dates to the timeline. Happy NoRooz --21:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Salam, Hope you had a good holiday. I was out of action yesterday but will try to do some work today. --Leroy65X 21:45, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Latest in Iranian Revolution Timeline

I shortened the "speeches" but I think we need them.Speeches

Also, any reply to [5] or [6] or [7] --Leroy65X 20:04, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Salam Sa.vakilian,

I'm back to work at the timeline. I'll try to get some footnoes in. --Leroy65X 19:50, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hayy ibn yakdhan

Alaykom alsalam, I just created the article yesterday; and I'm searching I found the article in the Arabic wikipedia now and it says that Ibn sina wrote the tale then Ibn Tufail. However, Ibn Tufail made his own version with different structure because the original tale did not match his ideas (قناعات) .And the last version was made by Ibn Alnafis with different ideas and different names which was Salih ibn Kamil. Please feel free to write in the article in order to expand it...thank you --Aziz1005 13:28, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Salam, regarding the rules I was new at that time, although I still disagree with most points (there are other users as well) and thanks for offering to help me. The other thing I don’t need help with Shia articles because I am shia and Shia articles are apparently fine here. Where as Arab articles are extremely vandalized and attention is not given to them. The main point here is to be fair with all cultures and not taking side by side. Anyway, we are all Muslims and brothers…thank you.--Aziz1005 22:06, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Thats great ...thanks--Aziz1005 17:51, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it's better for me to stay as I am now. We can have a special friendship so we can discuss problems together. Also because I won't contribute a lot here and you are busy in Real life (me to).My problem is not only with Rules its partly with language. Thanks again for offering to help me.--Aziz1005 14:09, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anti-Akhound

Anti-clerics needs to be expanded by adding some clear examples. please help when you have time. Sina Kardar 16:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes! It looks like neologism. I was not sure though. That's why I requested you and others to come and expand it. Take care. Sina Kardar 20:13, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

There is Anti-clericalism in Christianity. Anti-cleric, Anti-clerical etc redirect there. I've just redirected Anti-clerics too. Sina Kardar 20:14, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

What are you talking about? And why did you remove the award? Embargo 16:22, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Award

{{ |The Islamic Crescent of Karbala' (awarded by Embargo.)}} Forgive me its appearance. Embargo 02:00, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Salman

Come on my brother, you don’t have to tell me that. The only reason I am at wikipedia is because of articles relating to Shi’ahs. Later Salman 23:03, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

God bless you too, but when did I personally attack you? Embargo 16:14, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Neologism

You show your enough understading about our culture, I am really sorry to visitng people who acctually have not enough information about something and consider themselves as scholar --Ali 11:06, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shia Islam

I took a look at it. Wow, lots of edits :) I agree with you that the article needs more edits but I think what it needs most is adding sources. For Shia POV, maybe a book from Seyyed Hossein Nasr helps. Cheers, --Aminz 03:23, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Terrorism in Iran

Hi, I responded on the talkpage - Talk:Terrorism in Iran. Regards, KazakhPol 17:33, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, hence I responded at length on Talk:Terrorism in Iran. KazakhPol 03:51, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

The accuracy of the information you added was never the issue. The grammar of the passages you added and the lack of citation, as I discussed on the talkpage, were why I reverted your edits. KazakhPol 03:58, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Userboxes

Actually, I am familiar enough with Wikipedia policy. Many users have userboxes expressing support for Israel, the United States, cats.. whatever. I have discussed my userbox with many admins and we have reached a consensus. Embargo 20:30, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Battle of Thermopylae

The tags you added were on the accounts which were traditionally given by Herodotus and accepted/repeated by modern historians (see P. Green - the Greco-Persian wars). The source is already provided at the bottom, and already overlinked to the article. There's no reason to link them on every single full stop. Also, please don't change the head, I think it provides a good summary of the event. Miskin 03:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I kinda said that the reference was already provided, but cited more globally. Miskin 03:34, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Please don't flood my Talk page with irrelevant stuff. Those edits are not mine, I don't make unreferenced claims. Check the diffs to find out who made those edits or verify them yourself. Miskin 03:52, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

And please restore the reference you moved to the aftermath section. It was fine in the head. Miskin 03:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] From Izmaster

I didn't know how to be adopted and put it on your page but then deleted it...sorry

[edit] Images

Salam Alaykum There were some images based on fair use like Image:Iran-chemical.JPG. I replaced some them with images which have been released under GFDL license. Should I put a tag to delete them.Template:Sa.vakilian--12:41, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Sa.vakilian. If the pictures such as Iran-chemical.jpg are under fair use than i see no need to delete them as they can be used later on when needed. You can replace them inside the article by using the ones GFDL license while preserving them for a future use in case that would be needed. Cheers. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up ®} 13:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

How can we find them again.Template:Sa.vakilian--13:12, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I have an account at the Commons. I will upload them them and put them in War Category:Iran-Iraq War. This way they would be easier to be found. Please give me the links to all the pictures you need to transfer to the Commons so i'd categorize them there. Cheers. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up ®} 13:20, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

These are the pictures:

• Image:Capture in Khorramshahr.jpg
• Image:Iran-iraq-war-gas-masks.JPG
• Image:Iran-chemical.JPG
• Image:Chemical weapon1.jpg
• Image:Iranian Resistance.jpg
• Image:Jang.jpg
• Image:Jang2.jpg
• Image:Khamenei in battlefield.jpg
• Image:Mersad.jpg

All of these pictures show Iranian POV. Can you find western or Iraqi POV. Template:Sa.vakilian--13:41, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll delete Iran-iraq-war-gas-masks.JPG as it has a printed note of the owner. The rest i'll transfer them to Commons as per above. I am not sure if i could get non-Iranian POV pics. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up ®} 13:50, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Done → Category:Iran-Iraq War. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up ®} 14:10, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Allah in Islam

Look at this page. It claims that the name of the creator of the Universe derives from a tree. Isn't it hilarious? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Al-Bargit (talk • contribs) 09:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Lewis quotation

Hi, can you tell me why you removed part of the Lewis quotation here? --Matt57 12:12, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

If you thought its a copyright violation, you could have mentioned in the edit summary. We can reword it and put it back. Could you do that? Thats better than deleting. Then it wont be a copyright issue. thanks for the link. --Matt57 12:31, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh I see now, you had just moved the text to the bottom. Sorry, my apologies. --Matt57 16:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:your note

Salam

I understand your point. My aim of writing this article was the following:

• I think we, Iranians, need to sit down and write an well written article about this issue. As long as the "problem" is not defined clearly, one can not solve it. I wrote this article, just to attract people like you. I want to come back after one year to see what happened to the article.

Honestly I am no expert on this issue and I don't support a single statement of the article personally. However I can clearly see that most Iranian thinkers don't understand it either. What shall we do then? We have to start from somewhere. Should we wait until an American neo-con initiate such an article? Who should write this article? people like Tabatabai? people like Doustdar? people like Soroush? people like Mesbah? people like Khatami? people like Yousef Sanei? people like Emad Afrough? people like Ahmad Sadri? Bernard Lewis? Jahanbegloo? Davari? Mohammad Arkoun?

I can only recommend you to rewrite the article. in Ashofteh bazare fekri dar iran baiad saman begireh va wikipedia jaie khoobi baraie tamrin kardan hast. My last point: az oxfordi ha bot nasaz! neveshteh haie oonha ham dar morede iran changi be del nemizaneh. man iek mah rooie in maghaleh kar kardam. agar 100 ta irani ie digeh har kodoom iek mah rooie in article kar konan, misheh iek maghaleie khoob. Sina Kardar 13:39, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

navvab safavi ba sheykh fazlollah fargh dasht. navvab dar jalasatee sherkat mikard ke dar oon falsafeie gharb bahs mishod. Darius Shayegan dar morede taseer paziri ie navvab az marxism motale'eh karde. agar doost dareed, "neo" ro hazf konid va bejaie fundamentalists va neo-fundamentalists begeed "group 1 fundamentalists" and "group 2 fundamentalists". Sina Kardar 21:07, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tabarian Calendar

Dorood, Thank you for your response, I recommend you reading this book, ISBN 964-360-455-1 which written in persian and is about iranian chronology, It also uses tabarian calendar to answering some scholars that iran has ancient culture and current persian calendar is not a heritage of arabs, since it's epoch is similar to hijra calendar, Anyway, There is an article in persian wp, i think it would be possible to translating the articles from another language? yeah? Please help me to reviewing it again and to helping writing about the culture of mazandarani people --Ali 22:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Man Arz kardam ke in ketab ro motale'a befarmayeed, I told you to reading this book, Of course you may find that i didn't mistakely used the term of tabarian, Zoroastrian calendar has been used during the sasanid priod till now, Please if you find the time, read the pp. 45 of this book, Taqvim tabari in farsi mishe tabarian calendar in english --Ali 04:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Salam

Salam, Thank you for your edits I really appreciate your contributions especially on the Islamic conquest of Persia Article--Aziz1005 22:35, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Sa.vakilian

Salam alaykum

I made this template and use it as my signature. But today an admin deleted it and I made it again. Is it against wikipedia policy?Template:Sa.vakilian--17:02, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Sa.vakilian. Yes, transclusion of templates is forbidden because signatures require extra processing and that would harm the server. You can just copy the same code you had on the template and paste it in My Preferences at the signature field. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up ®} 17:09, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

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Hello. I notice you have created this page. There are two problems with this. First, pages which are only of use to one user could be created as a user subpage, such as User:Sa.vakilian/MyNewPage. The Template: name space should not be used for personal things. Secondly, that page looks a lot like a signature template, and the policy at WP:SIG specifically prohibits signature templates. If you have any questions about templates, user pages, or signatures, feel free to leave me a message. Thanks. —dgies^t_c 17:11, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your warning. I made a new signature and corrected almost all of my wrong signature. God bless you.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 07:25, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE:your message on my talkpage

I closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/An English word.. belongs in Wiktionary, not here as it was a malformed nomination that was never correctly listed; and the article already survived and AfD per the other link you provided.--Isotope23 20:01, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Prayers

Sure. Just credit me. Bless you! Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 11:47, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please reconsider your vote to merge Human rights in pre-Saddam Iraq

Hi Sa.vakilian,

I've just put a lot of work into improving Human rights in pre-Saddam Iraq so that the article is not now anything like what it was when you voted to merge. I think it may meet your objections to it, so please take another look and see what you think. I'm still not satisfied with the article, but it has roughly the proper scope and many more reliable sources. I think what I've done shows that there's too much material out there to merge this article with anything else. Significant gaps remain and some subjects should have footnotes from more sources, but I think the article is several steps toward what it should be. Best, Noroton 23:00, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Saddam

I agree. Noroton 02:47, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't see your other statement. I agree about Saddam using WMDs. As far as disambiguation page versus a main page, that is more work than I'm willing to do, at least any time soon. I like the idea of being able to say on it that Saddam was by far the worst of a series of bad regimes, but beyond that political point, I'm not sure what the historical value is. I'm agnostic on that. I just want to make sure that this information is preserved. I'm also not sure how long this pre-Saddam article is going to be, although I know it's eventually going to be longer, so no matter what happens, I think this article is necessary. Noroton 02:56, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm still thinking about this. One positive thing about a main article is that it would allow sections on various ethnic groups over the years, and many of the violations of human rights in Iraq followed ethnic patterns. Noroton 03:01, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please semi-protect the article

Salam. Do see the history of the article.[8]--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 10:24, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I am watching it. I'll semi-protect it if vandalism persists. Thanks. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up ®} 10:27, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

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Hi there. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I've requested semi-protection for the page now. Now just waiting on approval from a Wikipedia admin.

In future, you can do this yourself at this page: Wikipedia:Requests for page protection :)

Chrisch 10:28, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why don't you answer

Salam. Kayfa anta ya akhi I sent some mails for you , but you don't answer me?--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 10:26, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I am so sorry about that. I've been receiving tons of emails sa. I promise i'll answer you later today. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up ®} 10:30, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandal Patrolling

Dear Sa.vakilian, Greetings, we were trying to revert the same vandalism page at Ultimate fate of the universe at the same time, it seems you win and I was checking who was it while I got an edit conflict page. Best wishes, --Cyril Thomas 14:41, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Happy Norouz

Salam, ba tashakor. Norouz bar shoma. How can I help? Khorshid 11:59, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't really spend much time on Persian Wikipedia anymore, same here because of time, so I don't know much about Wikiprojects. I did start this article though which needs work: Secularism in Iran if you are interested in that. Khorshid 08:43, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Salam

Hello, Sa.vakilian. Thank you very much for your helpful message. I will read through the links you have sent me. I hope I messaged your correctly.

That's a very good suggestion. But I think we should only provide a summary in the Islam article. The details can go to other articles. Cheers, --Aminz 02:23, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Question

It looks like the first one is resolved as a redirect but the nominator also included Arabic place of Sajdah in the AfD. Were you intending on redirecting that as well? If so it can be closed as a speedy redirect, which non-admins can do. VegaDark 08:00, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, I think it is ok leaving it open and letting it run its course under that name. The redirect looks good and I think any editors that participate in the AfD will notice that the redirect is resolved but the other one isn't. You may want to leave a note saying that you redirected only the first but that the second is still up for discussion, to clarify to other editors. You could also ask Kingboyk what he thinks, he might be willing to withdraw that nom and renominate just the second one. VegaDark 08:15, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, I've added Arabic place of Sajdah in the AfD title that will show up on the main AfD page so it will be noticed. I hope that addresses your concerns. VegaDark 08:20, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 2007 incident

Hello. Could you please insert a dispute tag here: [9] John Smith's and I have a disagreement about that section, but he reverted the dispute tag I put there. We could really use a third opinion regarding our debate. Please see here: [10] Thank you.Azerbaijani 02:49, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

There were two articles initially cited as a source, both by the associated press. John Smith's picked the quote which had the most negative connotation in it, rather than the more neutral one. This was his selective quoting. If you read the argument, he cites his own POV as to why his version should be used rather than the more neutral one.Azerbaijani 03:31, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Done.Azerbaijani 04:06, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Garryglitter49

No he is a blatant vandal. See [11]. The Behnam 04:48, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

The guy is blocked for persistent vandalism. I don't think the project is at any loss. The Behnam 04:52, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. I usually give out a welcome if they seem to be editing in good faith even if it isn't perfect. For bad faith editing the warnings should educate them well enough. If they do more malicious editing after the warnings there is no point in playing nice with them. Thanks for being watchful of my actions, anyway. The Behnam 04:58, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Opera (Internet suite) incident

You haven't covered all your tracks.

[edit] Pictures from Sajed.ir

Hi Sa.Vakilian,

I noticed that you uploaded a bunch of pictures from that website, the great news is that they are GFDL licensed. I wanted to ask you if you could upload them on commons so they can be used on other wikis too (since you know what are the images you uploaded from that site). Thanks a lot. Fabienkhan | talk page 11:12, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Salam, Sale khubi dashte bashi. Yes, I'm the guy who you asked a picture for Henry Corbin (unfortunately, I never got an answer from the website i asked the permission for the pictures). Thanks for the uploading ! Fabienkhan | talk page 14:24, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AutoWikiBrowser

Hi, Thanks for approving me. Can I asked my questions about AWB if I had any problem with it.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 02:26, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Sure, you can ask me, but you'd probably be better of asking at WT:AWB. You'll get a wider view and most likely a faster response there. —METS501 (talk) 02:32, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I downloaded it but when I click on the icon of AutoWikiBrowser encounter with The application failed to initialize properly (0xc0000135). --Sa.vakilian(t-c) 02:38, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I downloaded it from another mirror but problem hasn't been solved.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 02:44, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

FAQ #1 :-) —METS501 (talk) 02:48, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AWB

You need to download and install .NET Framework 2.0 in order to get AWB working. MaxSem 05:49, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] An Order To Maalik al-Ashtar

All good advice: justice, courage, kindness, compassion, love, forgiveness, humility. Then this caught my eye:

".... Therefore, make your mind the source and fountain-head of good thoughts, good intentions and good deeds."

That's Zorastrian right? And yet, did Ali ibn Abi Talib ever even set foot in Iran? Interesting. --Leroy65X 18:45, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Photos from Almanar

Sorry man, I'm afraid I don't know anything about image copyright rules. Sorry I can't help more. — George Saliba ^[talk] 09:29, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Independence in Iran

Salam. How are you?(Hale shome chetore?) One thing which you may underestimate because of living in the country which has never been invaded is military achievement of Islamic revolution. It's too important for Iran as a country with great and glorify history and vast foreign threats to have strong forces in the country which has been conquered numerous times by foreign invaders and lost important parts of its territory after 1800. People may accept lack of liberty by they can't bear defeat against invaders. Although Shah's army was the 5th army of the world but it was dependent to U.S. weapons and consultants and fight for the U.S. interests. Thus it hasn't legitimacy in Iran.

Independence is one of the most important goal of revolution as people wanted in their slogans. Initially it doesn't have military meaning but the situation of Iran made it necessary. Then Iraq's invasion urged Iranians to improved their techniques and tactics of fighting. On the basis of Islamic ideology which makes martyrdom as a reasonable goal and by using weapons of the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. Islamic republic could develop its own military forces. Iran could defend its territory for the first time after 1800 and even it could defeat invaders in some cases. Islamic republic establishes military industries and its forces with their own Islamic ideology and weapons become powerful. Because of using fragmented and distributed forces there isn't threat of coup while you can see coups in our neighbors like Pakistan and Turkey. Finally these weapons and tactics show their beneficiaries in Israel-Hezbollah conflicts.

Therefor it's one of key issues in legitimacy and performance of Islamic republic of Iran. Although military and police forces of Islamic republic are the most powerful organizations in Iran but they've been supported by public opinion and although liberals who live in Iran criticize some institutions like Guardian Council they have rarely criticized military and police forces. I think we should mention the issue in the section of achievements of Islamic revolution. --Sa.vakilian(t-c) 05:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Here's my polishing of what you wrote: --Leroy65X 23:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Salam. How are you?(Hale shome chetore?) One thing which you may underestimate because you live in a country which has never been invaded, is the military achievement of Islamic revolution. It's extremely important for Iran as a country with great and glorify history and vast foreign threats to have strong forces. Our country has been conquered numerous times by foreign invaders and lost important parts of its territory after 1800. People may accept lack of liberty by they can't bear defeat against invaders. Although Shah's army was the 5th largest army in the world, it was dependent on U.S. weapons and consultants and fought for the U.S. interests. Thus it didn't have legitimacy in Iran.

Independence is one of the most important goals of revolution as people expressed in the revolution's slogans. Initially it didn't have military meaning but the situation in Iran made it necessary. Then Iraq's invasion made Iranians improve their techniques and tactics of fighting. On the basis of Islamic ideology which makes martyrdom as a reasonable goal and by using weapons of the U.S. and the U.S.S.R., the Islamic republic could develop its own military forces. Iran could defend its territory for the first time after 1800 and even it could defeat invaders in some cases. Islamic republic established military industries and forces with their own Islamic ideology so weapons become powerful. Because of the fragmentation of forces there isn't a threat of coups while you can see coups in our neighbors like Pakistan and Turkey. Finally these weapons and tactics show their beneficiaries in Israel-Hezbollah conflicts.

Therefore it's one of key issues in legitimacy and performance of Islamic republic of Iran. Although military and police forces of Islamic republic are the most powerful organizations in Iran, they've been supported by public opinion and although liberals who live in Iran criticize some institutions like Guardian Council, they have rarely criticized the military and police forces. I think we should mention the issue in the section of achievements of Islamic revolution. --Sa.vakilian(t-c) 05:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Salam Sa.vakilian, hope you are doing well, I hope my polishing of your message helps. This is a very thought provoking little essay and I will try to do it justice with a reply. --Leroy65X 22:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

• Yes, I think you are right that people in America do not appreciate more basic things like "territorial integrity," the defense of their countries borders. Whether their country is "rich and strong" as the Chinese say. I'm told the Chinese had an alternative list of human rights that included "survival" of people and/or the state as a right, (something all to many people can relate to I fear.) Americans are "spoiled" in that way. A famous German statesman once said in regard to the geopolitical luck of the U.S., "God looks out for fools and the United States." How much longer that holds ... only God knows.
• I know Russia invaded and took parts of Iran in the 19th century.
• As a non-theocrat Westerner I know I look at things differently than theocrats. But I don't want my contributions to wikipedia to be Western POV. I want them to be fair and balanced, (as they say) pointing out the flaws of the Shah (wasting money on American military materiel, buying equipment that couldn't be operated without large numbers of foreign technicians living in Iran), and the successes of the IRI. --Leroy65X 22:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
• As an outsiders, Iran does not seems as vulnerable to vast foreign threats as many other countries. Not that it would ever (as you say) attack its own military. But Iran is a big country. It has, for example, three times the population and 4 times the area of neighbor Iraq. It has valuable wealth in its 10% of the world's proven oil reserves. It has an educated workforce and unlike most of its neighbors (Iraq for example) was a cohesive nation state.
• I know martyrdom as a technique of jihad as become very popular as a way of using the power of faith (if I really believe in Jannah I won't be afraid to die) to balance the military superiority of Western military technology. It was a great success as a way of expelling Israeli military from southern lebanon, and likely the U.S. from Iraq.
• My question, and not just my question I think, is was it used by the Islamic Revolution to expell Iraqi military from Iran? Or to try (unsucessfully) to overthrow Sadam? Looking at the Iran-Iraq war timeline Iran retook Khorramshahr by the end of May 1982 but the war went on for another 6 years.

I have to cut my reply short and I hope my reply has not been insensative. I agree protecting independence of iran should be listed as an achievement fo the revolution. --Leroy65X 23:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I spy...

NotSoFast3 (talk • contribs) seems to know an awful lot about editing for a beginner. Somehow seems familiar, especially the use of archaic-sounding English. I'll ask Khoikhoi about it too. The Behnam 05:25, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

The issue has been managed. The Behnam 06:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I am also seeking to manage to more minor User:Wiki2Go. The Behnam 08:11, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Greater Khorasan

Salam, The map only refers to the period of Abbasids, especially the 8th and 9th centuries. In this map, Khorasan is shown as an administrative division within the Abbasid caliphate. It may not show the entire regions of Khorasan. About Sabzevar, I think Damghan was the most western city in Khorasan. Just as an example, in Noorul-Ulum (the work of Abul-Hassan Kharaqani), Kharaqan (located in north of Shahrood) was called as a town in Khorasan. This point can be easily observed in the map that you presented. Damaghan is situated in the frontier of Khorasan (khorasan province in Abbasid caliphate) in the map. Ariana310 19:30, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Al-Manar editing

I'll try my best

[edit] Abdul Rahman (convert)

I recently made some edits to this article based on the issues you mentioned. Any further comments?--Sefringle 06:28, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Maybe you could ask me rather than someone else

If you have a problem with the way I conduct my edits, this is the first I am hearing of it. Had you done so, I would have explained that the post in question was an in-joke for those of us editors wading through the dozens of ridiculous POV edits that were showing up in the article. If you did not understand the reaction to the absurdity of a country essentially declaring war on a B-grade movie, then pershaps you need to revisit humor. At the very least, you could have done the adult thing and contacted me about your objections to the comment. I am not so unreasonable that I would not have considered removing it. Maybe file that away for future reference the next time you take exception to something i say, okay? Arcayne 07:22, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations

Good work getting Iranian revolution and Ruhollah Khomeini in Wikipedia:Vital articles! (I hope some of my writing in Iranian revolution helped a little.) --Leroy65X 15:22, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

What's my idea? Mainly that I don't have time to get involved! Yes, I agree the list shouldn't be eurocentric, it should be culturally balanced. (Sure call me Leroy) --Leroy65X 15:47, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Al-Manar

I have started work on fixing/updating the references. They have been neglected for a while, lots of dead URLs etc, but hopefully I will be done soon. mceder (u t c) 19:17, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eurocentreism

Ba doroud, I didn't get it clearly, What shall I do exactly? (pick two of Persian/Iranian contributions from the list?) Best wishes. Amir85 04:47, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Dude I don't know what to say, however I see in the list a lot of good potential candidates, so I'd say whatever you pick would definitely fit in. Amir85 00:46, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your message about Vital articles

Thanks much, I wasn't aware of that effort. While I'm getting my thoughts together, I copied your message to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism. I hope you don't mind. Cheers. ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 09:36, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thanks for the barnstar. We need as much help on Wiki Central Asia as we can possibly think of. The project is in disarray. Your help is appreciated!cs 18:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Sure. How do you want me to help? ^Klak_Sonn^{Keep it to yourself} 18:46, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I can not read Persian. Tried and failed few years ago. I am a big fan of Kiorastami and Panahi though.

Assessment page. I am not wiki-literate enough to understand all these rank producing categories, tables etc. Thanks anyway, any help is appreciated. cs 18:54, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

I believe {WikiProject Central Asia} template has a problem. It does not produce empty rating lines. I might be wrong though. cs 19:51, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I see it works now. Your participation significantly improved two project areas, deletion sorting, and assessment. And duly noted. Best regards.cs 05:53, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vital articles and VA tagging

I think the two are pretty much the same. But from what I remember the VA tagging list is from an older list of vital articles, and isn't automatically updated. I noted that you proposed these additions first, and that's probably the best way to go. Exactly when the tagging list is updated is something I'm probably too new to be able to really address, though. User:Walkerma is much better experienced in these matters, and I think he's probably the one to contact regarding points like that. John Carter 19:49, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome to add this template to your userpage. A category has been created as well. ^Klak_Sonn^{Keep it to yourself} 03:46, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Of course not, I didn't even add it to my userpage. The template might meet some opposition, and I hope you would be able to assist me in resisting to it. ^Klak_Sonn^{Keep it to yourself} 04:07, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Then if you need any help in Hezbollah articles, let me know. ^Klak_Sonn^{Keep it to yourself} 05:07, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 300 Edits

As the Lead is still in Discussion, its seen as tendentious editing to edit in a change which hasn't met with consensus as of yet. I do think that your proposed lead statement is worth discussing, and maybe even implementing, so I've moved the proposed lead over to the Discussion page under a new header showing both the prior paragraph and your proposed changes. That way, the otehr editors can weigh in. This reduces edit warring and charges of pov-pushing in the article and in the Discussion area. I did not alter your edits one bit in transferring them over (wouldn't want to make a mistake as I did with the archive), and I wanted to point out that the term you substituted 'highly crystallized' should in fact be 'highly stylized' - unless you were moving in a different direction altogether. I also did not address the sentence fragment that the edit left behind. If it gets implemented, you might want to address that. Talk to you soon, -Arcayne 06:47, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Btw, that is an awesome consensus flow chart. Where did you get that? I hope you don't mind, but I've added that to my own Talk page - it's very nifty :) Arcayne 06:49, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your messages on my talk page

I appreciate your efforts, thinking you can resolve disputes by posting threatening comments in Persian on my talk page. However I just wanted to suggest that you stop taking it personally, if we can't resolve it, perhaps we can ask for a third opinion or other dispute resolutions. However meanwhile I would appreciate it if you refrained from automatically reverting my tags and edits, until we have a solution. Maybe Wikipedia:Assume good faith and Wikipedia:Resolving disputes would make a good read --Rayis 10:33, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 300

Hello, I notice you've placed a Wikipedia:POV check template on the article 300 (film). I feel it's inappropriate, and have opened a thread on talk here, where I would invite you to offer your justification for its use. Best, --Javits2000 11:06, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey, you said that you see two POV going on. I would be interested in hearing what you think the two POV are. You can reply to my Talk page if you wish. Arcayne 13:00, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mahdi merge proposal

Sa, let's wait until there have been more comments until the tag is removed. If people don't agree with the idea, then I can understand and support that, but let's give it a chance to develop consensus. Elijahmeeks 18:33, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mahdi Revert

(Also posted on my user page) You disagreed with every change that I made?? That seems rather heavy-handed, as I explained my position on the talk page. I'd prefer if we could figure this out, rather than just perform blanket reverts. Please revert the page back and make changes or explain to me with particular sections that you disagree with. Elijahmeeks 18:39, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] One more standing issue

sorry to bother you again :( But since you gave a hand...I was browsing through Central Asia categories. I noticed that when we rate articles now, it puts them on pages like [Category: Stub class Central Asia articles], (pages not created yet).. At the same time there are already [12] categories here with sortings like [Category:Stub class Central Asia-related articles]. How do we resolve this issue? thanks and best regards —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cs (talk • contribs) 20:17, 2 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] let me put it this way

check this page I rated Talk:Demographics_of_Kazakhstan. There are two red categories at the bottom of the page: These pages are uncreated. But we already have a Category:Start Class Central Asia-related articles which is under the Category:Central Asia articles by quality page where the rating should put the Demographics of Kazakhstan page. My rating did not put the page under the existing category page. Do you see what I mean. That is the case for stub, and other categories too. regards.cs 09:02, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request

Salaam. Is it possible for you to address Talk:Iran#Iranian Revolution? I think that you probably have information relevant to that matter. Thanks. The Behnam 00:31, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fatimah

Salaam. Can you help me with the Fatimah article? A user insists Fatimah had three other sisters and keeps asking for sources proving that it was Abu Bakr and Umar who killed her. Can you provide sources? See Talk:Fatimah#.22Unreferenced.22_Tag ^Klak_Sonn^Talk 01:49, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dispute resolution

Salam Tariq. How are you.

I have problem with a guy. Please read Talk:Timeline of Iranian revolution#January 7 (17th of Dey 19) 1978. I explained more this discussion in Persian :User talk:Rayis#Thmeline and this is his answer: User talk:Sa.vakilian#Your messages on my talk page. He claimed that I threated him but I just said I'll revert his tag whenever he put. Because it's not reasonable. However I'm ready for every Dispute resolution which you propose.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 14:09, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest using Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal. -- tariqabjotu 02:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Iranian Revolution

Salam. Thanks for letting me know. I have left a response there. BTW I don't think the article on Iranian Revolution should only use American sources. That is a huge mistake. American authors mostly have a flawed view of the revolution, and only focus on the Khomeini camp, when in fact Shariati was the most popular among the educated Islamists, and the nationalists being most popular among the middle-classes and the Communists among workers, especially in the north. The Khomeini cult was mostly popular among the rural folk of central Iran and the villages of Azarbaijan who were under clerical influence. Unfortunately I have no books on the revolution on hand at the moment. BTW, do you have information about Nasser Pourpirar? This guy is really something else. Khorshid 03:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:Sa.vakilian/Some usable templates

Hi, I noticed you have this page of templates User:Sa.vakilian/Some usable templates which is a good idea to have a resource of your frequently used templates, but by adding them to that page, it puts the page in categories. The reason I saw it was because I was clearing out the candidates for speedy deletion and your page was in there. If you want you can just link the template with the double square brackets or you could use {{tl|example template}}. That will appear as {{example template}} (obviously with a link to the template, not some blank page). Thanks for your time. James086^{Talk | Email} 09:29, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind, I did find sources, and many books including Nahj el Balagha narrate how Abu Bakr and Omar killed her. Also, all Shi'a scholars agree that Fatima was the Prophet's only daughter. Thanks anyway. ^Klak_Sonn^Talk 14:47, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Watch this [13] You're the first Shi'a I've encountered who doesn't know the story of Fatimah's death. ^Klak_Sonn^Talk 18:22, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Umar participated directly in the death of Fatimah, and acted on the orders of Abu Bakr. ^Klak_Sonn^Talk 18:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Tags

I actually don't know a whole lot about copyright stuff, sorry. Try asking Jkelly instead, I'm sure he would know the answer. Khoikhoi 19:07, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Salam. Kayfa anta ya akhi?

Unfortunately 1 or 2 guys vandalizes Hezbollah:[[14]]. What should we do?--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 02:49, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Salam sa.vakilian. I am fine, thanks :)

Wiki alf blocked indef the 2 vandals [15] [16]. If that happens again, just revert w/o caring about the 3RR. Remember, the three revert rule says don't revert any page more than three times within a period of 24 hours. This is understood not to include reverting cases of clear vandalism (as in this case). Also, always notify cases at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism for prompt action by admins. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up ®} 10:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 300 lead

Hello, in the past you've participated in the conversation about the lead of 300 (film. At present we've gathered six options from the past week's discussion. I wonder if you'ld mind having a look and weighing in as to which would be acceptable, and which preferable. Thanks, --Javits2000 12:54, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MEK

Salam Sa, Sorry, I haven't heard or read anything (I remember) about this person or his execution. Maybe some other editor does. --Leroy65X 14:27, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Core topics, Vital articles, and the 1.0 project

Hi, sorry I took a few days, I've been very busy. The 1.0 team needs to do several tasks in order to achieve the goal of producing good offline releases:

• Selecting articles for the next release version - currently Version 0.7. This is probably our main task, and you sign up as a member of the review team to do this. We will soon have a bot helping us.
• Maintaining a network of WikiProjects (and the related bot) that provides us with article assessments. Support and guide the projects in this work, in conjunction with WP:COUNCIL.
• Locating areas where our coverage is weak, and making sure we cover those areas in our releases (perhaps by helping with new WikiProjects, and article assessments).
• Producing a list (or lists) of "must have" articles we consider essential for all releases, and improving these up to A-Class.

Your question mainly relates to "must have" collections of articles - the last item on the list - so I'll focus my answer on that. The only such collection organized by the 1.0 team is the Core Topics collection. VAs and WP:CONCISE are autonomous pages set up by individuals - so anything you do at WP:VA will not affect anything else. These collections should really coalesce around specific pages, but there has been a little forking at times. There are basically three levels:

1. Core topics (top 150 or so) + Core topics supplement (another 200 or so)
2. Vital articles (top 1000 or so) + expanded Vital articles set (top 1000 + perhaps 500 more). It appears that Wikipedia:Core topics - 1,000 is some kind of fork of that, but that page is less active.
3. WP:CONCISE (top 10,000 or so).

The Core Topics collaboration is where people work together to improve one of the core topic articles. We have now managed to get most of the core topics past "Start-Class" to at least B, this has been very useful.

One problem we have had is that the person who was keeping the Core Topics pages organized has moved on to other things outside Wikipedia, and no one has been willing to take over her job since she left. I pretty much have my hands full with Version 0.5 and WP:WVWP, so I can't really do much, though I have been keeping the Collaboration going as this has been moderately active. The various Core Topics lists were all produced manually, and copied over into different formats. Probably what we need is to remove the manual lists and rely on the Bot lists. We already have all of the main Core list tagged, and these are read by the WP1.0 bot, though we are updating the template used for that.

I think we probably need to do the following in the next three months:

• Get all Core Topics, Core Topic Supplements, and perhaps Vital articles (short & long forms) using the bot, then use those lists for the Core topics at least.
• Get the above using the new template.
• Then delete the existing Core Topics manual lists and replace these with lists automatically generated by the bot - these would stay more up to date.
• Get someone to coordinate and maintain the Core Topics project.
• Produce a navigational template for the Core Topics project, including VA, CONCISE, etc. similar to the one I did for WVWP.

Maybe you'd be interested in working on this part of the project - the "must have" lists? Or, if you signed on for the review team, would you prefer to be reviewing articles for the next release? Please let me know. I hope I have clarified things for you, and not merely added to your confusion! The 1.0 project has many, many corners to it! Thanks for helping out, Walkerma 14:49, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Probably the best thing is to focus on that one issue for now. If you like it, maybe we can persuade you to coordinate WP:CORE for us? :) To change the VA list, you will have to negotiate with the main people who are active on the page, these have generally been User:dv82matt and User:Silence, and reach a consensus with them. Remember that everyone brings their own bias and opinion - for example, I think we should have about 150 countries listed at VA (partly as a way of making the list less Eurocentric), but Silence has vigorously argued for only 50 or less. Do you have lots of biographies, or concepts, or subject areas like Computer science? Where's the balance? You seem to include a lot of biographies, but dv82matt and myself have argued that we should limit these to make room for subjects and places. I would argue, for example, that if you want to include Avicenna you need to include Uzbekistan first.

If you scroll up the page, you can see my suggestion for determining notability with less bias, by using the number of interwiki links. Thus, if something is truly notable around the world, people in every language would have an article on it. (Uzbekistan has 87, Avicenna 39 - the latter is a pretty high interwiki score for a biography article). (Incidentally, I've seen Avicenna's statue in Bukhara, hence my choice). Sometimes our favourite person doesn't get a high rating - I think Belisarius deserves more fame, for example - but we just have to accept that our opinions aren't universally held. The interwiki links are relatively objective, I think. Good luck, Walkerma 15:39, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images

In re your question -- Image:Rumi concert nazeri.gif seems fine. The other three, Image:Higherself.jpg, Image:Rdance.jpg and Image:Tavern1.jpg need to make a Wikipedia:Fair use claim or be deleted, as we do not accpet "non-commercial" or "educational use only" content here. Jkelly 19:13, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shamkhani

Salam, do you have any information about Ali Shamkhani? The article was claiming that he was a Revolutionary Guards commander beginning in 1978??? That makes no sense since Islamic Republic only arrived after the breakout of war, dorost? Khorshid 01:39, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Iran-United Kingdom relations

Wow, just wanted to say, good job! :) --Rayis 16:00, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed Deletion Islamic Party Jamiat of Afghanistan

An article you created or have made significant contributions to is being considered for deletion. You may contribute to this discussion here.Edivorce 16:43, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism of Islam

Agha you want to see anti-Islamic bigotry --- have a look at Criticism of Islam. Any criticism of the article's bias and prejudice against Muslims is quickly tossed away (see Talk:Criticism of Islam). Compare this article with Antisemitism and Criticism of Judaism. Double standard or what? Its disgusting that Wikipedia is being used to promote this anti-Muslim hatred. Pat Robertson, Bat Ye'or, etc are bigots, yet they are labelled as "critics"! This is like labelling Adolf Hitler and David Duke as critics of Judaism. Khorshid 11:28, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ali Khamenei

Some guy keeps adding a very lengthy and non-neutral collection of testimonies from different religious people about Khamenei. What do you think should be done? The Behnam 16:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

He keeps adding this [17]. I got rid of it, but the guy re-added it, and now Agha Nader has removed it again. I don't think it is appropriate for the article, and Nader suspects that it may be plagiarized. The Behnam 18:24, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. The Behnam 18:39, 8 April 2007 (UTC)