User talk:Altermike

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[edit] Copyright issue with WestStart-CALSTART

Hello. Concerning your contribution, WestStart-CALSTART, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from either web sites or printed material. This article or image appears to be a direct copy from {{{url}}}. As a copyright violation, WestStart-CALSTART appears to qualify for speedy deletion under the speedy deletion criteria. WestStart-CALSTART has been tagged for deletion, and may have been deleted by the time you see this message. For text material, please consider rewriting the content and citing the source, provided that it is credible.

If you believe that the article or image is not a copyright violation, or if you have permission from the copyright holder to release the content freely under the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) then you should do one of the following:

• If you have permission from the author leave a message explaining the details at Talk:WestStart-CALSTART and send an email with the message to "permissions-en (at) wikimedia (dot) org". See Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission for instructions.
• If a note on the original website states that re-use is permitted under the GFDL or released into the public domain leave a note at Talk:WestStart-CALSTART with a link to where we can find that note.
• If you own the copyright to the material: send an e-mail from an address associated with the original publication to permissions-en(at)wikimedia(dot)org or a postal message to the Wikimedia Foundation permitting re-use under the GFDL, and note that you have done so on Talk:WestStart-CALSTART.

However, for text content, you may want to consider rewriting the content in your own words. Thank you, and please feel free to continue contributing to Wikipedia. Butseriouslyfolks 23:24, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

• One can use references from the own organization goals. What about if I would imagine other goals ?. Really it is not copyvio, but fidelity to the organization goals and words (change a word and the goal can be different). --Altermike 23:27, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

• • Text copied from other websites is not permitted at Wikipedia without permission from the author. Also,
    
    Welcome to Wikipedia. Please do not remove speedy deletion tags from articles that you have created yourself. If you do not believe the article deserves to be deleted, then please place {{hangon}} on the page (please do not remove any existing speedy deletion tag) and make your case on the article's talk page. Administrators will look at your reasoning before deciding what to do with the article. Thank you. --Butseriouslyfolks 23:33, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

• • • Can I copy a law text in a website ?. I have changed all the text. This is copyhysteria. --Altermike 23:35, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

• • • • Funny redirect, but I think your analogy is flawed. Laws have to be taken literally

• • • • • No necessarily . They can be taken literally

• • • • and word for word because people's conduct and rights are governed by them. An organization's goals are almost always susceptable to paraphrasing

• • • • • they are the organization laws. Paraphrasing can direct to adulteration of goals (although unintentional).
      • and nobody's going to jail because of it. Also, I don't believe it is necessary to cite an organization's mission statement verbatim, copying the organization's formatting, in order to create an encyclopedic article about the organization. --Butseriouslyfolks 07:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

• • • • • Adulteration (paraphrasing) is a bad done thing and can direct the reader to imagine a very different goals and mission than real one. In any case, the user can copy and comment them, if necessary (this is more honest, because the reader can clearly distinguish). --Altermike 07:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
          • Well maybe it would be more prudent then to give the reader a general flavor of what the organization does and provide an inline citation with a link to the actual goals on the organization's website. --Butseriouslyfolks 07:28, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
            • • For this I include the programs Carlstat executes and it was deleted (I created it on my own). The article could say "Carlstat is an environment organization california based with programs on:" Could you give an example of the Carlstart would have, of your own ? (for a positive contribution)--Altermike 07:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

• I think this would be a good start: "WestStart-CALSTART is a public interest group that uses various methods to encourage others to develop non-petroleum-based transportation." --Butseriouslyfolks 18:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

• • Created . It´s a small (stub) beginning. But can be a great article in the future, open to every body´s contribution. Thanks. --Altermike 21:29, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Telematics

Altermike, Thanks for your contributions to telematics.--Nowa 23:28, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Thaks to you also.--Altermike 23:30, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nano-stub

Hi - I see you have recently created a new stub type. As it states at Wikipedia:Stub, at the top of most stub categories, and in many other places on Wikipedia, it is recommended that new stub types are proposed prior to creation at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals, in order to check whether the new stub type is already covered by existing stub types, whether it is named according to stub naming guidelines, whether it reaches the standard threshold for creation of a new stub type, and whether it crosses existing stub type hierarchies. Your new stub type is currently listed at WP:WSS/D - please feel free to make any comments there as to any rationale for this stub type. And please, in future, consider proposing new stub types first! Grutness...wha? 22:30, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] HTML color name

Hi. "Direct name means that the color name can be used in Wikipedia without specifying the hex triplet." -- I don't understand your comment, so I thought I'd take it up right away as it sounds as if you might be about to add a new column, which could be a lot of work for you. Wikipedia articles aren't supposed to be about Wikipedia, so I don't follow what you mean. Notinasnaid 08:58, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

See Template:Shades of green in text. It is about HTML and Wikipedia (this is, about the colors in the web). --Altermike 09:35, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

So, do you mean you are going to list the colors which are valid HTML color names (which is probably about half of them)? I don't think Wikipedia should be mentioned, as Wikipedia isn't supposed to be about itself... In fact, I think this area is already well covered in web colors. Notinasnaid 09:38, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that is the right name for the article, thanks. But all the web colors are not included (i.e. Chartreuse) and one only can see the effect in the background, but not in the text (for this, see Template:Web color names for shades of green). One could improve the "HTML color names" in the "Web colors" article, to divide hexadecimal into two columns : background and tex. So, the user could see the color efect in the background and in the TEXT. Regards. --Altermike 10:26, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah, but chartreuse is not a standard web color. If it is supported by some browsers, the details could be added to Web colors, provided it is sourced and details the specific browsers. Please don't add new colors to the existing tables, as they should be complete listings of what is in the relevant standards. Notinasnaid 11:10, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree, one can add details about non-standard web color in the article.

An of colors in text and background (this is very important for the user, to see the color efect in the text, before use it):

--Altermike 11:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

This seems to be a good idea, but I'd recommend proposing it on Talk:Web colors. This is partly because it's going to take a lot of effort, and it's very disappointing to put a lot of effort into something, only to have it reverted because other editors don't agree. (I know this from experience).

By the way, is "direct name" a standard term? Notinasnaid 11:44, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

No, this is not a standard term. I am going to use the name informed by you (html color name). Thank you a lot. --Altermike 14:06, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Project pages

Hi there. I just wanted to let you know that editors should not add links to project pages for standard articles (that is, don't add links to Wikipedia: pages to articles). See the Maanual of Style for more info. Mindmatrix 15:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

OK. Consider include the link in the page, only if convenient. Regards. --Altermike 15:10, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] disambiguation

Please only creat disambig pages for articles that exist. You are making unnecessary pages. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 11:28, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Corrected. Thanks. --Altermike 11:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] PESWiki

I have nominated the redirect PESWiki for deletion. PrimeHunter 14:31, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Isn´t it about free energy ? --Altermike 18:35, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ethanol Fuel

Nice job on cleaning up the Ethanol fuel article. Its in bad shape and a lot of unsourced info gets added while sourced info gets deleted because people don't like its POV. Thanks for adding constructively! --Chuck Sirloin 14:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I think that way the article can be usefull for biobutanol article also. Regards. --Altermike 17:28, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Logo Issues

• I don't understand the aims of your Logo Wikia- but see you have displayed a lot of the material I posted on Wikipedia-- I take it as a real compliment-- Thanks.

That´s for sure. You can participate in the Wikia, if you want (released, as Wikipedia unde GFDL free document license).--Altermike 11:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

• There is a lot of work (as yet unpublished) on a definition of a 'standard' for Logo. This is a complex task, as it must first deal with 'boring' matters such as whether ~ (line continuation symbol) is recognised in after a ;comment symbol. But it consensus is being reached.
• Part of my aim is to gather together manuals and lit references of all the 170 versions of Logo-- this is barely started. I want to have this material so that 'we can learn from the past' 'don't reinvent the wheel' and have a solid base of literature when Logo is translated into further languages- OLPC style.

http://ccgi.frindsbury.force9.co.uk/greatlogoatlas/

• • Please use any of the data you find
  • I am not aware of any copyright issues-- so if you find a screen dump or diagram-- use CC attrib 2.5, I sign my attrib Clem Rutter, Rochester,Kent.
• Also of interest may be the Logo Files 600-650

http://www.rutter.uklinux.net/index2.php?Work:Teaching:Worksheet_Library

• • If you have any ideas for extra sheets- do share and I will edit them into the set.
• Your interest seems to be related to the robotic possibilities of Logo which sadly seems limited. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ClemRutter (talk • contribs) 10:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC).

If you want, you can create and edit the pages in Wikia about the above ideas. Logo Wikia is also your Wikia (one can include specially information about free Logo versions - in a similar way to DOS and FreeDOS- and the use in robotics -as RoboMind ). Regards. --Altermike 11:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the Domotics merger

Thank you for merging Domotics into Home Automation. Your effort is much appreciated! --Eptin 13:52, 6 April 2007 (UTC).

I really thought an unified article is better than two part ones. Thank you also for your support. --Altermike 13:56, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Microsoft Robotics Studio

I've noticed your recent edits to the Microsoft Robotics Studio entry. I don't feel that having a sub-section of "free" equivalents is really within the remit of this entry, indeed it could be thought to fly in the face of Wikipedia:NPOV if the article were to suggest that one product is better than another on the basis of a difference in licensing. I do think that it is entirely appropriate, indeed it makes the entry better, to have a See Also link to the Player Project entry. I also feel that given that I had made an edit to your contribution, and created an entry on the talk page, that before you effectively reverted my change, that this could have been discussed on the appropriate talk page pcr^talk 03:49, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Ansewered in the article talk page: it is relevant the good and bad thing of an article topic, for a NPOV. I.e. Esperanto, Biodiesel, Ethanol fuel and so on. One can do it in two ways. Include a criticism section or include a link to other robotics suites (the concurrency it is basic for full NPOV - i.e. see cars topics-). In any case, I think the MSRB is very short and would include more information about it --Altermike. 06:59, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] {{Wikia}}

I understand why you'd want to add the Image:Wikia.png logo, but its licensing is fair use, which means it should not be used in templates (showing the image in 70 articles doesn't exactly illustrate its purpose). Another problem is the logo ruins the alignment of pages that use it, e.g. Blade Runner. –Pomte 16:49, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Could we ask Wikia permission to use the Logo in templates that links to Wikia ?. I delete the logo from start-Wikia-end to advoid the problem. --Altermike 16:54, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea, but I found pages that might help: Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission, Wikipedia:Request for copyright assistance. Meanwhile, I'll try to merge {{Wikiapar}} and {{Wikiapar2}} into this template so one can do the job and they're not redundant to each other. –Pomte 17:06, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipediapar2 is used with a different pourpose. It´s easy to use and work. Wikipediapar hasn´t worked for me (see the page where one uses it). --Altermike 17:08, 8 April 2007 (UTC)