Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adam Ryland

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 16:09, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adam Ryland

Adam Ryland (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

In my own opinion does not liveup to qualitifications required for a entry Joepenny 01:12, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

• Comment According to his user page, The user who created this AfD is currently blocked indefinitely with a note that they are a suspected sock of User:JB196, who is blocked indefinitely due to sock-puppetry and making abusive/libelous edits. Editors: please hold AfD to additional scrutiny.

• Keep - games he's developed have received multiple reviews from independent game magazines, and since he is the source of the games he's functionally equivalent to their publisher. This is as good or better than the vast majority of other videogame developers already on Wikipedia; thus meets WP:CORP. Tarinth 01:44, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Then the games would be notable but he would not be notable independently of them. There are no independent sources in the article, and if you can't find any independent sources that talk about him rather than interview him, include him, etc. in an article about the game.
    • This strikes me as splitting hairs. Wikipedia has hundreds (thousands?) of articles on videogame developers, and ordinarily the article on the developer is regarded as more worthwhile than the games themselves. In a case like this, where the developer and the publisher are effectively the same, I think it argues strongly for inclusion. Tarinth 02:42, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
      • I doubt Wikipedia has that many articles on video game developers, but if their sources are as weak as for this one, then those articles do not belong on Wikipedia either. Saying that there exist other unencyclopedic articles does not mean that this unencyclopedic article should be kept. —Centrx→talk • 21:57, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Notable due to games created SirFozzie 01:54, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
• There are no independent sources in this article. If he is only notable in direct relation to the game, and if you can't find any independent sources that talk about him rather than interview him, etc. about the game, then a separate article is not warranted; any verifiable information belongs in the respective articles about the games. —Centrx→talk • 02:26, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete why dont we wait until adam becomes as interesting as the game itself? right now it just looks like a myspace page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jujucabana (talk • contribs) 02:49, 29 December 2006 (UTC).
  • Compare to the videogame developers listed in Category:Computer_and_video_game_companies ... Are you arguing in favor of removing all the companies in this category that are primarily known for the products they've developed? Tarinth 03:35, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. NN-bio that should be userfied. The Blue Lion 03:10, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

• You've got the jargon of WP, but may be missing the spirit. Have you been here long enough to judge the work of others? --Kevin Murray 03:57, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per SirFozzie P.B. Pilhet / Talk 03:46, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Assuming good faith on the part of Tarinth and SirFozzie (above) we have a creator of multiple intellectual properties where there have been independent and credible reviews of his work. This would meet notability guidelines if he was an author or an artist, why not as a game creator? --Kevin Murray 04:22, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
  • No it wouldn't. There need to be sources about him to warrant a separate article. —Centrx→talk • 08:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. Non-notable MiracleMat 06:52, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Kevin Murray. Notable game designer. VegaDark 10:24, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Many people have degrees and a job. Non-notable as per MiracleMat Springnuts 18:01, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. He seems to be a notable developer, judging from Tarinth's comments. I think some of the criticism for the article stemmed from its nonconformity to Wikipedia's style standards (e.g. "it just looks like a myspace page"). I went through and changed every "Adam" to "Ryland" and tightened the prose, although I'm afraid I know nothing about the topic itself and couldn't improve anything else. — DustinGC (talk | contribs) 21:23, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Extreme Warfare. Nothing about Ryland personally on Google News or in a LexisNexis search, so none of the info here can really be verified. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 14:33, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, notable. --Duke of Duchess Street 03:04, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Subject appears notable enough to have an article. Hello32020 00:58, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect to Extreme Warfare. He's lack any notability without creating that, so add a small part of this into the main article i'd say. --Wizardman 04:21, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.