Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barabus TKR

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Cbrown1023 01:54, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barabus TKR

Barabus TKR (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Non-notable vapormobile. Back in July, a company called Barabus Supercars Limited brought an automobile to the 2006 British International Motor Show. They claimed that the vehicle's twin-turbocharged V8 produced 1005 horsepower, making it the fastest car in the world, and would be available for less than half the price of the previous fastest car. They announced that they were taking orders and then promptly disappeared off the face of the earth; their home page went down in mid-August and there has been no news about them or the car since. Interiot did some interesting research and posted about it on the talk page. The whole thing appears to be either a hoax or a failed business venture, and not a notable one. TomTheHand 21:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

• It's pretty simple. WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not a crystal ball says "scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place". The car has never been certain to be released... it's a new unknown manufacturer, making unprecedented price and horsepower claims, and there's been no mainstream coverage of the car. What minimally reliable sources we have say that the car was scheduled to be released last month, yet in the the four months since that was written, the manufacturer's website has gone down and there's been no news since. If any reliable sources ever show up indicating the car is actually going to be released, then the article should be undeleted, but unless that happens, it's a guessing game. --Interiot 23:10, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. I agree it's probably more likely than not that Barabus TKR will never be released. Nonetheless, we should still have an article on it—it appeared at a notable motor show with some press coverage and was never seen again. That makes it a notable hoax/failure—notable enough, at least, to have an article for people who might turn to Wikipedia and ask, "Whatever happened to the Barabus TKR?" Philwelch 01:19, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
  • As you just said, we don't really know what happened to it. We may have a hunch, but there are no reliable sources that we can use to present any firm conclusions. (even saying "it was never heard from again" is just a little OR, since no RS's have repeated that, and if an RS ever did publish it, at least they'd call the company first to confirm. It's remotely possible that Barabus is quietly negotiating with rich middle-eastern buyers, or an auto magazine could have recently published some information and the people maintaining this article haven't run across it yet.)
  • Also, the article has always had a dearth of reliable sources, so I'm not sure how much there is to keep. I think WP:V supports trimming back some of the article. Would an acceptable alternative be to merge what's left to British International Motor Show? (the only clearly independently verified RS information pertains to the prototype's appearance at the motor show anyway, it's not clear whether any of the other information is verified, or whether it's just regurgitated information directly from Barabus) --Interiot 02:42, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
    • We could use Waybackmachine to source the website going offline. I wouldn't support a merge because this seems like a decently short article anyway. Even as is, it reflects the lack of evidence of anything pertaining to this car post-August. In short, Wikipedia is more informative, more useful, and just plain better with this article than it would be without. Philwelch 03:11, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Dionyseus 01:28, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
  • I would like to take this opportunity to point out that Dinoyseus has been wikistalking me. Philwelch 01:53, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Am I not allowed to participate in the AfD process? Dionyseus 02:03, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
      • You're following me around specifically. That's wikistalking. There are plenty of other AFDs for you to comment on. Philwelch 02:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Interiot. I don't think this car will enter production and there's not enough info to write an article that covers the subject properly. I think it was just a failed business venture that doesn't need an article. James086^{Talk | Contribs} 12:23, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
  • And how exactly does the article we have now *not* cover the subject properly? Philwelch 19:39, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.