Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Binhead

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The result was delete. Luna Santin 09:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Binhead

Binhead (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

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All 'references' are from user-edited sites. One relevant and one unreladed def on Urban Dictionary, a geocities web site, a few dozen hits in a you-tube search (all but two of which were uploaded by a user with the same username as one of the editors) and a livejournal community. Lots of google hits, but that's not surprising considering that the article says the inventors have been promoting the site game online for 'five or six years.' Wikipedia is not for things made up by a group of friends in Manchester one day. -- Vary | Talk 16:20, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Notification of this AFD has been posted to the binhead community blog on livejournal. -- Vary | Talk 17:03, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Binhead is a game that I'm pretty sure has been in exsistance for many years either as a drinking game or a smoking game (going by various names as mentioned in the article) We did not invent this game as with many drinking games (lots of which have wikipedia articles) the actual origin of the game is lost. I agree the article my contain serveral references to a specific groups of people in Manchester and London, however this is not suprising as they wrote the article. Ginjarium 17:42, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I am gathering some more references for the article now. I have already found many more references to Binhead, Drop the Dime and The Rizla Game from a variety of websites Ginjarium 18:07, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete and Salt WP:AUTO, WP:COI, WP:NFT, WP:V, WP:RS, WP:NOTE, WP:OWN, WP:NOT#IINFO, WP:OR etc. I honestly can't think of any reason to keep this. "They want to delete the Binhead article again" is particularly incriminating. -- IslaySolomon | talk 18:12, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete and Salt as per IslaySolomon Bwithh 19:52, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

• This isn't the first time that this article has been put up for deletion I don't deny that, the article was upheld then because it is a well known drinking/smoking game. To be honest I don't see the problem with letting the binhead livejournal community know about this discussion as they are people from all over the world who play binhead and can probably defend this article far better than I (also to let the original article writers know the article is being discussed). Anyway the community post has been made private as it bares no relavance to this duscussion other than informing the community. Ginjarium 19:08, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Ginjarium is referring to the prodding soon after the article was created, not a previous AFD discussion, so 'upheld' isn't entirely accurate. Prod tag was added by Rory096 here, seconded by Ohnoitsjamie here, and removed a few edits later by single purpose account Es0terika here. -- Vary | Talk 19:20, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

• Many of the reasons for not deleting this article are mentioned here. Ginjarium 19:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

• References

As I said I would I have done some quick google searchs and have found several more article on the web which support this article most of the stuff I found was irrelevant as it was mainly dicussions in obscure smoking forums. This is by no means a complete list but is just some of the sites that mention the game several of which are linked to the article writers and several which have no link to me or the LJ community members which wrote this article:

BINHEAD

Everything2.com http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=829962 Cannabis.com http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=54517 Spankmag http://spankmag.com/f/d.cfm/cc.62880/o_r.21/p.htm Wordweb http://wordweb.info/3/lookupframe.pl?BINHEAD Dooyoo http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/tobacco/rizla-blue-king-size/1022270/ Urban Dictionary http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=binhead Geocities http://www.geocities.com/playbinhead/ Livejournal http://community.livejournal.com/binhead/ Utube http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=search_videos&search_query=binhead&search_sort=&search_category=0&page=1 myspace http://groups.myspace.com/binhead

Drop The Dime

Webtender http://www.webtender.com/handbook/games/dropthedime.game webtender http://www.webtender.com/handbook/guide/sec-09.ghtml

Cups

Everything2 http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=cups

I'm still looking but these are just the few turned up by quick google searches. Cups is a name I hadn't heard the game called before but looking at the article it is the same thing under a different name. I've heard it called the rizla game in the past. Ginjarium 19:08, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per IslaySolomon, close this AfD early per WP:SNOW. The people (all SPA's, looks like) who want to keep this article can't even come up with single reliable source, so we already know where this is going. Tubezone 02:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete & Salt and please close as per Tubezone's request. SkierRMH,07:52, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete and padlock this puppy - no reliable sources, despite the sockpuppetry. "Binhead" appears most often in Yahoo and Google searches as a nickname for Osama bin Laden, mainly in political blogs and forums. B.Wind 04:28, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - no reliable sources available, and seem unlikely. -- Whpq 18:09, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Your arguments put forward for the deletion of this article, as you summarised are that wikipedia is not for things invented by a group of friends in manchester. I have to concure with you on that point. The issue I would like to raise is that it was not invented by a group of friends in manchetser. It was given a distictive name "binhead", and as stated in the article is known by many other names.

You feature a large number of drinking games on wikipedia, yet a quick search turns up no smoking games. Yet the third hit on google for a search on smmoking and games turns up:

http://www.amsterdamaged.net/forums/general-chat/1243-smoking-game.htm,

which to all intents and purposes is the game known as binhead.

Atherton2 21:31, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

• This last source is a chat/bulletin board, not a reliable source per WP:RS. This refers to a game called "cups" - "binhead," the title of the article in question, is nowhere to be found, even there. The number of reliable sources, either in the article (where they need to be shown) or in the AfD discussion above, remains at zero. B.Wind 20:09, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

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